Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

generally liked this episode but I wish they had started the flash-sideways plot at the point where Sayid finds Jin in the meat locker, since we didn't really learn much new from that plot, other than that Sun's dad was going to have Keamey kill Jin and (maybe) that Jin and Sun aren't married in alt-world (or did we already know that?)

However I find Jin and Sun a lot more palatable than Jack/Kate/Sawyer and the dude who plays Keamey is a lot of fun to watch.

However I find Jin and Sun a lot more palatable than Jack/Kate/Sawyer and the dude who plays Keamey is a lot of fun to watch.

This is true. Not a lot happened, but it was enjoyable enough.

the dude who plays Keamey is a lot of fun to watch

i found him way hotter in this ep than ever before

creepy

Funniest line of the night: the intentional Sawyer "Cause That Would be ridiculous" vs the unintentional Whidmore "It's time to see my package."

I mostly enjoyed the alt stuff this episode. The on island stuff was mostly boring and uninteresting to me, especially the stuff involving the Jack, Hurley, and Ilana group. I think that's been the pattern for me all season though. I Did enjoy Desmond and Sayid's wtf interaction.

But frankly this show has more or less been kind of a bore to me since the end of season 4, literally the moment after Ben moved the island, but if I'm grading on a curve, relative to what I've come to expect from this show, I liked this episode enough to call it a good episode.

this might've been the best Jin/Sun-centric episode ever for me, although i've never been a big fan. sweater scene was O_O though.

i'm liking the on-island stuff a lot more now that they're out of the paper mache temple.

maybe... on-island stuff STILL boils down to:

This week on LOST, [jacob/smocke/richard] tells the Losties to go here, or here, or maybe here, and some stuff happens.

I watched an s2 ep of breaking bad last night sometime after lost and was like damn lost really sucks now

inertia is the only thing making me watch the show

I wish Widmore wasn't such a dick to his son-in-law

You know you're living your life to the fullest when you watch a TV show because of inertia.

I know dude I know

maybe... on-island stuff STILL boils down to:

This week on LOST, [jacob/smocke/richard] tells the Losties to go here, or here, or maybe here, and some stuff happens.

fixed.

Desmond's their go-to "unstuck in time and space" guy, maybe he's jumping back and forth between realities like he did in The Constant.

Since Zoe's looking for the exotic matter pockets I'd imagine that they're going to toss Des in there so he can pop out in the alt, yeah

I didn't see this so much as a marking-time ep as just setting up the pieces for the shitstorm to come. Seems like MIB needs the candidates in one place to depart the island (more 'we all have to go back'/'it has to be all of you' stuff - why?), and everybody else is expendable (like say Kate once she gets Jack and Sawyer on the plane)

what's her face was the bank agent, but she had no accent, that was weird.

I think Flocke wants to get all of the candidates together so that he can kill them. Though apparently he can't do this directly himself because of what that weird little kid said? And once all of the candidates are dead, he can leave the island.

Last night's episode got me thinking that Keamy could have been one of this show's all time great villains, maybe not quite up there with Linus, but still up there. Which also got me thinking, who was season 5's villain? Radzinsky? lol. Either Ben or Whidmore or both I guess. Ultimately it turns out neither maybe.

I never would have thought that I would like the off-island stuff more than the on-island stuff until this season. And I guess thats because at this point only the off-island stuff has had forward moving plots, with characters I'm familiar with doing stuff that matters to them.

On island has been in this weird back-story filling, mystery answering mode for the bulk of two seasons now. And Ive come to realize that I never cared about the answers to any of these mysteries. If they had ended this show at the end of season 4, with the losties who wanted to get off the island getting off the island and those who didn't, staying with Locke and moving the island, I think that would've been perfect for me.

