Katrina's POLITICAL aftermath (keep the political discussions HERE)

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i love the idea that there were billions of people on earth in noah's time.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:11 (twenty years ago)

http://www.commondreams.org/pressreleases/march99/030599c.htm

Rotgutt (Rotgutt), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

math is gay, you know.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:12 (twenty years ago)

Did anything come of those allegations?

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

diamond-mining operation in zaire? wtf?!?!?

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)

He's doing his part to help solidify the institute of marriage.

k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

Eh, fuck playing devil's advocate:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/7027/business.html

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

will someone please shoot Fred Phelps

gear (gear), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:21 (twenty years ago)

the "people to shoot" list is getting a little crowded...

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)

If only there was some sort of roving group of armed people who were willing to shoot everyone...

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)

there's no one I really want to see get assassinated, but that guy's got it coming in spades.

gear (gear), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:34 (twenty years ago)

"If only there was some sort of roving group of armed people who were willing to shoot everyone..."

ROFFLE

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)

Gear's last post just made me shake my head like Scooby-Doo before I realized that he probably didn't mean to imply what I thought he did.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

How many followers does Fred Phelps have? 19? Even Falwell treats Phelps like the plague. Why are we giving him attention? (rhetorical we, here)

donut gon' nut (donut), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:58 (twenty years ago)

Yeah Fred Phelps is a real-life strawman if there ever was one.

Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 1 September 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)

one of the articles said that his church is about 40 people, mostly relations.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 1 September 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

Bill O'Reilly coming out swinging for energy conservation, including "Gas-Free Sundays". Never thought I'd see that...

carson dial (carson dial), Thursday, 1 September 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)

Well, not to put a damper on any effort to promote conservation, especially from Mr. Falafel himself, but "gas-free days" don't really have a positive effect overall -- if so, it's trivial. People use up the same amount of gas except at more crowded pumps the other "non-gas-free" days.

donut gon' nut (donut), Thursday, 1 September 2005 23:09 (twenty years ago)

Oh, certainly - he did suggest more fuel-efficient cars and things as well. Although he's now saying many of the people that stayed behind did so because they wanted to loot the city. Fucker.

carson dial (carson dial), Thursday, 1 September 2005 23:14 (twenty years ago)

oh god please let this be the republicans' waterloo, give us a silver lining.

gear (gear), Thursday, 1 September 2005 23:18 (twenty years ago)

this is going to be the U.S. government's waterloo, I'm afraid, gear.

donut gon' nut (donut), Thursday, 1 September 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)

oh god please let this be the republicans' waterloo

knowing our fate is to be with them?

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 1 September 2005 23:46 (twenty years ago)

neither here nor there, but I'm watching cnn here and you'd think old nancy grace would give fucking aruba a break for one night

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Thursday, 1 September 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

fred phelps is definitely a strawman, and at this point so is peggy noonan -- unlike phelps, though, noonan also has access to the "wall street journal" opinion pages, and has written this bit of vileness.

key sentences here: "As for the tragic piggism that is taking place on the streets of New Orleans, it is not unbelievable but it is unforgivable, and I hope the looters are shot. "

disgusting.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 2 September 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)

(jonah goldberg is lucianne goldberg's spawn, and a total fucking white-fat-assed-ha-ha-i'm-a-geek-who-can-quote-the-simpsons tool. think the rude pundit's proposed law can be applied to pundits as well? we'd get rid of podhoretz, and a bunch of others ...)

xpost: peggy noonan is so batshit, it makes sense that she's on the wsj's op-ed roster. they only let you in if you've passed the crazy conservative test.

maura (maura), Friday, 2 September 2005 00:16 (twenty years ago)

west virginia is not a freakin' southern state!

No duh. It's almost heaven, jackasses.

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 2 September 2005 00:53 (twenty years ago)

*hugglez*

Jimmy Mod Loves Alan Canseco (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 2 September 2005 00:53 (twenty years ago)

Wow, CNN are seriously not pulling any punches. After this break, they're going to discuss the fact that the whole tragic outcome has been predicted for years, right down to the number of people who would have to/choose to stay behind rather than evacuate. I'm a little surprised to find the kind of plain speaking I associate with discussion boards being broadcast on MY TELLYVIZSHUN.

