Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

There was at least one other name--Hanson, I think--on the wheel that wasn't crossed off. Mmmmbop.

Er, really?

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Candidates

Seems doubtful that Mikhail's list is the same as the list we're talking about now.

Also are you sure it wasn't Hanso on the list?

Or alternatively, that the list was something they changed their minds about several times, like the sickness. The same way it looks like they're not pursuing the fertility thing because, well, it's boring and no one cares.

I can't figure out why Dr. Linus didn't just make a letter of recommendation for Alex one of his conditions for not releasing the e-mails.

Didn't Dr. Hathaway (or whatever the Principal's name was) say something to the effect that she was toast or something? I got the impression he was going to do a little more to fuck up her trying to get into college than just not write a letter.

Surely mikhail was just lying

x-post Yeah, but what leverage did the principal have? Ben could've said, "You mess with Alex, I release the e-mails."

Well, it was something like she needed a recommendation from a Yale (or wherever it was) grad, and if he became a disgraced Yale grad then that'd make the recommendation worthless whether he went ahead and gave it or not, which is why Ben had to back down.

that seemed like such a dumb negotiation imo -- "i'll write her a letter that MAY get her into the college she MAY not be able to afford anyway unless she gets a full ride scholarship, if you don't do something that would DEFINITELY ruin my career (and possibly tarnish my credibility to the point that Yale wouldn't listen to me anyway"

Don't think that sort of thing would really ruin his career, just his job at the school. And after he was out of the school he could have gone after Alex's life chances with a hatchet if he wanted to.

eh i still think it was a lame and poorly set up trump card for him to be able to play

i think the end result for ben is more important plot-wise than picking holes in blackmail schemes

Yes, if we were meant to find out that alt-timeline Ben is kind of slow.

sigh

So yeah, there's no one running round on their own now, right? It's all set up between Good Guys (on the beach) and Bad Guys (on the other island). And I suppose Widmore to get in the way for a bit before any big fite takes place.

Also why are the Smokey dudes going to the Hydra and not to the frozen donkey wheel like any sensible island-abandoners would?

Jin is still on his own, though presumably he'll join the good side with Sun or get stuck with the baddies unwillingly when Claire comes back for him.

i think the end result for ben is more important plot-wise than picking holes in blackmail schemes

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you can handwave 99% of what happens on Lost in the name of 'the end result' but imo there's nothing wrong with having opinions about how well they do at getting from A to B without making you shake your head

So yeah, there's no one running round on their own now, right?

I figure there will still be a lot of switching sides, though. Kinda like at the end of season 4 when people kept running back and forth btw jack and locke and the helicopter

they'll keep you hanging on which side of the good/bad scale kate and sawyer are on

if you tried to diagram who's on whose 'team' or who's grouped up at any given time on the show it would be incredibly, incredibly convoluted and involved

i haven't read most of the posts on this episode but just wanted to say i nearly choked on my dinner when I read "Directed by Mario Van Peebles" during the opening credits. wtf i didn't even know he was directing an episode.

Wish it was Melvin.

without making you shake your head

isn't ~smh~ a given with lost?!

i thought we agreed to succumb to the insanity and just enjoy the ride

not nitpick blackmail schemes in an alternate, or non-alternate reality

Rose and Bernard are still somewhere. I wonder if they timeflashed to 2007 and their shack didn't..they may have to go live in the caves..errr though I guess hurley & jack wouldve seen them.

Oh man, rose and bernard! And vincent!

kill them all

Really looking forward to a Vincent episode.

Without Jacob interfering with their lives, alt-timeline Vincent is actually rabid. The series ends when he bites each character one by one and kills them.

i haven't read most of the posts on this episode but just wanted to say i nearly choked on my dinner when I read "Directed by Mario Van Peebles" during the opening credits. wtf i didn't even know he was directing an episode.

i had a hard time concentrating on anything else after this tbh. probably need to rewatch the whole thing.

re the uncredited quote upthread; Ergo, the Flashsideways depict the original, unaltered timeline and what we have been watching for five years has been the result of the time traveling in Season 5. this has been clear to everyone for some time now i would suppose. i'm not sure what laws of physics say when it comes to alternate universes, but i'm pretty certain a concept of what comes "first" would just be to complicate things at this point.

looks like everyone should have taken that vaccine after all (xpost)

smokey will prob lock them all in the bear cages at the hydra.

Ergo, the Flashsideways depict the original, unaltered timeline and what we have been watching for five years has been the result of the time traveling in Season 5. this has been clear to everyone for some time now i would suppose.