I don't necessarily mean I don't care about the answers to any mystery, but I really don't feel like I learned anything new about the dharma initiative, the french team, alpert's backstory, or anything else where I had pretty much already filled those gaps in my mind, only to have the show refill those gaps with official, canonical, unnecessary yet-not-very-compelling versions. The story of the black rock was a whole lot less interesting to me than what I had pieced together in my mind about it. Same is true of the dharma initiative, and probably other stuff I can't think of at the moment.

What's your mind-fanfiction version like? I thought the black rock was going to be an intergalactic slave ship.

Basically what they showed. Yet it was somehow less cool actually watching it. lol. In my imagination, Smokey did not immediately kill everyone except Alpert though, but that's neither here nor there really.

In the Alpert story, I'm amazed by all the things we DIDN'T learn. Who is Hanso? Was he trying to send the Black Rock to the island or did it just happen? Does he work for Jacob (it didn't seem like it). How did he get the captain's diary? If Hanso was working for Jacob in some way, why were there a bunch of other slaves on the ship? Were they selected to come to the island too? If not, why not just have a slave ship with only the captain and Alpert?

Instead, what we learn is: Alpert sold his life away to avoid jail, to a man he (and we) didn't meet, everyone he met died as soon as he got to the island ... basically, we only learned what we already knew, plus the specifics of how he personally got on the boat.

yeah thats otm.

Why would you think he was trying to send the ship to the island?

This show's going to leave a lot of stuff unanswered so it'll be as talked about as Twin Peaks in 15-20 years.

They could do with leaving more stuff unanswered, imo. The temple was another mystery that I didn't need explained.

x-posts: Not trying to ignore your question. I'm just otming the 2nd paragraph. "basically we only learned what we already knew..."

But wtf am i bitching about? I think I enjoyed most of last night MORE than most of you guys. Sorry, just an old talking about stuff on the internet habit.

Why would you think he was trying to send the ship to the island?

I don't know, but I am sure Jacob has some influence, either directly or indirectly. But fuck if we know what it was ... in probably the only episode there will ever be about the Black Rock!

jacob's full name is Jakob Hanso MacLeod of the clan MacLeod

Oh, I had Magnus Hanso all wrong. He was the captain of the ship, Whitfield was his second, and Hanso died in the crash on the island.

Not sure how Alvar Hanso got the captain's log, but I suppose Richard could have brought it back with him.

saving hanso stories for the comic book sequels

wtf with that Dancing W/The Stars bullshit, I wanted to rewatch last week's episode! fortunately I dl'ed a Spanish-subtitled one which was lots of fun.

geez that V countdown was annoying.

more mirrors in this ep, also those vozzek69 recaps continue to be awesome and enlightening. if the "nothing happened this time" folks would care to take a look... (note: long and geeky)

http://darkufo.blogspot.com/2010/03/things-i-noticed-package-by-vozzek69.html#more

Seriously anyone who thinks nothing happened in this episode is just not paying attention and moaning for the sake of moaning by now.

Just reading a summary of it is exhausting: Desmond is the package. *eyeroll at Matt DC*

Think this was the biggest indication yet that it's actually Widmore who was on the 'right' side throughout S3 and S4, and that he was trying to kill Ben because he knew what was going to happen. He must know something, he knows what's important about Desmond, which is why he went to such lengths to get him to the island twice, and possibly this is related to the Faraday/time stuff that's been ignored so far this season.

What did Zoe say she was? A geologist? A geophysicist? That's going to be a big deal. Probably born on the island as well.

Quite happy Sun has lost the ability to speak English because she can't really act in English, whereas she's a lot better in Korean. There was no indication she should speak English in the alt-timeline either, which might, if I was in stupid theorising mode, be an example of the alt-timeline bleeding through into this one, like Juliet's "let's go for coffee".

Seems to me like alt-Keamy is targeting the candidates, maybe? I can't remember what it was that would make him give a shit about Sayid. Maybe it was just a coincidence.

Pretty sure that Kate is really a candidate and maybe Jacob is dummying Smokey by crossing off her name and pretending she isn't. There's no way he's getting Hurley onside, anyway.

