Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

anybody got any good lost nerd blog links yet for last night's ep?

I kept wondering if Hurley is the new Alpert, after Richard's role was explained.

didn't expect them to go with an all out flashback but i guess it makes sense for alt-lines to only apply to the 815 passengers.

wondering why MIB didn't free Alpert sooner, and what the deal with the wife was. Isabella appearing to Richard on the Black Rock didn't seem to make sense - how could it be the monster's manifestation if he then appears to "kill" her and then claim that Jacob had done this? also wouldn't Richard refuse to believe he was in hell if his wife was there (and he seemed to believe it really was her?)?

the Black Rock's arrival on the island not seeming to match what we saw at the end of the last season also jars. doesn't seem a big deal but otoh a ridiculous continuity error if not...

but i guess it makes sense for alt-lines to only apply to the 815 passengers

and Ben. and anyone who isn't Richard. hmm.

jacob had no idea that richard was on the island and a boat crashed. the ship you saw coming to the island last season was obviously a different boat.

oh but he said he borught the ship there, didn't he? jacob is a shady motherfucker.

i trust man in black more. on the recap episode yesterday when the widmore scene came on it labeled him as a "very dangerous man"

if man in black is evil incarnate, what the hell is going on?

wondering why MIB didn't free Alpert sooner, and what the deal with the wife was.

To the first part, he wanted Richard near death and ready to agree to anything. 2nd part, that's a good question. Did MIB create the manifestation, did Jacob, or a 3rd explanation?

Isabella appearing to Richard on the Black Rock didn't seem to make sense - how could it be the monster's manifestation if he then appears to "kill" her and then claim that Jacob had done this?

Isabella was a manifestation of smoke monster, "she" goes up to the top of the ship, turns back into the smoke monster to make it appear the smoke monster is killing Isabella ... smokey did it all to get Richard on his side and convince him to kill Jacob

I'm mostly confused about how a old-fashioned wood ship could smash into a giant stone statue, break the statue into pieces, but not sustain any hull damage at all.

the Black Rock's arrival on the island not seeming to match what we saw at the end of the last season also jars. doesn't seem a big deal but otoh a ridiculous continuity error if not...

Oceanic 815 crash didn't match between passengers and Benry/Juliet observing it either.

Argh who says it was the Black Rock they saw at the end of the last season? It could have been any other ship. Jacob said he had brought "lots" of people to the island before Richard.

Isabella was a manifestation of smoke monster, "she" goes up to the top of the ship, turns back into the smoke monster to make it appear the smoke monster is killing Isabella ... smokey did it all to get Richard on his side and convince him to kill Jacob

what's interesting then is that he can project a person without being there himself, or at least being a short distance away in another form. seems like a logistical nightmare.

Didn't he do that before with Alex in the temple?

and yeah it could've been another ship and most likely is, but this is CRAP

Didn't he do that before with Alex in the temple?

and with Yemi too i guess. it just seemed more convoluted this time.

It could have been any other ship

Pred ship imo

what is crap? what are you on about

that's not important right now.

speaking of ridiculous continuity errors what about dr. linus underlining ELBA on the blackboard with a curved line only for him to walk up the aisle between desks and for the line below ELBA being straight

I'm sure they'll come up with some sort of explanation for that. Smokey probably did it.

it was a blip to an alternate alternate reality

Isabella basically same scene as Alex appearing to Ben-wait til you're at your lowest, then MIB shows up as someone you love, convincing you that you MUST help the smoke monster.

smokemonster believes everyone is a victim of their past, and can be manipulated by using their memories and emotions. jacob believes people can make the right (good?) decisions unburdened by the past? or what does jacob believe exactly?!

question i have re: isabella is that smokey appearing as her appears to break the body on the island rule.

i think that's right. xpost I did like Jacob's half-assed explanation of "I brought the ship here" "why?" "to test you" "why" "uhhhh...." very book of Job-ish

I wondered about that rule too. I guess you could say she isn't a body unless other people can see her?

Richard's high-pitched laugh - C/D?

she got there on Kate's horse obv

she did die on an island, though -- maybe there's some kind of dead people on islands network

Kate's horse likes this

My new crazy theory is that smokey is Anubis, because he compared his mother to Claire, and Claire replaced Aaron with a jackal skull (Anubis having the head of a jackal.)

― abanana, Thursday, March 18, 2010 8:36 AM (6 days ago) Bookmark

This has been my theory since the beginning of the season - not Anubis, specifically, but some malevolent Egyptian demigod or another. I like the Anubis idea, tho.

the statue is Tawaret tho, not Anubis, if that matters

Ha I was totally thinking about Trading Places after watching this ep!
When they were using the wine bottle analogy my first assumption was that the island was the "cork" and below was "hell" so basically.... hellmouth, vampires, buffy?

I know Richard's immortality has been hinted at before but now it's confirmed it seems like a totally fucked-up "gift" for Jacob to give him. Death Becomes Her is my only frame of reference on this but surely he's in for an eternity of misery. And if he can't die, why not have him be Jacob's replacement so Smokey can never kill him? Also if he time-travelled back to a time before he made the deal with Jacob, could he die then? It's kind of a big thing to just introduce.

Oh and before when he was moaning about his life being for nothing he said he'd never even met Jacob, or am I imagining this.

I thought he was basically the only dude allowed to see jacob?

also, the island... is THIS ISLAND EARTH.

Richard seemingly would've made a very good replacement for Jacob, and Iliana maybe also would have. Don't know why he'd rather be replaced by one of those six yahoos.

I thought Richard was only immortal in the sense that he doesn't age and can't kill himself. He seemed to at least think that it was possible for other people to kill him when he asked Jack to light the stick of dynamite.

That's what Richard seemed to think two episodes. But in this episode Richard said he never wanted to die, and Jacob said he could grant that.

two episodes ago.

curved one minute and then straight the next

that's not important

let's wait and see

didn't they basically introduce richard being ageless like two-three seasons ago? it's not really a new plot point

"Richard seemingly would've made a very good replacement for Jacob"

Richard doesn't seem to handle autonomy too well. (Neither does Jack et al but they're all getting better at it in three years while Richard had however long.)

They committed to Richard being ageless at some point in season 3 or 4 I think. They explicitly made him immortal last night.

so does a sunken island mean the wine has been spilled?

Permanently contained more like. I think in the alt this whole endless prison/jailers cycle has been stopped, by sinking the island and trapping MIB with no way to escape. Until some archeologists wonder why the hell there's this whole island civilization with a children's playground at the bottom of the sea. Dharma must have left some kind of paper trail.

If the last shot of "Lost" is Tolliver screaming in impotent rage underwater (set up similar to the very end of Sexy Beast), I will buy everybody who worked on that show a round of drinks.

No Ian McShane, no drinks!

richard's whole plight could have been avoided if he'd has some health care reform

I would like to point out that the priest who told Richard that he didn't have time for penance on earth and was going to be hanged the next day was an asshole.

He's the one who 'saved' him from the hanging, though! (OK he got paid for it, but still, good on ya, Padre)