Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

not nitpick blackmail schemes in an alternate, or non-alternate reality

Rose and Bernard are still somewhere. I wonder if they timeflashed to 2007 and their shack didn't..they may have to go live in the caves..errr though I guess hurley & jack wouldve seen them.

Oh man, rose and bernard! And vincent!

kill them all

Really looking forward to a Vincent episode.

Without Jacob interfering with their lives, alt-timeline Vincent is actually rabid. The series ends when he bites each character one by one and kills them.

i haven't read most of the posts on this episode but just wanted to say i nearly choked on my dinner when I read "Directed by Mario Van Peebles" during the opening credits. wtf i didn't even know he was directing an episode.

i had a hard time concentrating on anything else after this tbh. probably need to rewatch the whole thing.

re the uncredited quote upthread; Ergo, the Flashsideways depict the original, unaltered timeline and what we have been watching for five years has been the result of the time traveling in Season 5. this has been clear to everyone for some time now i would suppose. i'm not sure what laws of physics say when it comes to alternate universes, but i'm pretty certain a concept of what comes "first" would just be to complicate things at this point.

looks like everyone should have taken that vaccine after all (xpost)

smokey will prob lock them all in the bear cages at the hydra.

Ergo, the Flashsideways depict the original, unaltered timeline and what we have been watching for five years has been the result of the time traveling in Season 5. this has been clear to everyone for some time now i would suppose.

Not clear at all to me. The time traveling in SSN 5 was done by people from the timeline we've been watching for 5 years, not by people in the sideways timeline.

richard's warning to hurley, "whatever jacob said, don't listen," reminded me strongly of sayid warning hurley in the season 5 premiere, "whatever ben linus tells you to do, just do the opposite." people like giving hurley orders, it seems.

also, i like how flocke literally freed ben from his chains. all about the liberating, that guy.

my belief re: the alt timeline is that it is neither a hypothetical imagination world, nor the show's ultimate endgame. i don't believe in the former because of jacob's conversation with his nemesis in s5 finale, when jacob declared that all the show's events constitute a single, linear string of events. and i don't believe in the latter explanation - and i admit this amounts to little more than gut feeling - because that just seems like an uncharacteristically weak ace in the hole for the show, esp. since they've done that trick before.

either way, right now i'm less concerned with the how and why of the alt world, than i am with jacob and what his deal is.

thus far, has jacob's death actually stopped him from doing anything he would have wanted to do while alive? he can still communicate to the living and give orders, which has always been his style anyway. sure, jacob's death has shaken the confidence of his people and enabled flocke to do... whatever, but it's very possible that these have all been factors in omnipotent jacob's plans all along. seems jacob didn't particularly care whether he lived, only whether ben would succumb to temptation.

richard's warning to hurley, "whatever jacob said, don't listen," reminded me strongly of sayid warning hurley in the season 5 premiere, "whatever ben linus tells you to do, just do the opposite."

This reminded me strongly of Father Ted warning Mrs Doyle about the sarcastic priest: "just do the OPPOSITE of what he says"

This season is still feeling way too fragmented and gimmicky, even more than previous seasons. I think the main problem is that we've never fully known the big picture so we can't root for the characters making the right decisions or have any idea what they're up against, or what they should do. The whole show has always been about QUESTIONS and MYSTERY to the extent that we STILL don't know what's going on.

Season 1 & 2 - things seemed pretty simple and they goal was to get rescued/fight against the Others. No-one (except Locke) had any motivation to stay.
Seasons 3, 4, 5 - everything got shook up, we knew there was mysterious shit on the island but still most people wanted off, or the freighter team wanted to do whatever their individual mission was. They laid out the basic outline of the 'big battle' (Widmore & Ben) and the question of whether Jack or Locke was right in what they believed.
Now we still don't really know what the deal is, and it seems like they need to put their cards on the table so we know a bit about what they are actually up against, how they can potentially win, what they even want. We've seen so many individual small stories and challenges but we have no idea about what's coming up other than 'big showdown' - seems like we can't get behind any sort of epic long-term action strategy if we don't know the full story.

