Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

smokemonster believes everyone is a victim of their past, and can be manipulated by using their memories and emotions. jacob believes people can make the right (good?) decisions unburdened by the past? or what does jacob believe exactly?!

question i have re: isabella is that smokey appearing as her appears to break the body on the island rule.

i think that's right. xpost I did like Jacob's half-assed explanation of "I brought the ship here" "why?" "to test you" "why" "uhhhh...." very book of Job-ish

I wondered about that rule too. I guess you could say she isn't a body unless other people can see her?

Richard's high-pitched laugh - C/D?

she got there on Kate's horse obv

she did die on an island, though -- maybe there's some kind of dead people on islands network

Kate's horse likes this

My new crazy theory is that smokey is Anubis, because he compared his mother to Claire, and Claire replaced Aaron with a jackal skull (Anubis having the head of a jackal.)

― abanana, Thursday, March 18, 2010 8:36 AM (6 days ago) Bookmark

This has been my theory since the beginning of the season - not Anubis, specifically, but some malevolent Egyptian demigod or another. I like the Anubis idea, tho.

the statue is Tawaret tho, not Anubis, if that matters

Ha I was totally thinking about Trading Places after watching this ep!
When they were using the wine bottle analogy my first assumption was that the island was the "cork" and below was "hell" so basically.... hellmouth, vampires, buffy?

I know Richard's immortality has been hinted at before but now it's confirmed it seems like a totally fucked-up "gift" for Jacob to give him. Death Becomes Her is my only frame of reference on this but surely he's in for an eternity of misery. And if he can't die, why not have him be Jacob's replacement so Smokey can never kill him? Also if he time-travelled back to a time before he made the deal with Jacob, could he die then? It's kind of a big thing to just introduce.

Oh and before when he was moaning about his life being for nothing he said he'd never even met Jacob, or am I imagining this.

I thought he was basically the only dude allowed to see jacob?

also, the island... is THIS ISLAND EARTH.

Richard seemingly would've made a very good replacement for Jacob, and Iliana maybe also would have. Don't know why he'd rather be replaced by one of those six yahoos.

I thought Richard was only immortal in the sense that he doesn't age and can't kill himself. He seemed to at least think that it was possible for other people to kill him when he asked Jack to light the stick of dynamite.

That's what Richard seemed to think two episodes. But in this episode Richard said he never wanted to die, and Jacob said he could grant that.

two episodes ago.

curved one minute and then straight the next

that's not important

let's wait and see

didn't they basically introduce richard being ageless like two-three seasons ago? it's not really a new plot point

"Richard seemingly would've made a very good replacement for Jacob"

Richard doesn't seem to handle autonomy too well. (Neither does Jack et al but they're all getting better at it in three years while Richard had however long.)

They committed to Richard being ageless at some point in season 3 or 4 I think. They explicitly made him immortal last night.

so does a sunken island mean the wine has been spilled?

Permanently contained more like. I think in the alt this whole endless prison/jailers cycle has been stopped, by sinking the island and trapping MIB with no way to escape. Until some archeologists wonder why the hell there's this whole island civilization with a children's playground at the bottom of the sea. Dharma must have left some kind of paper trail.

If the last shot of "Lost" is Tolliver screaming in impotent rage underwater (set up similar to the very end of Sexy Beast), I will buy everybody who worked on that show a round of drinks.

No Ian McShane, no drinks!

richard's whole plight could have been avoided if he'd has some health care reform

I would like to point out that the priest who told Richard that he didn't have time for penance on earth and was going to be hanged the next day was an asshole.

He's the one who 'saved' him from the hanging, though! (OK he got paid for it, but still, good on ya, Padre)

It doesn't make sense for Richard to *actually* be immortal otherwise wouldn't Ben have sent him off to snatch Claire etc/do any dangerous task ever?

I think he kept himself apart from the Others to an extent -- "I'll advise you, but I won't govern you."

Ben must have thought as a candidate he was untouchable (hence going off to get tortured by Sayid, no worries).

it's not at all clear that Ben knew he was a candidate (or even that candidates existed)

Like I implied a ways above, I think Ben's whole shtick was that he pretended to know stuff for years and half the island "rules" he came up with have nothing to do with the real situation. He's just a manipulator.

It's clear Ben was wrong about how the rules worked (c.f. Alex also being untouchable) but he surely believed or was led to believe in at least some of them.

Player got played is waht i'm sayin.

Hurley reveals that she also said there is something else that Richard must do. He tells him that he has to stop the Man in Black from leaving the island because if he doesn't "We all go to hell."

Jacob told Richard that they aren't in hell, but I guess they are at risk of going to hell? I don't get it.

Yeah MIB was playing along with Richard's belief that he was actually in hell, so I don't think it actually is - or even if the island is hell, I guess Jacob/Isabella was warning about hell being unleashed on the rest of the world.

"we all go hell" = something really bad happens, in the language of a devout christian from the 19th century

Being stoned during that episode was a bad idea.

surprising number of Catholics die on this show to talk to Hurley.

Being stoned during that episode was an bad EPIC idea.

srsly jaw droppage

no gif of the gratuitious close-up of his guyliner?

So, unless he's actually crazy, Richard can't suddenly think again that the island is literally Hell, because he's been off it at least once, to visit child Locke?

when he says "all this" he's pointing with both hands out to the ocean, indicating the island Earth is Hell.

There's a lot that's fundamentally unanswered (If Richard is the first Other, why and how did he set up the rules for their society? When did it become okay to start ventures in the real world with Mittelos science and other factions all over the world? When and why did Jacob decide for himself to take a more active role personally, leave the island and attract more followers like Ilana and Bram who didn't seem to know Richard at all?) I'm actually pretty okay with this, since we don't necessarily need to know these details.

xp Ahh.

?Furthermore, Nhex, I'm not sure if I'm satisfied with the backstory of how he came to be immortal amounting to "I asked a guy to make me live forever, and he did", without any explanation of how Jacob has this power (presumably that will come in a future episode, though I wouldn't bet on it). At least the reasoning why he wanted to live forever was pretty sound, Thought it might turn out that MIB was his father, giving one more character even more lol daddy issues.

bravo! amazing episode :D

it was even a bit longer than normal right?

i'm absolutely cool with the egyptian gods / gateway to the underworld stuff as long as they can tie in the time-travel/alternate universe stuff in a satisfying way.

At least the reasoning why he wanted to live forever was pretty sound...

So I can't see my wife again... and I can't have my sins absolved... i dunno how 'bout "live forever" then?

He was well scared of El Diablo innit.