This is the thread in which we anticipate "Capote"

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I'm seeing this in an hour. Who's laying odds on I hate it?

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

haha -- speaking of quiet

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

Ooh. I really am excited for Forty Shades of Blue.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

I am curious whether Eric hates it.

Casuistry (Chris P), Monday, 24 October 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

I am too.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

Haha!

jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 24 October 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

I thought it was really good, BUT I thought the direction, esp. near the end unfortunately, had moments where it veered too close to over-obvious and where Hoffman responds by over-acting just a tad (like they both knew this was a "Oscar" performance and that they had to have these "serious" moments in order for the Academy to take notice.) Also has the misfortune of paling in comparison to the fantastic '67 film of In Cold Blood which was basically anti-obvious film at some of its best. But these are (relatively) minor quibbles. It's well worth seeing.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

I mean, obviously I'm not warm on this one, but it's not a warm film. It's sort of intriguing that it reflects Capote's misguided attempt at feigning journalistic neutrality.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

I agree that, next to each other, In Cold Blood is the better movie. Especially when you add in the Robert Blake murder drama.

The Milkmaid (of Human Kindness) (The Milkmaid), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

Yeah well that was the role Blake was born to play (even the resemblance is downright creepy.) It's to the guy in Capote's credit that he does a good enough job that it's not totally distracting that he isn't ROBERT BLAKE.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

I'm really happy Catherine Keener's being singled on ILX; her performance has been somewhat overlooked. Let me also say a word about Chris Cooper: a small, tense performance, especially in the scene in which he looks as if he wanted to belt Capote when the latter confesses that he doesn't care whether law enforcement catch the Cutter family killers.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 25 October 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

i thought this was really good! it had one of the best closing lines of any movie i've seen in a long time.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 6 November 2005 06:38 (twenty years ago)

"i love you capote!"

s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 6 November 2005 07:25 (twenty years ago)

I just saw In Cold Blood: crap. The music should have been a clue: atmospheric nonsense portending doom and destruction. It's a violation of Capote's tonal control.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 6 November 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

???!!? The soundtrack is great!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 6 November 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

Like I said, the music was inappropriate.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 6 November 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
i finally saw this (god it took a long time getting here)... and i really liked it. i thought it was actually pretty moving. psh was rad, as was c-keen. and chris cooper is always great.

i thought it really walked a thin line... sorry i'm going to have to think about this before i can articulate it well, but there was this balance between bleakness and warmth that i thought was very nice. the tone was controlled very well.

and only a few biopic-y moments ("this is going to change everything, truman!" "what was it called again? 'killing a mockingbird?'") to bug me

s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 8 December 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

two weeks pass...
I was discussing this movie with my non-film critic friend, in relation to the VV poll. We were both sort of skeptical of Catherine Keener's really really high placement on that poll. We were also wondering if we both might've liked the movie more with Divine in the lead role.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 26 December 2005 22:24 (twenty years ago)

three weeks pass...
keener was good but i wouldn't say she was great - her character was so gracious and forgiving that she didn't have an opportunity to express much range. it would've been interesting had the film alluded to the rumors of capote ghostwriting mockingbird but obv. that would've been a distraction.

i am not saying anything new here, but psh is really superb, isn't he? his performance transcends simple affectation - i like that hoffman portrayed him with the self-awareness of someone who knows he is being watched. there's scarcely a moment where he's in the presence of another person that he doesn't have a sort of performative affect about him -- such deep narcissism and untrustworthiness!

also, this:

i couldn't help thinking that philip seymour hoffman's vocal affectations reminded me of damon wayans.

is strangely otm!

mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 22 January 2006 14:51 (twenty years ago)

also, how weird is it that this is due out soon?

http://imdb.com/title/tt0420609/

mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 22 January 2006 14:52 (twenty years ago)

keener was good but i wouldn't say she was great - her character was so gracious and forgiving that she didn't have an opportunity to express much range.

I couldn't disagree more strongly. Look at the performance again, specifically her scenes with Hoffman. There isn't a moment when she isn't glaring skeptically, or tossing a bitter one-liner. In my review I called her the "best friend of our nightmares" cuz she quietly, without calling attention to herself, subverts his narcissism.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 22 January 2006 16:17 (twenty years ago)

Paunchy Stratego basically took the words out of my mouth.

