Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

richard's whole plight could have been avoided if he'd has some health care reform

I would like to point out that the priest who told Richard that he didn't have time for penance on earth and was going to be hanged the next day was an asshole.

He's the one who 'saved' him from the hanging, though! (OK he got paid for it, but still, good on ya, Padre)

It doesn't make sense for Richard to *actually* be immortal otherwise wouldn't Ben have sent him off to snatch Claire etc/do any dangerous task ever?

I think he kept himself apart from the Others to an extent -- "I'll advise you, but I won't govern you."

Ben must have thought as a candidate he was untouchable (hence going off to get tortured by Sayid, no worries).

it's not at all clear that Ben knew he was a candidate (or even that candidates existed)

Like I implied a ways above, I think Ben's whole shtick was that he pretended to know stuff for years and half the island "rules" he came up with have nothing to do with the real situation. He's just a manipulator.

It's clear Ben was wrong about how the rules worked (c.f. Alex also being untouchable) but he surely believed or was led to believe in at least some of them.

Player got played is waht i'm sayin.

Hurley reveals that she also said there is something else that Richard must do. He tells him that he has to stop the Man in Black from leaving the island because if he doesn't "We all go to hell."

Jacob told Richard that they aren't in hell, but I guess they are at risk of going to hell? I don't get it.

Yeah MIB was playing along with Richard's belief that he was actually in hell, so I don't think it actually is - or even if the island is hell, I guess Jacob/Isabella was warning about hell being unleashed on the rest of the world.

"we all go hell" = something really bad happens, in the language of a devout christian from the 19th century

Being stoned during that episode was a bad idea.

surprising number of Catholics die on this show to talk to Hurley.

Being stoned during that episode was an bad EPIC idea.

srsly jaw droppage

no gif of the gratuitious close-up of his guyliner?

So, unless he's actually crazy, Richard can't suddenly think again that the island is literally Hell, because he's been off it at least once, to visit child Locke?

when he says "all this" he's pointing with both hands out to the ocean, indicating the island Earth is Hell.

There's a lot that's fundamentally unanswered (If Richard is the first Other, why and how did he set up the rules for their society? When did it become okay to start ventures in the real world with Mittelos science and other factions all over the world? When and why did Jacob decide for himself to take a more active role personally, leave the island and attract more followers like Ilana and Bram who didn't seem to know Richard at all?) I'm actually pretty okay with this, since we don't necessarily need to know these details.

xp Ahh.

?Furthermore, Nhex, I'm not sure if I'm satisfied with the backstory of how he came to be immortal amounting to "I asked a guy to make me live forever, and he did", without any explanation of how Jacob has this power (presumably that will come in a future episode, though I wouldn't bet on it). At least the reasoning why he wanted to live forever was pretty sound, Thought it might turn out that MIB was his father, giving one more character even more lol daddy issues.

bravo! amazing episode :D

it was even a bit longer than normal right?

i'm absolutely cool with the egyptian gods / gateway to the underworld stuff as long as they can tie in the time-travel/alternate universe stuff in a satisfying way.

At least the reasoning why he wanted to live forever was pretty sound...

So I can't see my wife again... and I can't have my sins absolved... i dunno how 'bout "live forever" then?

He was well scared of El Diablo innit.

yes great episode. i also think it's a pretty fair guess that the ship we saw in "the incident" wasn't the black rock. no reason it should be really

It totally makes sense to a guy who believes he's ultimately going straight to hell when he dies (and also that fundamentally, he can't redeem himself out of it. LOST!).

The episode was overrun to 10:06 or so.

