Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

I don't think it's as simplistic as saying the characters are good/evil but a lot of them are pretty conflicted and some of them do really shitty things for no apparent reason - cf Jack trying to execute Locke. I sort of think bringing good and evil/light and dark into it like this is kind of lame but the writers seem to be going for it in a big way, from "we're the good guys" onward. Maybe even from Locke and Walt playing backgammon right at the start.

I think at this point I would stake everything I own on there being a scene with Hurley and Flocke where Hurley goes "dude, I know what happens when people go over to the Dark Side".

I think the writers are making it unclear (and have consistently made it unclear) who is good/evil, rather than marking out given people as good/evil. That's the exact nature of that "who are you"/"we're the good guys" exchange...to confuse you. And we still don't know who is actually "good" or "evil", obviously smokey/flocke seems to be pegged as bad but even at the end I'm sure you'll be able to say "well was jacob right to do x, y, z"

In backgammon there aren't actually good and bad sides.

maybe the horse was actually a zebra. stripes representing good and evil. and it is sawyer.

flocke painted over the white stripes, symbolising his victory. meanwhile jack probably listened to the white stripes off island.

In backgammon there aren't actually good and bad sides.

― abanana, Saturday, March 20, 2010 10:09 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

laughing out loud

So out of all the things to obsess about with the show I'm obsessing over this:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Little_Prince#2007_or_later

This is the bit during S5E4 when they show up at the beach on the main island, find two outriggers, one of which has an Ajira bottle - dating it post-2007. While taking the boat around the island to get to the Orchid and the wheel, they're fired on by people in the other boat, following them. Juliet returns fire, hits one, and then a flash takes them to 1988. At that point in the show it's the farthest future we've seen, since we haven't gotten to the Ajira landing yet. This scene may also be after everything we've seen in the show so far.

This is driving me nuts since we've never found out who brought those outriggers. They show up at the Ajira landing site, and the cast uses them at various points to pop back and forth between the main island and Hydra. At some point post-Ajira landing, a group decides they need to take out whoever just took their boat. I'm not sure if this is Ajira people, Ilana's group, Others, or Widmore's crew, or an entirely new group or combo pack of all of them. Since Locke is in the boat pre-MIB possession, it may be that someone's trying to stop him leaving the island, and therefore dying and coming back to the island as MIB.

I started thinking about this because of the mass death of the Ajira passengers - I was trying to figure out who was responsible, but then I remembered that in the S5 finale, MIB tells Richard that once he's seen Jacob they're going to 'have to deal' with the people who were on the Ajira flight. Richard asks him what he means, and MIB evades the question but implies they've all got to die. I'm not sure if that's because he's figuring that the flight was packed with Ilana's group/Jacob bodyguards/Widmore's people, or if they all have to go for some other reason. But either he killed them all himself, or he's accomplished that by proxy and was sending Sawyer to Hydra in part to confirm this.

In S6E5 Claire tells Jin she's had to stitch herself up after being shot, but I can't square that with her being a pal of MIB at that point and probably unwilling to fire on Locke. Also her being shot would have occurred pretty recently in the timeline.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Outrigger

I figure there is only one outrigger and it's been traveling through time and meeting itself.

I know, seriously, they're like a new compass.

There's three of em though. Beginning of 507 MIB and Ilana are standing by two, and the third was taken by Frank and Sun the night before.

I wasn't trying to get hung up on the boats per se (reminds me of a test question: 'You have three boats. If five people take four trips ...') but I was thinking that the boats, and the people in one in 504, signaled the arrival of yet another group which we haven't seen, maybe from the future, made up either of people we've already met (my guess) or yet to meet. I was wondering whether they were responsible for the Ajira massacre but I'd doubt it given that MIB wanted them gone.

I really don't think Jacob and Smokey represent good vs. evil. They are more like Randolph and Mortimer Duke: two powerful dudes with differing theories about humanity.

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b226/rlmoonyk/21n012t.gif

This needed to be posted again.

I really don't think Jacob and Smokey represent good vs. evil. They are more like Randolph and Mortimer Duke: two powerful dudes with differing theories about humanity.

yeah i think rather than good vs. evil it will be free will vs. destiny

Yeah, the good v. evil stuff is a red herring. The show's pretty nuanced when it comes to morality - even Ben, who has a pretty massive body count at this point, isn't irredeemable (well, at least in the alt).