The Brainwasher (Twilight), Sunday, 22 January 2006 19:12 (twenty years ago)

just as long as you don't let him put anything into it.

mark p (Mark P), Sunday, 22 January 2006 19:14 (twenty years ago)

This thread would be so great were it not for the stuff related to Capote.

Eric H. (Eric H.), Sunday, 22 January 2006 22:01 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...
I wasn't expecting this movie to be such crap.

Keener is fantastic in it. Hoffman did a fine job but Capote isn't a difficult character to "nail", you just need to have enough of a character actor in you. Even I can do a good Capote.

But the direction was hamfisted and the music was distractingly Lifetime Movie Of The Week. The pacing was completely off, perhaps because it was trying to shove in too much -- the movie lets you know that it was difficult for Capote to get info from the Kansans at first, but it certainly doesn't have time to make you feel that struggle or even give you a reason for wanting Capote to succeed in getting them to open up (if anything, I was rooting for the Kansans at that point, that they would fend off the obnoxious big city interlopers hoping to make a buck off their sadness). The movie is filled with these sorts of "so you see how this was exciting for them" explanations that didn't actually make me feel excited.

The only time it broke through was when Capote was anxious about them getting executed so he could finish his book, and that was because I knew that them getting executed would finish the movie, and I was ready for that to end.

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 19 March 2006 20:09 (twenty years ago)

Also,

Manipulative and warm: The scene where he gets the young girl to talk by telling her what an outsider he always felt like. He does it for his book, but it's not untrue and it doesn't feel the least bit contrived (a testament to Hoffman's acting as much as anything else). He's getting his way by telling the truth.

What he tells her is that people always judge him by how he behaves and think they know him, but really they don't peg him right at all, and that's why he feels like an outsider. But, of course, they peg him perfectly well -- he really is a self-centered homosexual, and he really isn't to be trusted, which is how he comes off and what puts people off. This is, I think, why Harper shoots him that look -- because he is telling the girl "oh I'm not this bizarre caricature freak that you think I am" but, in fact, yes he is. It is untrue. It's just as untrue as the porter being a big fan of his books or as the thought that he thinks the [police cheif]'s wife is the "queen of the prairies".

Casuistry (Chris P), Sunday, 19 March 2006 20:20 (twenty years ago)

not that good a film, good performances.

gear (gear), Sunday, 19 March 2006 22:36 (twenty years ago)

i thought exactly the same thing about that line, chris

horrendous editing - check
overdetermined underscoring ruining every moment hoffman isn't speaking - check
ludicrously underwritten part for keener - check
zero engagement w/townsfolk beyond pat stereotypes - check
beginner's acting class portrayal of the killer - check
100% bravura performance from hoffman - check
skin-crawling "the genius at work" montages - check

when some police dude (who? does he ever appear again?), upon his exit from the room, in response to capote's namedropping the the shop where he bought his scarf, tweaks the brim of his hat and says, "sears roebuck," i thought to myself, "now this is gonna get good" but it never did, really

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 31 March 2006 14:36 (twenty years ago)

actually i don't think the film has a single thing wrong with it in terms of competence in the acting and directing, but it's just such a by-the-numbers picture in terms of tone, music cues, and characterization that it came and went without leaving a mark. hoffman was good, clifton collins was good, keener was good, chris cooper played himself as well as he always does, the direction was nice enough, but i never felt like i was watching anything other than your average oscar bait/lead actor vanity project. and it was curiously unemotional, because the narrative never gained any power as it trudged along.

gear (gear), Friday, 31 March 2006 17:51 (twenty years ago)

aw i disagree about cooper playing "himself," i just think he's been pigeonholed. see matewan frinstance!

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:06 (twenty years ago)

i'm not saying he's bad, this was just the definitive "chris cooper" part!

gear (gear), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:21 (twenty years ago)

gear totally OTM

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:46 (twenty years ago)

"chris we think we need to put a slightly larger stick up your butt for this scene"

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:48 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I thought this was pretty boring, despite the good acting from Hoffman, Keener, and Cooper.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:50 (twenty years ago)

i think you guys have some totally good points but i really liked this movie nonetheless! and i normally hate biopicism! but still! i was touched!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:51 (twenty years ago)