I hope we'll get a bit more insight into the explosion and whether or not Faraday's theory was correct.

^^Yeah that's how I've been feelin, too. I've just sort of tossed my hands up and am along for the ride at this point, just not getting that big cliffhanger feeling anymore. It's gone from everything being kinda scary and claustrophobic and unknown to, like, a big mess, still not a whole lot known, just lots more unanswered baggage tied on. When everyone went running off into the jungle like chickens with their heads cut off in earlier seasons there was some amount of tension, whereas now the show seems to be in a perpetual state of everyone running around like chickens with their heads cut off and I'm just watching and wondering who is going to die, and then oh they're not dead, or hey they're dead but communicate from the other side, and the consequences of any of it are in such a confused state.

Crossing my fingers that now that Ben's kinda part of a team again that he could become awesome once more. Getting impatient waiting for the fanfic flash-sideways stuff to actually connect in some meaningful way with the main arc but I'm sure that's going to happen eventually here. We have some episodes left, so we'll see I suppose.

That was a pretty mopey post but for the record I'm still enjoying the show in spite of it all. Watching the show's largest and smallest characters run across the beach for a big hug really got me.

i hate that the writers are still doing this:

"let's go to ________"
"why?"
"do you have a better idea?"

________ being barracks or beach usually

it's like they're in a bad computer adventure game and are looking for the next cutscene.

http://www.tremnet.com.br/restrito/Img_Pub/pitfall(2).gif

wow, pitfall pillow, i want.

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That was a good episode mainly because Ben's such a great character that I don't think it's possible to do a bad Ben centric (though Ilana doing her Ana Lucia impression was giving me some early doubts), but remember when Ben was this master manipulator who always had a plan? Now he's just this twerpy dude meakly helping Sun build a shelter. I wish it wasn't so.

i would just like to thank all of you with the long elaborate wild-ass theories, because it makes this thread a treat. i've watched every episode of this show and i'm totally clueless. but its nice to read about it anyway. and of course its comforting to know that lots of other people still watch and have no real idea of what the hell is going on. if they DO actually start dropping big bombs of info and all becomes clear it will be one big group..........i was gonna write orgasm, but that might be taking things too far. or maybe not. BUT they do have the power to do that. the people who make this show. here's hoping.

they really need to, because it would be super-nice to start giving a fuck what happens

so why did hurley say "jeez curts"?

KURTZ

i also want that pitfall pillow

if ur gonna crib off books why not heart of darkness

The thing that really bugs me is that the show acts like the candidates are being presented with some sort of moral choice, but they/we have no idea what that choice is. How are we supposed to be invested in what they do if we don't even know what they're supposed to do, or what the stakes are? Why would they side with Jacob when he's never even introduced himself to any of them except Hurley? (He never introduced himself to the others, just touched 'em and gave 'em some advice.) As far as they know, Jacob is a spooky guy who sometimes lives in a creepy little house. And we're almost halfway through the last season!

Also, I have been turning around the idea that Christian represents yet another force on the island, and I can't figure out what that might be. And then there's the bloody little boy.

kinda hate how nobody knows which Kwon is the candidate - transparently the only reason for keeping both Jin and Sun around.

Jack's shit-eating grin when the dynamite fizzled out almost made me like him again good job.

agree that the blackmail attempt on Ben was quite weak but also alt Ben is weak enough for it to have held, in a 'ok i'm in over my head you win' way.

Ben and Richard both being ridiculously emo and disillusioned now is kinda funny. Compared to Richard, Ben seems to be holding it together reasonably well seeing as he's killed about 200 people for no reason.

Also new I Am Invincible Jack could be fun when he decides to go in and find Kate/Claire/Jin with all guns blazing.

new podcast -- my summary here

Some other interesting stuff from a previously quoted TV Guide Q&A (including this one that we argued about upthread):

If Jacob died in the fire, then can we trust the “person” appearing to Hurley? Couldn’t it be the Man in Black taking another form? — Jeremy, via e-mail

Nope, says Garcia. “Hurley is the only one who can see Jacob, so I’m pretty confidant that is indeed Jacob,” he says. Confirms Cuse, “You can trust that's a reliable representation of Jacob.”