I don't think MIB will literally be Jacob's father, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out he's a generation older, or that Jacob replaced him in some way - seems to mirror the other major combatants in Ben/Widmore and Jack/Locke.

hey btw was that the dogen knife that MIB gave him? i though so but dont have the time to go screencap hunting to verify

MIB said something like Jacob stole his body -- so Jacob is MIB's original form?

i took it to mean that jacob was the reason he was bodiless, but idk maybe?

nhex agreed but it was lulzy

jj yes it was the dogen knife and the dogen pre-stabby pep talk

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Courtesy Slate:

"You still think you're in Hell?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqFBjOMA5wY

no reason it should be really

if other ships were brought to the island in fine weather without having to be destroyed, what happened to those ships? i guess we'll never know

well Jacob did say "they're all dead" when Ricardus asked him about other people who had come

I am very confused about this whole ship-or-wave-or-whatever-breaking-the-statue thing.

presumably Jacob didn't intend his house to break when he brought them to the island in a heavy storm. sorry this whole thing is just bugging me. i enjoyed the episode btw,

Could have been Smokey gave them an extra push in the statue's direction for spite's sake. (Though he's presumably not allowed to smash it directly)

LOL where's the MONEY, ricardus

how far beneath the sea did Jacob's special place have to be for the Black Rock to smack Tawaret upside the head?

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The Jacob as Smokey's jailer thing with the Island as the prison has been my thinking since the end of last series, so I'm kinda happy they went with that. The explanation of how the Black Rock ended up in the middle of the jungle didn't make any sense whatsoever though.

whoever said that the final episode would be jack and locke on the beach might be very OTM.

This would make me so happy. I can't imagine anything that would piss Jack off more than having to spend eternity babysitting Locke.

I like the sunken Island as smashed bottle idea as well, and the alt-timeline what happens with Smokey out and about in the world - they hinted at that when Smokey told Sayid he could get him back to Nadia.

The next big mythology ep will be the Ilana one, maybe? Either that or we're going to get a whole episode of Jacob and Smokey at the dawn of time.

Also dudes, they totally showed a wild boar feeding on a dead slave. That was kind of grim.

Kinda sad they killed Faraday off - I wonder what he'd make trying to scientifically explain all this shit. Trying to work out how Desmond might fit into it all as well.

Also this might be a stupid question but why did Jacob not just pick Richard as his successor?

At the time Jacob didn't need a successor, his primary goal it seems is just to piss off Smokey and prove him wrong. I'm guessing around 2004 when the time travel shenanigans started happening he figured out he wasn't going to last much longer... maybe as far back as Ben becoming the leader of the Others?

xp ha, it totally was. i was actually wondering if that was really a boar or just smokey being a total creep, but it was probably just the boar.

Also dudes, they totally showed a wild boar feeding on a dead slave. That was kind of grim.

Yeah, that gave me a bigger Deadwood flashback than Tolliver being there.

how far beneath the sea did Jacob's special place have to be for the Black Rock to smack Tawaret upside the head?

Yeah, that was absurd. I was pretty surprised that the explanation for the Rock to be in the middle of the jungle was skyscraper-high wave. Maybe Jacob screwed up his summoning mojo and ended up summoning half the Atlantic along with that ship.

Looking like the Jacob and MIB we saw in this ep are 'younger' versions of themselves. I think the scene at the opening of the S5 finale is after the whole thing with the Black Rock. Though it is confusing to the audience to have two ships.

So there's the idea that MIB and Jacob are prisoner and jailer, and the idea that Jacob's got some point to prove. MIB is more invested in the idea of just getting the hell out even if he has to annihilate the island and everybody on it to do it. So why does Jacob feel it's necessary to prove some moral point to MIB, since it doesn't really have any impact on MIB's having to be jailed? And isn't the implication that if MIB capitulated to Jacob's argument, he'd be redeemed in Jacob's eyes and therefore worthy of being released?

it is confusing to the audience to have two ships

planes were not invented yet

i am confused as to why mib's instructions to ricardo to kill jacob were the same as dogen's (jacob's mouthpiece) instructions to sayid to kill locke - maybe mib and jacob are 2 sides of same person like the good and evil angels sitting on your shoulder. maybe they both have to be killed w/ no one taking their places to set everyone on the island free and let them live their lives. i don't trust that jacob is really "good". how do we know it's not just smokey manifesting himself as the island's guardian to get what he wants?

"I think the scene at the opening of the S5 finale is after the whole thing with the Black Rock."

you're saying jacob rebuilt the statue and then it somehow got smashed all over again?

doesnt mib say something like "he took my body" at some point