Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

FWIW I think it's completely possible Ben was working for Smokey and never knew the difference.

I'm rewatching S3 right now. It seems pretty clear to me that Ben is just making it up as he goes along. The Others are ready to kill Juliet and Ben lets her go, saying "the rules don't apply".

I thought it was pretty weird that Smokey called Sawyer the best liar he's ever met on an island that also includes Ben among its peoples. Also, Sawyer isn't good at lying at all.

I actually really enjoyed this because it felt a lot like Season 4, good to see getting off the island being something the normal characters actually give a shit about.

Sawyer knows exactly how to pilot a sub. You stand there and point a gun at the dude who controls it and shout "DRIVE!"

Also the plane didn't crash, Lapidus landed it. Not that anyone could get that thing off the ground without a runway.

Charlotte and Miles' relationship to each other doesn't necessarily reveal much about what happened when the bomb went off - they could have been on the sub with young Ben when it left.

Still, Sawyer tracking down Locke's dad to kill him is the biggest clue yet as to where the alt-timeline stuff is heading. I give it another two or three episodes before the characters all end up in the same place, then something big is going to happen.

what i don't get is where ben vs widmore is going to fit into widmore vs smokey. prob another made it up as they went along moment

My guess will be that Widmore sussed ages ago that Ben was working to Smokey's agenda without realising it. It would explain why he went to such effort to kill him.

dudes every woman with brown hair and glasses is not Tina Fey

Oh yeah, prove it!

swayer never actually saw the smokemonster right? only him and sun haven't i think, tho sun probably did in the temple

dudes every woman with brown hair and glasses is not Tina Fey

"they are. we looked into it and they are."

gotdam, rebecca mader, homegirl (literally tho), gotdam

still waiting for an episode where someone does something of their own accord rather than because Jacob or Smocke says "oh btw go here, now go here"

Some mental posts upthread. Hello sawyer already killed locke's dad on the island as already he was responsible for sawyer's parents dying.

Did we ever see smokey over there? I'm still skeptical that he can cross water.

Took a boat with Ben, middle of S5.

Widmore and Flocke are circling around each other for the moment, just because each knows the other is the only force around capable of doing them harm.

Also the plane didn't crash, Lapidus landed it. Not that anyone could get that thing off the ground without a runway.

The Others constructed a runway during S3, in anticipation of the Ajira landing. Dunno if it'd be good enough for takeoff though.

kinda love that Sawyer has completely stopped giving a shit about the crazy magic of the island and just accepts it at face value now

So true, with the added bonus that it gets the writers out of having Sawyer show somewhat normal human curiosity.

Epileptic Trees alert: the alternate timeline where Oceanic 815 didn't crash but landed in LA successfully ACTUALLY is purgatory. Darlton are only on record as denying that Losties pot-crash experience on the island in the original timeline was purgatory.

Is that a spoiler? Because please don't post spoilers.

As much of a spoiler as the theory that the reasons the trees all started shaking at the end of the pilot episode was because they (the trees) all had epilepsy.

That is to say, if my wild guess that I just pulled out of my ass is even slightly correct, I will personally fly to Los Angeles to visit Messrs. Cuse and Lindelof and slap them across their respective faces for stupidity in writing.

I know ben prob knew nothing about who or what he was helping, but either way that's a v unsatisfying reason for this huge feud with widmore. Also why was Richard helping ben if Jacob didn't give a damn about him? Why did they risk killing the candidates so many tones instead of just going "hi you are candidates"

Oops...times not tones. Tho tones could be part of the reason.

Hello sawyer already killed locke's dad on the island as already he was responsible for sawyer's parents dying

Ummm, not in the alternate timeline he hasn't.

i really want to see swayer's reaction to the black smoke at some point - hopefully just more blase nonchalance

Sawyer saw the black smoke take out a load of the Widmore commandos when he was in Otherville, surely? Also he must have been aware of it having spent three years as Dharma head of security.

So if Charlotte works with Mile's dad at the museum, (and if it's Pierre Chang) then surely he remembers Miles and Sawyer from Dharmaville. Wonder if he's said anything to his son.

Miles's dad knew about the time travel though, if it happened in that reality.

I get the feeling something's being set up for a scene in which Sawyer is crouching in despair over Miles's dead body.

Miles's dad knew about the time travel though

That's what I meant to say. Before now I assumed that all the people who might know what was going on (Eloise, Widmore, Jacob, Smokey) perished on the island in '77--but if Chang made it off safely then there are probably others roaming around the alt-timeline setting shit up.

it doesn't seem like they really have time to have everyone congregate in altworld now. are we meant to be seeing boone again?

love the idea of desmond being in the locker. seemed almost clunky for swayer to notice and ask what it was so has to be something "big".

hoping there's a proper widmore/ben scene where widmore explains how he found the island after it had been moved (would have to have involved some major sacrifice again, otherwise the whole 'move the island' plan is full of shit).