Why is the Man in Black now “stuck” in Locke’s body as Ilana mentioned? —Rob M., San Diego, Ca.

Per Lindelof, “There are all these rules that govern the way the island works, and one of them is that when Jacob died, whatever form the Monster was in at that time he cannot change anymore.”

So why is baby Aaron so special?—Jennifer, via e-mail

“There’s a running theme with special children on our show – like Aaron and Walt,” notes Yunjin Kim. But more than being concerned if Aaron can “shoot lasers out of his eyes,” Cuse says fans should focus on how his existence is effecting characters on the island, specifically Kate, who “stated that her mission was to go back to the island and find Claire and bring her back to the outside world so she could be the mother to her own child.”

I was surprised/shocked Kate’s name was crossed out in the cave but then her name popped up on the dial in the lighthouse. What’s up with that?— Lyly Ford, France

The real question, says Lindelof, is: “What is the relationship between the lighthouse and the cave? There are several possibilities.”

Wondering now if Smokey also has Candidates (the same set as Jacob) to replace himself and he crosses them off for his own reasons. Perhaps he's already decided that Kate is worthless, while Jacob still had some faith in her.

But more than being concerned if Aaron can “shoot lasers out of his eyes,” Cuse says fans should focus on how his existence is effecting characters on the island

lol at cuse being all "hello, we're trying to do a serious tv show here"

Having an existence that affects characters on the Island does not really equate to being special. It affects to being, well, a character with a plot function to play.

even "character" is a bit strong so far... aaron might as well be jughead, or the hatch...

definitely would've made the birthing episode more interesting

The whole of S3 would have been spent with Desmond desperately trying to stop Charlie from rocking the hydrogen bomb to sleep.

From Jorge Garcia and his wife's podcast/blog thing:

Just to clear up the online discussion...the line was "cheese curds", not "cheese carrots" when Hurley wakes up.

It's a Wisconsin thing, and oddly enough during our podcast for episode #610 that we recorded while in Wisconsin for Xmas, we mention cheese curds quite a bit.

One of the writers of the epi, Adam Horowitz, went to UW-Madison so I guess he was just reminiscing about the fantastic wonders that are cheese curds.

I miss Wisconsin,

Sidekick22

CURDS CURDS CURDS CURDS CURDS

sup cheese curds

Also new I Am Invincible Jack could be fun when he decides to go in and find Kate/Claire/Jin with all guns blazing.

I have trouble accepting I Am Invincible Jack's faith in his destiny when I get the feeling that he'd be fine with being blown to kingdom come.

this was like the scene in S2 when the alarm was going off and he was all like "whassup john u gonna open that door and let me pull sayid offa this henry cat or we gonna find out what happens when the count hits zero hmmm?"

yeah exactly. now jacke is man-of-faith.

The thing that really bugs me is that the show acts like the candidates are being presented with some sort of moral choice, but they/we have no idea what that choice is. How are we supposed to be invested in what they do if we don't even know what they're supposed to do, or what the stakes are? Why would they side with Jacob when he's never even introduced himself to any of them except Hurley? (He never introduced himself to the others, just touched 'em and gave 'em some advice.) As far as they know, Jacob is a spooky guy who sometimes lives in a creepy little house. And we're almost halfway through the last season!

Exactly. Obv I'm still enjoying the ride, but would be nice to maybe have the writers realise this.

Yeah, this is the downside to creating drama by not having Jacob explain anything to anyone ever. You wonder what the point is of doing what he tells you to do or somehow represents.

Really at this point the O6 should suspect Hurley of being Jacob (hey, if Locke is MIB ...)

well hurley doesn't really have an agenda of his own so why not

President-for-Life Hurley, Founder of the Republic of Curdistan

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In the D&C podcast they hinted that Kate's name being crossed out in the cave but not on the Lighthouse wheel was perhaps a bit of disinformation Jacob was putting out for Smokey to find.