Laurel, Friday, 2 September 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

more & more conservative fuckheads are saying "shoot the looters"

re: Fox News only focusing on the looting; It's real easy to try to lessen the criticism on those who you're covering for if you continue to show the people in trouble as inhuman vandals. Why, they're animals! it's not so bad that our elected officials can't do shit to help! those people don't deserve it! we'd just be coddling them, and they'd never learn!

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)

i think Anderson Cooper will go all Kurtz before Interdictor does. check out his exchange with Sen. Mary Landrieu (D. - LA)

Anderson Cooper was so great just now on CNN. He laced into Sen. Mary Landrieu saying people who have witnessed the devastation don't want to hear politicans congratulating other politicians for how they've responded.

He was yelling, basically, "Don't you get it yet?" He mentioned seeing a woman's body on the ground being eaten by rats. Landrieu told Anderson she understood what he was saying and then thanked the President again.

and the comment:

I saw him too. He was so calling bullshit on the claim that officials "were doing all they can." He was fantastic. He interrupted Sen. Landrieu right in the middle of her atta-boys to virtually tell her "excuse me but you're all so full of shit. People are dying here and you're congratulating each other!?" It was fantastic!

vid is here, but as expected the servers there are overloaded.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 01:55 (twenty years ago)

"Wow, CNN are seriously not pulling any punches. After this break, they're going to discuss the fact that the whole tragic outcome has been predicted for years, right down to the number of people who would have to/choose to stay behind rather than evacuate. "

yeah I posted on the other thread that apparently they've calculated for awhile that it was around 112,000 HOUSEHOLDS, which is at least double that number of people...224,000 PEOPLE left behind after evacuation. and yet they weren't prepared with provisions...crazy

Thea (Thea), Friday, 2 September 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

Fox News only focusing on the looting; It's real easy to try to lessen the criticism on those who you're covering for if you continue to show the people in trouble as inhuman vandals. Why, they're animals! it's not so bad that our elected officials can't do shit to help! C'mon...do you really have such a dire view of society that it relies on leadership to set its morals? sounds like fascism! people are reposnible for themselves and their community. the same people that are attacking bush would otherwise be "grass roots" supporters! MInd the Gap!

paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 2 September 2005 02:06 (twenty years ago)

You know, I didn't think I could hate George W. Douche (clever wording, cheers) any more than I already did, but the last couple of days have been a real eye-opener. That feckless, complacent assboat should be in jail. Or, preferably, dropped from a helicopter onto the Superdome with prime steaks lashed to his worthless carcass.

retort pouch (retort pouch), Friday, 2 September 2005 02:10 (twenty years ago)

C'mon...do you really have such a dire view of society that it relies on leadership to set its morals? sounds like fascism!

what the fuck are you talking about? i'm saying that if the entire point of your news station existing is to blast RNC talking points 24/7, funny how convenient it is to tailor your coverage to how "disgraceful" those people in need are in an effort to deny any sympathy and thus lower the intensity of criticism.

will that actually happen? fuck, i dunno. will that stop them from trying? take a fucking guess.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

Dennis Hastert is such a fucking jackass.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5249797,00.html

Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 2 September 2005 02:17 (twenty years ago)

(an excerpt from josh marshall's note on the pat robertson thing -- also operation blessing was at no. 2 on that 'give cash' list until someone i guess complained and then the 'given cash' list was reorg'd alphabetically:)

Now, how legit is Operation Blessing? CharityNavigator.com, which rates charities, gives them four stars (their highest rating) across the board. They report giving fully 99.4% of their income to program expenses and trivial amounts to administration and fundraising.

On the other hand, Robertson has repeatedly been criticized for commingling his overseas charitable operations -- specifically, Operation Blessing -- with his personal for-profit ventures into precious metals and diamond extraction, particularly with some of your better-known human rights pariahs and genocidal dictators. Zaire's Mobutu with blood diamonds, Liberia's Charles Taylor with gold mines. He's well diversified.

So, on balance, you might say the picture is mixed.

maura (maura), Friday, 2 September 2005 02:20 (twenty years ago)

Wow, god bless Anderson Cooper.

