Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

let's wait and see

didn't they basically introduce richard being ageless like two-three seasons ago? it's not really a new plot point

"Richard seemingly would've made a very good replacement for Jacob"

Richard doesn't seem to handle autonomy too well. (Neither does Jack et al but they're all getting better at it in three years while Richard had however long.)

They committed to Richard being ageless at some point in season 3 or 4 I think. They explicitly made him immortal last night.

so does a sunken island mean the wine has been spilled?

Permanently contained more like. I think in the alt this whole endless prison/jailers cycle has been stopped, by sinking the island and trapping MIB with no way to escape. Until some archeologists wonder why the hell there's this whole island civilization with a children's playground at the bottom of the sea. Dharma must have left some kind of paper trail.

If the last shot of "Lost" is Tolliver screaming in impotent rage underwater (set up similar to the very end of Sexy Beast), I will buy everybody who worked on that show a round of drinks.

No Ian McShane, no drinks!

richard's whole plight could have been avoided if he'd has some health care reform

I would like to point out that the priest who told Richard that he didn't have time for penance on earth and was going to be hanged the next day was an asshole.

He's the one who 'saved' him from the hanging, though! (OK he got paid for it, but still, good on ya, Padre)

It doesn't make sense for Richard to *actually* be immortal otherwise wouldn't Ben have sent him off to snatch Claire etc/do any dangerous task ever?

I think he kept himself apart from the Others to an extent -- "I'll advise you, but I won't govern you."

Ben must have thought as a candidate he was untouchable (hence going off to get tortured by Sayid, no worries).

it's not at all clear that Ben knew he was a candidate (or even that candidates existed)

Like I implied a ways above, I think Ben's whole shtick was that he pretended to know stuff for years and half the island "rules" he came up with have nothing to do with the real situation. He's just a manipulator.

It's clear Ben was wrong about how the rules worked (c.f. Alex also being untouchable) but he surely believed or was led to believe in at least some of them.

Player got played is waht i'm sayin.

Hurley reveals that she also said there is something else that Richard must do. He tells him that he has to stop the Man in Black from leaving the island because if he doesn't "We all go to hell."

Jacob told Richard that they aren't in hell, but I guess they are at risk of going to hell? I don't get it.

Yeah MIB was playing along with Richard's belief that he was actually in hell, so I don't think it actually is - or even if the island is hell, I guess Jacob/Isabella was warning about hell being unleashed on the rest of the world.

"we all go hell" = something really bad happens, in the language of a devout christian from the 19th century

Being stoned during that episode was a bad idea.

surprising number of Catholics die on this show to talk to Hurley.

Being stoned during that episode was an bad EPIC idea.

srsly jaw droppage

no gif of the gratuitious close-up of his guyliner?

So, unless he's actually crazy, Richard can't suddenly think again that the island is literally Hell, because he's been off it at least once, to visit child Locke?

when he says "all this" he's pointing with both hands out to the ocean, indicating the island Earth is Hell.

There's a lot that's fundamentally unanswered (If Richard is the first Other, why and how did he set up the rules for their society? When did it become okay to start ventures in the real world with Mittelos science and other factions all over the world? When and why did Jacob decide for himself to take a more active role personally, leave the island and attract more followers like Ilana and Bram who didn't seem to know Richard at all?) I'm actually pretty okay with this, since we don't necessarily need to know these details.

xp Ahh.

?Furthermore, Nhex, I'm not sure if I'm satisfied with the backstory of how he came to be immortal amounting to "I asked a guy to make me live forever, and he did", without any explanation of how Jacob has this power (presumably that will come in a future episode, though I wouldn't bet on it). At least the reasoning why he wanted to live forever was pretty sound, Thought it might turn out that MIB was his father, giving one more character even more lol daddy issues.

bravo! amazing episode :D

it was even a bit longer than normal right?

i'm absolutely cool with the egyptian gods / gateway to the underworld stuff as long as they can tie in the time-travel/alternate universe stuff in a satisfying way.

At least the reasoning why he wanted to live forever was pretty sound...

So I can't see my wife again... and I can't have my sins absolved... i dunno how 'bout "live forever" then?

He was well scared of El Diablo innit.

yes great episode. i also think it's a pretty fair guess that the ship we saw in "the incident" wasn't the black rock. no reason it should be really

It totally makes sense to a guy who believes he's ultimately going straight to hell when he dies (and also that fundamentally, he can't redeem himself out of it. LOST!).

The episode was overrun to 10:06 or so.

I don't think MIB will literally be Jacob's father, but it wouldn't surprise me if it turns out he's a generation older, or that Jacob replaced him in some way - seems to mirror the other major combatants in Ben/Widmore and Jack/Locke.

hey btw was that the dogen knife that MIB gave him? i though so but dont have the time to go screencap hunting to verify

MIB said something like Jacob stole his body -- so Jacob is MIB's original form?

i took it to mean that jacob was the reason he was bodiless, but idk maybe?

nhex agreed but it was lulzy

jj yes it was the dogen knife and the dogen pre-stabby pep talk

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kzrv4jwJ711qz6g6ao1_500.png

Courtesy Slate:

"You still think you're in Hell?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqFBjOMA5wY

no reason it should be really

if other ships were brought to the island in fine weather without having to be destroyed, what happened to those ships? i guess we'll never know

well Jacob did say "they're all dead" when Ricardus asked him about other people who had come

I am very confused about this whole ship-or-wave-or-whatever-breaking-the-statue thing.

presumably Jacob didn't intend his house to break when he brought them to the island in a heavy storm. sorry this whole thing is just bugging me. i enjoyed the episode btw,

Could have been Smokey gave them an extra push in the statue's direction for spite's sake. (Though he's presumably not allowed to smash it directly)

LOL where's the MONEY, ricardus

how far beneath the sea did Jacob's special place have to be for the Black Rock to smack Tawaret upside the head?

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The Jacob as Smokey's jailer thing with the Island as the prison has been my thinking since the end of last series, so I'm kinda happy they went with that. The explanation of how the Black Rock ended up in the middle of the jungle didn't make any sense whatsoever though.

whoever said that the final episode would be jack and locke on the beach might be very OTM.

This would make me so happy. I can't imagine anything that would piss Jack off more than having to spend eternity babysitting Locke.

I like the sunken Island as smashed bottle idea as well, and the alt-timeline what happens with Smokey out and about in the world - they hinted at that when Smokey told Sayid he could get him back to Nadia.

The next big mythology ep will be the Ilana one, maybe? Either that or we're going to get a whole episode of Jacob and Smokey at the dawn of time.

Also dudes, they totally showed a wild boar feeding on a dead slave. That was kind of grim.

Kinda sad they killed Faraday off - I wonder what he'd make trying to scientifically explain all this shit. Trying to work out how Desmond might fit into it all as well.

Also this might be a stupid question but why did Jacob not just pick Richard as his successor?