This is a nice read on that topic:
http://www.docarzt.com/lost/lost-in-myth/marc-oromaner’s-lost-in-myth-the-lesson-of-“dr-linus”─what-about-you/

Along with free will vs. destiny, and faith vs. reason, there's another axis in the show, nature vs. nurture. In the alt the inherent character dynamics are largely the same, but the way in which those traits are inflicted on others has changed. The alt is a more conciliatory world, built less on secrecy and private torment as the main island timeline is.

Loving the Jesus parallel with MIB, with him wandering around with the knife's tear in his shirt.

I assume the outriggers have always been there. I mean, how did people go back and forth between the island and hydra station way back in season 3?

Carl & Sawyer made it across in a canoe or something.

Did we ever find out who it was that was shooting at the time jumpers?

I mean from the boats, not the group led by Young Widmore.

Nope. My guess is that we'll see that scene reenacted in S6 from the viewpoint of the people on that boat firing on Sawyer/Juliet/Miles/Locke etc.

Wouldn't surprise me at all if we never see it again.

think the most sensible explanation would be that that incident occurred in the 'now' at some point and it was Widmore's ppl doing the firing

http://gawker.com/5499088/this-woman-knows-the-answer-to-lost

quotes about zoe:

She is Charles Widmore's right hand. She does all his dirty work. But she has her own strategy and agenda as well. In one script, I'm going in one direction. In another script, I'm going 180 degrees the other way.
She is looking for someone on the island.
This beautiful journey of this entire show, between good and evil, between science and faith, lies within Zoe.
Zoe has the answer. Zoe knows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd76X8Hh_8E

I'd to point out that there is a Richard Alpert episode tonight and we should be anticipating the hell out of it already.

was a bit put off by his repeated "i've seen things you wouldn't believe" remarks. yeah yeah...but the next week previews for Lost these days are really terrible.

presumably the altline is based on Richard having left the island at some point (as with Ben), but will he still be ageless and wear eyeliner?

Maybe he starts aging when the island sinks & he'll look 70.

do we know Richard will have a flash sideways (and not, say, a flashback?)

I hope it's a flashback.

A flash sideways would, I think, give us a big indication on where the alt-timeline is going, and possibly what happened after the bomb blast. A flashback would at least answer the Black Rock question. There's no reason why they can't do both, actually, and have his episode go over an arc of several hundred years.

I just hope the entire episode takes place in the past other than an intro/outro framing device. Key points: arrival of Black Rock, Richard being found chained up down below, Jacob touch garbage, what happened when he went to meet young Ben.

The question I still want to see addressed is whether the island has been moved before and time-jumped. That'd explain why Richard looked completely different to young Ben, right?

I hope Jack & co. sit around a campfire & Richard tells his story, doing spooky voices for MIB & Jacob.

x-post Richard looked different to young Ben because he was in Other-gear, right?

I just hope the entire episode takes place in the past other than an intro/outro framing device

Would be good, otherwise we'll get half of the episode taken up on-Island during which Richard convinces Hurley and Jack to get on a boat to the other island.

Knowing this show, Richard's story will be presented like this:

Richard: I've seen things you wouldn't believe.

Jack: You wouldn't believe what I'm willing to believe.

Richard: Whatever. It's not important right now. We have to walk somewhere.

^ depressed lols.

I have faith that this ep will actually contain real, spoken information, call me crazy

I feel like Charlie Brown running toward the football

Richard: I came over in chains on the Black Rock in the year 15---

Jack: WHY ARE YOU TELLING ME THIS?

Audience: DIE JACK DIE

I worry about the doughy-looking widmore lackey. That actor always seems to play dudes that get victimized. I swear he was on a Law and Order where Stabler and Ice-T and Belzer beat him up and ate him.

bring back Bram

Knowing this show, Richard's story will be presented like this:

Richard: I've seen things you wouldn't believe.

Jack: You wouldn't believe what I'm willing to believe.

Richard: Whatever. It's not important right now. We have to walk somewhere.

― President Keyes, Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:22 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

^ depressed lols.

― Not the real Village People, Tuesday, March 23, 2010 10:33 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I have faith that this ep will actually contain real, spoken information, call me crazy

― Brakhage, Tuesday, March 23, 2010 10:39 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I feel like Charlie Brown running toward the football

― Brakhage, Tuesday, March 23, 2010 10:43 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

so OTM it hurts

I will say though that in rating polls of people who have read scripts/seen footage tonight's ep is the highest rated of the season

what polls what people

what footage

what aBOUT you?

Christ that took forever to find
http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2010/03/spoiler-sources-episode-scorecard-610.html

missed the first 5 minutes of this. it explained/confirmed some things but it felt like not enough happened.

What are you talking about?

YSI?