Yeah but you have a thing for sensitive bad guys who get hanged.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:53 (twenty years ago)

slocki's favorite films include return to paradise and an occurrence at owl creek bridge

gear (gear), Friday, 31 March 2006 18:55 (twenty years ago)

The art direction and cinematography - everything filmed in carefully calibrated shades of drab - pretty much screamed "SERIOUS FILM". It seems like Hollywood can't resist turning anything to do with the death penalty into an excuse for agonizing, oh-the-humanity portentousness. We see people having fun in this movie - notably when Truman's regaling his buddies with jokes to which we only hear the punch lines, never the set-ups - but we aren't allowed to join them.

o. nate (onate), Friday, 31 March 2006 19:03 (twenty years ago)

I'd be a lot more impressed with it if I hadn't seen or read In Cold Blood. Nothing it added to that story was particularly involving or worthwhile. Competent film, but I really would have prefered a movie about the making of Beat The Devil.

Zwan (miccio), Friday, 31 March 2006 19:05 (twenty years ago)

It seems like Hollywood can't resist turning anything to do with the death penalty into an excuse for agonizing, oh-the-humanity portentousness.

True, but in this film it was supposed to be portentious and agonizing: Capote was himself was guilt-wracked and agonzing.

We see people having fun in this movie - notably when Truman's regaling his buddies with jokes to which we only hear the punch lines, never the set-ups - but we aren't allowed to join them.

Yeah, this is even more true, but again, I suspect it's Miller's intention to put the audience at a distance from Capote. A cuddly Truman would have been a horror.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 31 March 2006 19:05 (twenty years ago)

it's NOT a biopic, though! which is a curveball. i talked with my dad about this movie last night and it turns out we both had the same reaction: we thought it was gonna be about, y'know, CAPOTE, but then it turned out to be about capote writin a book, i.e. it was about the new york publishing industry in a certain era. which still coulda been interesting, cf. my above delight at the convergence of lad-di-da NYers and small-town Real Men -- SHURELY a front-burner topic in this red-state/blue-state age, if overdrawn -- but the movie just skated by it after a cursory, token nod -- we never get into the heads of anyone in kansas, and capote's "i'm like you" speech to the killer only underscored how little we learned about even capote's ambiguous relationship to this kind of milieu. the book is the hero, not capote, so the title of the movie sets up some expectations that remained, for me at least, unfulfilled

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 31 March 2006 19:15 (twenty years ago)

Anthony has a point, though. This movie's pace may have felt a lot brisker had Peter Lorre been alive to play the grouchy Irishman he played in Beat The Devil

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 31 March 2006 19:18 (twenty years ago)

i was never entirely sure why capote agonized over a guy he'd spent apparently two minutes talking to. not that i didn't believe it, but it was never conveyed.

gear (gear), Friday, 31 March 2006 19:29 (twenty years ago)

it's NOT a biopic, though! which is a curveball. i talked with my dad about this movie last night and it turns out we both had the same reaction: we thought it was gonna be about, y'know, CAPOTE, but then it turned out to be about capote writin a book,

that's one of the main things i liked about it! i hate "life of..." biopics!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 31 March 2006 19:41 (twenty years ago)

gear i actually DID like return to paradise!

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 31 March 2006 19:42 (twenty years ago)

me too! Joseph Ruben rocks!

(so does a pre-gut Vince Vaughan)

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Friday, 31 March 2006 19:45 (twenty years ago)

http://www.jms101.btinternet.co.uk/full_sets/gold/circular_bold_std/hanged.gif

gear (gear), Friday, 31 March 2006 19:46 (twenty years ago)

s1ocki OTM, a "life of" capote biopic would've been pretty boring. the "in cold blood" stuff was the most exciting thing that ever happened to him, and i think it was a GREAT idea to just focus on that instead of trying to cram in his childhood or the "alcoholic later years" or whatever. the only birth-to-death biopic i can think of that was actually good was "prick up your ears."

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Friday, 31 March 2006 21:15 (twenty years ago)

the "in cold blood" stuff was the most exciting thing that ever happened to him

And meeting Gore Vidal, thus instigating a lifetime of delicious, creative insults and one-liners.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 1 April 2006 01:43 (twenty years ago)

I think writing a script the day its shot with a bunch of drunken lunatics is way more exciting than interviewing folks in the bible belt.

[email protected], Saturday, 1 April 2006 02:22 (twenty years ago)


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