A new 30 Rock thread because I can't find the old one

NBC does own dickviews.com (registered on January 25th) but there's no website there.

this episode was only okay -- first episode ever written by a P4ul4 P3ll right?

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thank you

Who knew that Sexy Kenneth Dancing was missing from my life?

http://tigerbeatdown.com/?p=972

i'm not sure if anyone wants to discuss the feminism of liz lemon on our 30 rock joke thread, but w/e i have nothing else to do -- anyway

The character of Liz Lemon is played by beautiful, successful, smart, funny, apparently happy person Tina Fey, and is meant to be unattractive, only semi-successful, smart, funny, and unhappy. It’s interesting that “smart” and “funny” get to stay in the picture, as long as the looks, the success, and the happiness are toned down; it tells you something about who you’re allowed to like.

maybe i'm misreading this, but this is fundamentally misunderstanding the character of liz lemon? the character is obv (generally) based on tina fey's time as head writer of snl, & "smart" and "funny" get to stay in the picture because those are constant intrinsic characteristics of tina fey. "the looks, the success and the happiness" are toned down because presumably those things were less present when fey was a workaholic head writer who (we are led to believe) ate poorly, dressed poorly and didn't have time for men or friends because she her career was her number one priority. that's the tina fey we see, not the one who turned all of that stuff into being a sex symbol and a movie and tv star. they are, pretty much, different people, and one should be able to separate the two feys. & also i think we can like both feys!

also i think the whole crux of the article being "well, tina fey is pretty!!" again misses the point that the liz lemon character is a past tense portrayal of tina fey when she was a head writer who wore glasses and had brown hair and a prominent scar on her face. this type of person is not a sex symbol in entertainment (still), and yes, now tina fey herself is a sex symbol, but i don't see why it's so hard to believe that she was insecure about her own looks (despite her prettiness) when she was a head writer at snl, which is the tina fey that we see on 30 rock.

as for the rest of it, well i don't know enough about feminism to accurately parse it. but her characterization of liz lemon/tina fey is wrong.

Yeah that's pretty much what I thought when I was reading it.
Also, I don't really want my comedy shows to be nicely representative - re Cerie, if being dumb at your job makes a good comedy character then I'm happy with that (every character on the show is inept in some way). Also I knew a girl who was kind of exactly like that, just didn't bother at work because she didn't have to because all the guys fell over themselves to talk to her. It sounds like an unsurprising stereotype but it was actually pretty odd to see day to day in real life.

where the hell has cerie been recently, or am i forgetting that she died or something?

She married an heir to the Xerox family fortune.

who the hell even are you people that you give a fuck about 'Cerie'. she's had what like 4 funny lines in the history of the show?

eh she's a character, however insignificant, on my favorite show. and she's hot

This is a lot of retrospective rationalizing about why they don't think the show is funny anymore (that's my guess, TLDR).

cerie's funny. it's like pointing at the straight man in a routine and being all why is that guy even there he's totally boring. so much of the schlumpy liz lemon persona is predicated/illustrated on people drooling over cerie instead.

what is the liz lemony schlump persona predicated on?

my antisocial gravitation towards ilx; it's like my k-date, the personals section of the kraft foods website.

Also probably Tina Fey's pre-SNL years as a (slightly) more schlumpy improv comedian. She has mentioned how she deliberately changed her image once she came to NY to be more glamorous/conventially better looking. I do wonder how different the show would be now if Dratch was able to stay on vs. Krakowski. This video was linked in the comments to that post:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIvOUoYZhoU

Dratch is a terrible actor, ergo the show wouldn't be anywhere near as good.

"Everyone around here is slender or Asian; I'm going to have to become more slender and/or Asian to fit in."

see, there's that Liz Lemon racial insensitivity for yas

wow short hair REALLY not a good look for her

WS Liz Lemon

lol the ducking--->swan transformation s for all time here

it was pretty bad that I was watching the first few secons of the video going "wow, she used to look and sound a lot like Rachel Dratch... OH WAIT A SECOND"

yeah me too!

she makes a terrible stripper in that clip fwiw

lol "Longhair" Adsit/Hornberger in video.

"this woman was a mouseketeer mam!"

from Tina Fey's interview in the current issue of Esquire: "The best doughnut? That's Peter Pan doughnuts in Brooklyn. It's a Polish bakery. We shot nearby once for 30 Rock. It's a white-cream-filled powdered doughnut. And I really believe, when I first tried it, if I had a penis, I would put it in this doughnut."

I bet she could've borrowed one

they have really good donuts, by the way

i love Peter Pan and love how old-school it is, especially the counter like all the old donut joints in NY used to have...but I have to say Donut Plant is where it's at.

Are you an ass-scientist? Because your ass blah blah blah you get the point.

http://www.salon.com/entertainment/tv/tina_fey/index.html?story=/mwt/broadsheet/2010/04/14/tina_fey_backlash

this article otm so far

Linking to Doyle's piece on Twitter, the feminist writer Amanda Marcotte added the disturbing ad feminam suggestion, "When I hear a married woman rant about the evils of sluts out there, I tend to wonder who her husband's been dicking."

uh

it must suck being a successful/talented woman, having all these feminists hating on you

"she cast longtime collaborator Rachel Dratch as Jenna Maroney and then had to replace her with buxom blond Jane Krakowski."

I <3 u j krak but buxom is pushing it. leggy, otoh...

good article

also major lols/headscratching that so many writers seem to think that a) TF has written ALL of EVERYTHING she has ever been in or that b) she has more than 50-60% say in what sketches she does and doesn't do on a sketch comedy show (with 20+ writers of various genders, upbringings, sexualities, philosophies and degrees of political acumen...)

for every fucking thing wrong with studio 60, the one killer thing that got me was when he fired the whole staff and wrote a 2 hr sketch comedy show alone every week. hi dere aaron sorkin, realism isnt a case of fukkin magnets, how do they work

dratch isn't funny (at least in ne thing i've seen her in). jenna kills it.

^^yeah this sort of ignores the feminist angle or whatever but is a crucial point

dratch not being funny is a feminist angle???

the fact that feminists can't wrap their heads around someone being conventionally good looking and v v good @ what they do is annoying to them

uh oh

those feminists, always unable to wrap their heads around someone being conventionally good looking and v v good @ what they do

Jerry: Oh good. Anyway, I wanted to talk to you about Dr. Whatley. I have a suspicion that he's converted to Judaism just for the jokes.

Father: And this offends you as a Jewish person.

Jerry: No, it offends me as a comedian. And it'll interest you that he's also telling Catholic jokes.

Rachel Dratch as Jenna Maroney and then had to replace her with buxom blond Jane Krakowski.

Ha! All this time I've been thinking Dratch was supposed to play the Fey part. Me and my stereotyping.

So, is there ever going to be another episode of this or what?

returns next week

"she cast longtime collaborator Rachel Dratch as Jenna Maroney and then had to replace her with buxom blond Jane Krakowski."

krakowski is so much funnier than dratch

for every fucking thing wrong with studio 60, the one killer thing that got me was when he fired the whole staff and wrote a 2 hr sketch comedy show alone every week. hi dere aaron sorkin, realism isnt a case of fukkin magnets, how do they work

LOL awesome