Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

I think the cave really belongs to Smokey in spite of the "Jacob's Ladder" joke - all we know about it is what Flocke has said and I think at this point he has lied about at least some things? Anyone remember? That might be an important point. Has he lied? Has Jacob?

He's all, "Hey Ben come with us you can be leader of the island again" pretty lie-tastic.

Also, as far as the Dharma sub is concerned: when Widmore was coming in going, the Others had possession of the submarine because they'd seized the island from the Dharmas. When Alpert went to see young Locke, they didn't have the sub. In fact, it's quite possible that the Dharma submarine hadn't even arrived at the island at that point. So Alpert clearly left the island in some other way, and almost definitely not via the donkey wheel which seems like a worst-case scenario thing.

I thought everyone staying on the island was going to die once smokey's group left? Who knows.

Alpert was looking kind of sentimentally at the manacles in the hold of the Black Rock. I wonder if he was the prisoner or the imprisoner?

good point about the timing (xp)

Oh yeah, pretending to be Locke is a pretty big lie.

So what's up with Christian, I wonder.

They still haven't recovered his body in the sideways timeline.

It is a good point about the timing with the dharma sub, but it doesn't change my opinion of the larger points: (1) that the alt is showing the result of their lives without jacob's interference (or at least without Jacob's interference after '77 or whenever it is the island is to have sunk), and (2) that there's not a strong reason to believe that Alpert was watching Locke at Jacob's request. But we'll just have to see how the show resolves some of this stuff.

I think they did recover his body in the alt, they just didn't show it. Jack's mother said David was upset at the funeral, indicating that there WAS a funeral, indicating that they had gotten the body? That was my thought process anyway, which made the whole missing body thing a let down, imo.

I think that's an insight into the show's writing though, lol. They wanted Jack and Locke to meet in the alt, so they create the mysteries of the missing corpse and knives so that they can meet in the baggage claim area. A few weeks later, that whole mystery turns out to be completely unimportant (they both got there stuff back a couple of days later), and for that matter I can't even remember if that conversation between Jack and Locke mattered at all either.

In the sideways timeline, the writers are clearly presenting each character with some sort of conflict that their original selves would have handled differently. Ben would have sold Alex out, but this time he compromises to help her. Locke normally would continue questing, but instead has accepted domesticity and his limitations. Sayid normally would avenge his family, but instead chose the path of peace and acceptance, and only killed Keamy et al. in self-defense. Killing Keamy is the only thing he did that seems more like something Old Sayid would do, but I think it was inevitable at that point.

I would argue that Jack seems pretty well-adjusted, has an improving relationship with his kid, doesn't seem to be an alcoholic... he seems like he's in a good place.

I think Jack was still an alcoholic in this timeline (probably still inherited from Dad) but recovered - there was a scene where his mother offers him a drink in the middle of the day, and he refuses, to which she says "Good for you" earnestly - another problem he turned around.

TBH I'm crossing my fingers that the sideways universe DOESN'T suddenly go wrong and it turns out that indeed without Jacob's influence these guys would have made the right decisions. If they do go the route where the island's influence and induced tragedies were in fact for the "greater good" of the world I'll probably be a little disappointed. (That said, I thought the Jack/Richard scenes in this ep were great, classic Lost.)

I think that's an insight into the show's writing though, lol. They wanted Jack and Locke to meet in the alt, so they create the mysteries of the missing corpse and knives so that they can meet in the baggage claim area. A few weeks later, that whole mystery turns out to be completely unimportant (they both got there stuff back a couple of days later), and for that matter I can't even remember if that conversation between Jack and Locke mattered at all either.

Yeah, I'm not sure why the hostility towards the sideflashes, when flashes of some sort have always been a device of the show to explain/illuminate parallel Island action.

Alpert was looking kind of sentimentally at the manacles in the hold of the Black Rock. I wonder if he was the prisoner or the imprisoner?

― mh, Wednesday, March 10, 2010 4:07 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

MIB's line to Richard ("it's good to see you out of those chains") a few episodes ago seems to give a pretty strong indication toward the former.

I think Jack was still an alcoholic in this timeline (probably still inherited from Dad) but recovered - there was a scene where his mother offers him a drink in the middle of the day, and he refuses, to which she says "Good for you" earnestly - another problem he turned around.

moms don't typically offer recovering alcoholics drinks tbh. maybe he was just a drinker.

oh yeah, true.

i have hostility towards the sideflashes because theres plenty of stuff to resolve without throwing another wtf is going on with this into the mix, esp when it so far has been totally boring

You're gonna have to explain this dairy-hate.