Not clear at all to me. The time traveling in SSN 5 was done by people from the timeline we've been watching for 5 years, not by people in the sideways timeline.

richard's warning to hurley, "whatever jacob said, don't listen," reminded me strongly of sayid warning hurley in the season 5 premiere, "whatever ben linus tells you to do, just do the opposite." people like giving hurley orders, it seems.

also, i like how flocke literally freed ben from his chains. all about the liberating, that guy.

my belief re: the alt timeline is that it is neither a hypothetical imagination world, nor the show's ultimate endgame. i don't believe in the former because of jacob's conversation with his nemesis in s5 finale, when jacob declared that all the show's events constitute a single, linear string of events. and i don't believe in the latter explanation - and i admit this amounts to little more than gut feeling - because that just seems like an uncharacteristically weak ace in the hole for the show, esp. since they've done that trick before.

either way, right now i'm less concerned with the how and why of the alt world, than i am with jacob and what his deal is.

thus far, has jacob's death actually stopped him from doing anything he would have wanted to do while alive? he can still communicate to the living and give orders, which has always been his style anyway. sure, jacob's death has shaken the confidence of his people and enabled flocke to do... whatever, but it's very possible that these have all been factors in omnipotent jacob's plans all along. seems jacob didn't particularly care whether he lived, only whether ben would succumb to temptation.

richard's warning to hurley, "whatever jacob said, don't listen," reminded me strongly of sayid warning hurley in the season 5 premiere, "whatever ben linus tells you to do, just do the opposite."

This reminded me strongly of Father Ted warning Mrs Doyle about the sarcastic priest: "just do the OPPOSITE of what he says"

This season is still feeling way too fragmented and gimmicky, even more than previous seasons. I think the main problem is that we've never fully known the big picture so we can't root for the characters making the right decisions or have any idea what they're up against, or what they should do. The whole show has always been about QUESTIONS and MYSTERY to the extent that we STILL don't know what's going on.

Season 1 & 2 - things seemed pretty simple and they goal was to get rescued/fight against the Others. No-one (except Locke) had any motivation to stay.
Seasons 3, 4, 5 - everything got shook up, we knew there was mysterious shit on the island but still most people wanted off, or the freighter team wanted to do whatever their individual mission was. They laid out the basic outline of the 'big battle' (Widmore & Ben) and the question of whether Jack or Locke was right in what they believed.
Now we still don't really know what the deal is, and it seems like they need to put their cards on the table so we know a bit about what they are actually up against, how they can potentially win, what they even want. We've seen so many individual small stories and challenges but we have no idea about what's coming up other than 'big showdown' - seems like we can't get behind any sort of epic long-term action strategy if we don't know the full story.

I hope we'll get a bit more insight into the explosion and whether or not Faraday's theory was correct.

^^Yeah that's how I've been feelin, too. I've just sort of tossed my hands up and am along for the ride at this point, just not getting that big cliffhanger feeling anymore. It's gone from everything being kinda scary and claustrophobic and unknown to, like, a big mess, still not a whole lot known, just lots more unanswered baggage tied on. When everyone went running off into the jungle like chickens with their heads cut off in earlier seasons there was some amount of tension, whereas now the show seems to be in a perpetual state of everyone running around like chickens with their heads cut off and I'm just watching and wondering who is going to die, and then oh they're not dead, or hey they're dead but communicate from the other side, and the consequences of any of it are in such a confused state.

Crossing my fingers that now that Ben's kinda part of a team again that he could become awesome once more. Getting impatient waiting for the fanfic flash-sideways stuff to actually connect in some meaningful way with the main arc but I'm sure that's going to happen eventually here. We have some episodes left, so we'll see I suppose.

That was a pretty mopey post but for the record I'm still enjoying the show in spite of it all. Watching the show's largest and smallest characters run across the beach for a big hug really got me.

i hate that the writers are still doing this:

"let's go to ________"
"why?"
"do you have a better idea?"

________ being barracks or beach usually

it's like they're in a bad computer adventure game and are looking for the next cutscene.

http://www.tremnet.com.br/restrito/Img_Pub/pitfall(2).gif

wow, pitfall pillow, i want.

http://blog.craftzine.com/tv.jpg

That was a good episode mainly because Ben's such a great character that I don't think it's possible to do a bad Ben centric (though Ilana doing her Ana Lucia impression was giving me some early doubts), but remember when Ben was this master manipulator who always had a plan? Now he's just this twerpy dude meakly helping Sun build a shelter. I wish it wasn't so.

i would just like to thank all of you with the long elaborate wild-ass theories, because it makes this thread a treat. i've watched every episode of this show and i'm totally clueless. but its nice to read about it anyway. and of course its comforting to know that lots of other people still watch and have no real idea of what the hell is going on. if they DO actually start dropping big bombs of info and all becomes clear it will be one big group..........i was gonna write orgasm, but that might be taking things too far. or maybe not. BUT they do have the power to do that. the people who make this show. here's hoping.

they really need to, because it would be super-nice to start giving a fuck what happens

so why did hurley say "jeez curts"?

KURTZ

i also want that pitfall pillow

if ur gonna crib off books why not heart of darkness