Yeah but it's the same thing in the alt, he's looking for dude who conned his parents. The same dude.

Sawyer tracking down Cooper would at least allow an opportunity for Sawyer, Miles, Locke and possibly Kate and Ben to all end up in the same place. Maybe others.

My new crazy theory is that smokey is Anubis, because he compared his mother to Claire, and Claire replaced Aaron with a jackal skull (Anubis having the head of a jackal.)

A friend of mine has made wild claims which he claimed were spoilers. WILD CLAIMS.

Kind of annoyed that Locke said, "Now Aaron has a crazy mother." Again implying that Aaron is important. Hopefully he was just trying to get Kate to kill Claire.

I think he was just lamenting that he'd made the same mistake his mother had by causing Claire's craziness. I quite like Crazy Claire!

didn't dogen say claire had the sickness? isn't that why she's crazay

yeah but i imagine Flocke feels responsible. the sickness is surely connected to him/his doing. obv he can work with it when recruiting.

Crazy Claire looks like she's a lot more in control of her actions then Crazy Sayid. I think she's just Rousseau-style mad as opposed to out-and-out possessed or whatever.

nah but Dogen said to Jack straight up "the same thing that happened to Sayid happened to your sister"

how long was Claire out in the jungle on her own with her silketun boybee? 2-3 years right? was "Christian" not with her for much of that time? the whole issue with where his body went is maddening.

they have come back to that one so many times (most recently Jack finding the empty coffin again a couple eps ago) that I think they HAVE to answer it for real

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGGzFKus8F0

starting to think alternate timeline isn't based on a nuke/incident split and instead on a lives-were-nevered-interfered-with-by-jacob split...AND that maybe the stuff we're seeing in the alternate timeline is the ultimate result of them leaving the island with flocke.

of all of the candidates whose flashsidewayses we've seen (jack, locke, hurley, sayid, sawyer), it seems like their lives would've been better without the influence of the island.

that would make flocke good though, and he is clearly evil.

starting to think alternate timeline isn't based on a nuke/incident split and instead on a lives-were-nevered-interfered-with-by-jacob split...AND that maybe the stuff we're seeing in the alternate timeline is the ultimate result of them leaving the island with flocke.

― did you mean: fart blasters? (nickalicious), Friday, March 19, 2010 2:43 AM (9 hours ago) Bookmark

maybe if u kill jacob at any time he like disappears from the world throughout all time? infinity symbol

It's all about the good-evil balance in the characters, I think. They've hinted at that pretty heavily throughout this season. That balance is different in the alternate timeline for a lot of the characters, especially the more morally ambiguous ones - Sayid, Sawyer, Kate, Ben.

These are also the people who Smokey seems most concerned with. Jacob only appears to Hurley, who is the character least likely to have a sudden flash of mentalism and try and kill/manipulate/exploit someone. Ben coming down on the Jacob side rather than the Smokey side might be significant in all this, and I think they might explore it a lot more in the Jin and Sun episode.

I'm not sure where Jack and Locke fit into this theory, admittedly. Or Claire, but I suppose they can handwave that away by having her be crazy.

isn't it just a case of smokey manipulating people who he feels he can manipulate? eg pretty standard the people who are weakest or have suffered more?

and ben coming down on jacob side, doesn't that sort of say it is just about the characters and their choices ultimately? except perhaps for sayid and claire who have this sickness thing. still reckon claire died at some point in that otherton explosion and hence she's the same deal as sayid. if you watch back miles keeps staring at her weirdly for the rest of that ep....really markedly.

he still thought she was hot tho, even when "dead"

hope they actually increase the ambiguity re "good vs evil" (bleh). sympathy for Widmore would probably be going too far and there has to be a bad guy at the end i guess but we're supposed to sympathise with Flocke to some extent, in addition to Ben.

isn't it just a case of smokey manipulating people who he feels he can manipulate? eg pretty standard the people who are weakest or have suffered more?

Oh yeah totally but I don't think that conflicts with my theory really. Then again Sawyer isn't exactly weak or easily manipulated, but he's clearly going to end up dicking Smokey over anyway.

Widmore wanting the island to commercialise its magic properties or something would be enough for me. I like him as pantomime villain.

well sawyer has suffered a lot, i think he is sort of easy enough prey, he's v angry.

widmore wants to find the island so he can bring helen back to life.

Widmore with Vincent scene would be loliciously reminiscent of Jim Robinson & Bouncer

wait what is widmore's connection to helen? like locke's helen? I'm missing a step there.

widmore's mother-in-law