Mega Multi x-post...

I just thought it was such a lazy joke; insulting to the character; all around bad writing (only characters in movies wake up like that, and always as sloppy segues for new scenes; think cartoon security guards dozing as robbers tiptoe past or something like that).

I always CRINGE when critics of the show say stuff like "I gave up with the whole polar bear thing - and how is that one guy still so fat?!?! HAHAHAZzzzz," since in reality they've addressed the issue and actually made Hurley's weight a part of his character (pretty sophisticated discussions and plotting around his shame and guilt) rather than his ENTIRE character (LOL Fatty dreams of cheese curds!).

Would it make you more or less appeased if "cheese curds" turned out to be a vital clue to the nature of the island?

am I taking crazy pills hers

HERE

HURLEY SAID CHEESE CARROTS

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/9772/screenshot20100310at103.png

Ha, maybe in alt-universe, he said cheese carrots.

That's an excellent drawing!

he definitely said cheese carrots!

The only side flashes I didn't enjoy were the Sayid ones (lol, I even enjoyed the Kate ones on some level). But I can totally understand the hostility to them. Because a lot of people understandably can't fathom how they're relevant or why they should care about them. I don't know whether they'll end up mattering or not, but I'm enjoying them more than I thought I would've before the season began.

lotta x-posts,

100% cheese carrots

LOST deserves a special Emmy if it turned out they broadcast different "curds/carrots" versions in different markets.

I think they did recover his body in the alt, they just didn't show it. Jack's mother said David was upset at the funeral, indicating that there WAS a funeral, indicating that they had gotten the body? That was my thought process anyway, which made the whole missing body thing a let down, imo.

In "Lighthouse" they talk about the funeral in the past-tense, but also Jack's mom asks for a status report on the missing coffin. I think they had the funeral without the body.

didn't draw that btw

Guess I missed that then.

I was hoping hulu could settle the Great Cheese Debate, but it's just mucked it up even more:

http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2640/cheeses.gif

surely this vital piece of information has a page dedicated to it on lostpedia

The folks on alt.tv.lost heard both, but also someone thought he said "cheese curls"

I definitely heard "carrots"

that dude never ate a carrot in his life,yo

xp Me too.

WTF ARE CHEESE CARROTS?

THIS IS MAKING ME SO MAD RIGHT NOW

THIS SHOULD SETTLE THE DEBATE:

CHEESE CURDS ARE AN ACTUAL THING
CHEESE CARROTS ARE NOT

pasteles are tamales sorta. NOT CARROT guyz

I just listened to it again and it is definitely not "cheese curls".

http://hostedmedia.reimanpub.com/TOH/Images/Photos/37/exps16108_CW10200C36A.jpg

they exist!

hahaha ok curds is fine, I even asked my wife "did he just say "cheese carrots?"

PS I am willing to forgive Brits for thinking he said "cheese carrots" because "cheese carrots" are probably an actual food item in the "UK" (like some kind of disgusting candy I'm guessing)

When I listened to it just now I will admit that it sounded like "carrots" initially, but "curds" was also plausible.

I didn't even hear that line last night.

Use your IMAGINATION, Nick.

It's like icing carrots:
http://img.foodnetwork.com/FOOD/2007/02/16/ry0401_carrotcake_lg.jpg

I am not a Brit and thus unforgivable xxp

Don't remember the line from last night, but maybe it was "cheese, carrots,..."

I just assumed is was like diced carrots covered in cheddar like some dr. strongo's neuvo cuisine shit

I just listened to it again (11min,52sec) and he's doing some weird Tuvan throat thing where there's definitely a "smokey" presence saying carrots in addition to the regularly voiced curds.

Jacob is a curd man, apparently.

Thought this was the best sideways flash yet, mostly because Dr Linus was lol and him and Arszt buddying up was totally lol.

Not much actually happened in this one but it was still enjoyable if only because Michael Emerson is so great. Still, for the last few minutes I was totally expecting him to get shot because he'd just gone through his whole redemption - either by Ilana or the sub crosshair. Still, good to see the sub CGI is still reliably shit.

Liked existential crisis Richard as well. I hope we do get an episode that explains the Black Rock at the very least (ie what it's doing in the middle of the island).

The Sawyer episode should give us the biggest clue as to when the timelines divided - it sort of hinges over whether Locke's dad is an arsehole conman or not, because Sawyer's parents were already dead by the time the bomb went off. Or at least I think they were, if someone could clear that up it'd be good.

I hope this series ends with Miles sitting on a big pile of diamonds being sarcastic all day.