I hope alt-Sun is alright anyway. If only Jin could run into a surgeon who'd be able to save her.

(Actually I fear that 'nothing happened' is possibly apt given that Lost has now trashed the concept of 'significant things happening' to the extent that a major character being shot in the chest by the father of her unborn child doesn't feel like that big a deal)

they stole the shot-in-the-eye thing from DONNIE DARKO LOL

geez that V countdown was annoying.

Yeah, especially in that scene near the end where Sun is showing Jack what she's written, and the paper is right there in the bottom-right corner of the screen!

But does anyone even care what happens to alt-Sun? It's like Sayid at the beginning of this season: Kill him off or don't, I don't really care anymore.

But beyond that, I don't think there's really any suspense as to the outcome anyway. Just like there's no suspense as to whether Sun and Jin will eventually be reunited in the real timeline. They're just treading water with these characters until they do it already.

xposts

I wonder if they're stealing anything else from donnie darko.

Seems to me like alt-Keamy is targeting the candidates, maybe? I can't remember what it was that would make him give a shit about Sayid. Maybe it was just a coincidence.

Did you miss the whole episode where Keamy was extorting money from Sayid's brother and Sayid went to try and go "reason" with him because Nadia is married to his brother?

apparently!

Lol at Sun running into a tree.
Much as I like filling in backstory, I still think this season's pace is slowing down almost to a standstill and it feels like we're running out of episodes.

Oh yeah great to see Room 23 and Mikhail again.

Think this was the biggest indication yet that it's actually Widmore who was on the 'right' side throughout S3 and S4, and that he was trying to kill Ben because he knew what was going to happen.

I dunno, my feeling is that the Ben/Widmore feud was purely about who was in charge of the Others, and also based on Widmore's initial dismissal from the camp. Their hatred for each other goes way back and seems to be based on stupid feuds about who had a kid where.

I think it makes much more sense Widmore and Ben just hate each other than Widmore knowing Ben was going to be convinced by MIB to kill Jacob.

Fairly sure the Widmore/Ben thing and huge amounts of Widmore's past are just twists and turns and feints towards storylines they changed their mind about anyway.

EG why in the name of jesus would Widmore have planted the flight wreckage....to protect the candidates or something???

the alt is starting to feel like some sort of matrix style dreamworld at this point, like someone will peel back a palm tree and oh look it's the restaurant

DON'T TELL ME WHAT I CAN'T DODGE

Yeah I'd just forgotten the whole Sayid thing.

I think at this point filling in backstory is more important than what's actually happening on the island. It kinda feels like there isn't much to happen on the island now other than a big fight between the Smokey dudes and the Jacob/Richard/Widmore dudes.

Fairly sure the Widmore/Ben thing and huge amounts of Widmore's past are just twists and turns and feints towards storylines they changed their mind about anyway.

Yeah maybe, but they've brought Widmore back for a reason and they have ways to reconcile that I'm sure. In any case they've known where they were going since midway through S3 and the appearance of Jacob's cabin, and Widmore wasn't really a particularly big thing until then.

maybe widmore will tell us why that fucking bird said hurley's name

Have they really known where they were going since then? I don't have any faith in that. Or even if they have known where they're going they've gone loads of other places to make the show more exciting.

There are a lot of times now where Lost is a show of many dreary coincidences. I still really enjoy it but seeing Mikhail wasn't even a shock, just "oh right, there he is..."

Even Desmond was pretty obvious before it showed his face.

Yeah Desmond was totally obvious, the Richard backstory was totally obvious as well, but still strangely enjoyable to see. I know the rest of the viewing public isn't looking at it in the same way as this thread and others are, but it'd be nice to be totally wrong-footed in one episode. At the moment they seem to be trailing everything two or three episodes in advance.

The Mikhail/Keamy/Charlotte stuff just feels like the writers doing a lap of honour for all the actors. Like this episode would have felt more sinister had it just been random gangster dudes.