I can't say I feel completely angry at Landrieu either - she's just handling it the way any politician would and the best she knows how, and she's probably pissed at the response too and can't say it. Nonetheless, AC said what everyone is thinking and it was about fucking time.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 2 September 2005 02:37 (twenty years ago)

C'mon...do you really have such a dire view of society that it relies on leadership to set its morals? sounds like fascism!
what the fuck are you talking about? i'm saying that if the entire point of your news station existing is to blast RNC talking points 24/7, funny how convenient it is to tailor your coverage to how "disgraceful" those people in need are in an effort to deny any sympathy and thus lower the intensity of criticism.

ILX in thinking that everyone else are hopless media dupes shockah!!!

paulhw (paulhw), Friday, 2 September 2005 02:42 (twenty years ago)

I don't want to say _nn C__lt_r three times in fear of spawning another violent episode on my part.. but she's been surprisingly mum in the press about this... thank fucking god.

donut gon' nut (donut), Friday, 2 September 2005 02:44 (twenty years ago)

xpost to self: I'm HOPING, at least, that Landrieu was sort of speaking in code, when she said emphatically "Anderson BELIEVE ME there will be a time and place ..." etc. etc. I really hope that meant "yes there's hell to pay, but we'll deal with it after everyone's safe."

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 2 September 2005 02:50 (twenty years ago)

ILX in thinking that everyone else are hopless media dupes shockah!!!

chill the strawman shit. that's the reason i typed

"will that actually happen? fuck, i dunno.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 02:55 (twenty years ago)

well, little miss cuntybrains is too busy casting aspersions on nyc firefighters to care about POOR BLACK PEOPLE, donut

maura (maura), Friday, 2 September 2005 02:56 (twenty years ago)

I haven't seen anything credible that suggests that global warming is a significant contributor to this disaster. It's not like it's the first category 4 hurricane ever, and most of the problems are caused by the geography of New Orleans.

I'm sure your research has been as extensive as your knowledge of the shady deals of Pat "Charity" Robertson. Most of the problems are actually caused by the unnatural changes in the geography in New Orleans.

And the theory is that global warming causes more frequent, and powerful, hurricanes, which has been the case for the last year.

But hey, fuck the scientists and the data, we need something...credible?


Garibaldianne (Garibaldianne), Friday, 2 September 2005 03:01 (twenty years ago)

but we can't trust scientists! everyone knows that they're secular warriors against people of faith!

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 2 September 2005 03:20 (twenty years ago)

Well, I heard two scientists on the Brian Lehrer show on WNYC (a very liberal show on NPR affiliate) say that there was not really a significant increase in hurricanes at this point due to global warming, and that in any case, this is a hurricane that could just as easily have happened a hundred years ago, but that both the geography AND the man-made alterations to the geography (dredging of wetlands, etc.) that you mention are the real problems.

I'm just trying to keep things factual here, and yes, I need something more credible to explain how exactly global warming caused this particular storm which was a normal hurricane in a normal hurricane season.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 2 September 2005 03:22 (twenty years ago)

And even if so, and believe me, I loathe Bush's environmental policy, but it's not like he singlehandedly caused global warming. This has been going on for decades and decades!

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 2 September 2005 03:23 (twenty years ago)

Mary Landrieu is going to have to do a lot of politicking to get exactly what Southeast Louisiana needs to fix all this. She's dealing with an executive branch that's dragging its feet and appears to not have a clue. The leader of one of the legislative branches has already said to hell with them, let them find a place to live somewhere else. Plus, she's an elected official who barely won her last election.

I don't think that she needs to be thanking the goddam president on national television, but if anyone was expecting her to get all apeshit on federal and state agencies, you may need to have more patience than Anderson Cooper did.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 2 September 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)

OTM

But I think Anderson Cooper was really railing against all politicians here, not just Landrieu.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 2 September 2005 03:32 (twenty years ago)

By extension, at least.

Hurting (Hurting), Friday, 2 September 2005 03:32 (twenty years ago)

Since my girlfriend who has a LexisNexis search key is asleep and very much not at work, does anyone who does have one want to look up perhaps the Senate Subcommittee on Finance, Interior and Related Agencies, Enviroment and Public Works, or Homeland Security and Government Affairs ever brought it up?

Hell, I'd be surprised if someone in the House didn't lobby for this at some point over the last 2 years. Any idea as to whether or not that can be found?

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Friday, 2 September 2005 03:38 (twenty years ago)


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