Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

nutso messiah jack is wayyyyy better than sobby in utero jack

yeah i'd agree with that

Richard has an episode coming up - surely the Black Rock is the ship we saw as Jacob cooked the fish on the beach at the end of s5.

im sure episode 15 is the black rock

jack - wants answers
richard - wants answers
sawyer - wants off
miles - wants off and cash
kate - wants a boyfriend
jin - wants sun safe
sun - wants jin safe
ben - wants power/redemption
hurley - wants to help
sayid - gave up
desmond - out of office
claire - wants babby formed
pilot guy - wants off
Illana - go away

glad to see Ilana has daddy issues too.

Ilana - never go away

does jin know sun is back? I forgot.

this ep was def the best so far this season

sun is driving me crazy. you guys still like her?

sun is the worst wife, why didnt she stay at the temple to find jin

because she would have gotten killed?

it's hard to find your husband when you are dead

suns character has taken the worst turn in the last few seasons, shes totally uninteresting to me at this point and i kind of wince whenever she shows up on screen

i mean at least with kate ive always hated her, sun has transformed into a one note foil at this point

im sure episode 15 is the black rock

I thought no series regulars were supposed to be in that episode. Richard was upgraded to main cast this season.

we'll see

did jack try to jump off a bridge at some point and fail? i don't exactly remember what happened there

wow I didnt hear that about episode 15. killer!

I still WANT to like Sun because she was a pretty good character for a while there - but this season has been ridiculous. I guess every season we need a WAAALLTTT/MOI BAAAYYYBEEEEE/"my husband?"

Hopefully, like I said upthread, Widmore's appearance will make Sun more interesting. She and Widmore were doing some plotting together to kill Ben, right? Didn't catch her reaction shot of seeing Ben yesterday, if there was one..

cutty: there was a car crash so he jumped down to help the people in the accident

Can someone help me unravel this? It's driving me nuts.

From here - http://spoilerslost.blogspot.com/2010/03/latest-from-tv-guide-magazine-march-9th.html#axzz0hiJ3OTDW

So will we ever learn why women couldn’t carry babies to term on the island? Isn’t that the whole reason Juliet was brought over by Dharma in the first place?—Jean B., via e-mail

Lindelof says the show is not going to specifically state why, however, “we feel like we’ve given you the empirical data so you can figure it out for yourself.” Hmm… a little more help please for the clueless? “Clearly Ethan was born on the island in 1977,” continues Lindelof. “That’s the last baby that we know of who was born on the island. And then something happened between 1977 and when our show takes place in 2004 (when Claire arrived eight months pregnant) where it’s been a long time since women have been able to have babies on the island. What might have happened between those two points that could have created fertility issues?”

Presumably women can't have babies on the island because Juliet set off the bomb in 1977. The bomb is "the incident" Candle keeps referring to. I'm cool with that.

So I guess the timelines split like this:

Timeline 1 -> Juliet sets off the bomb, some people die, some people leave the island, some people (including Ben) live and stay on the island and keep the Dharma initiative going? If that's the case, when in the timeline does grown-adult Ben kill his dad?

Timeline 2 -> Juliet never sets off the bomb (?) and everything happens the way we've seen it before. But then why can't woman have babies?

Or does Juliet always set off the bomb?

This detail has me seriously confused.

Do we have any reason to believe there is a fertility issue in timeline B? the island is underwater. There's an "everyone living underwater" issue :)

OK, cool, I get that -- but it still doesn't make Timeline 1 make sense to me. If Juliet blew up an atomic bomb on the island...young Ben & everyone else grew up safe & sound and just kept on living in Dharma land? And weren't the Dharma construction crews building the Swan hatch? So that never got completed? The whole time fuckery thing is proving difficult for me to unravel.

Pretty sure Ben and his dad left the island on a submarine. They evacuated the island before the bomb blew up or didn't blow up.

I suppose the last remaining explanation that would happen in the original timeline was drilling into the Swan station energy pocket / containing the energy. Alternatively, poison gas attack by Ben (very possible, explaining his guilt / obsession).

'Hurley sleep-talking "cheese curds..." is literally the low point of the entire series for me. '

You're gonna have to explain this dairy-hate.

At this point in the series, yes we know Hurley is fat and likes to eat. I think I just mentally skipped over this joke, didn't even notice it. At least if you're going to do this kind of joke anymore, it should be something different... like throwing a Hot Pocket at someone.

cheese curds are delicious though

^^^ Was going to post this, also being trapped on a desert-ass island for a long time I think I'd probably dream about food.

I thought he said cheese carrots

deserted-ass. Then again, maybe Dharma drops cheese curds.

yeah cheese carrots is what i heard

yet another example of british people thinking everyone is little miss muffet

Juliet was talking about food, too, when she was in death-delirium.

Pretty sure Ben and his dad left the island on a submarine. They evacuated the island before the bomb blew up or didn't blow up.

then they came back to the island and adult ben killed him? sorry, i swear i'm not trying to be thick, i just dont comprehend any of this.

in the original timeline, there was an "incident" but we don't know what that incident was

you are assuming that the incident and juliet setting off the bomb are one and the same. i don't think they are.

yeah I think we can assume that in the timeline where the bomb didn't go off, the people in the submarine came back once whatever caused the incident was contained

then again, maybe in the alternate timeline, the island was never evacuated in the first place. Kind of hard to figure out the exact point at which the timelines diverge.

Yeah, in the sideways timeline they don't return to the island, and seem to have a decent relationship. In the original timeline they return to the island and Ben murders him with gas.

Kind of hard to figure out the exact point at which the timelines diverge.

It doesn't really make sense that the timelines would diverge anytime before Juliet is in the hole. Clearly Ben and his father were on the island and then they left. It seems fair to assume that they left around the time of the incident.

Timeline has to diverge far back enough for Jack to raise a teenager..and for Locke's dad to not push him out the window (he wouldn't be invited to the wedding if he'd done that)..but I think locke's accident was only 5-10 years before the flight

Sinking the island in '77 means Rousseau and crew are trapped on Catalina instead? Rousseau hops a ferry to LA for their excellent school districts?

Would it have been too on-the-nose to make Widmore the alt-Principal instead of Walter Peck?

I wonder if Alpert ever visited young Locke in the sideways timeline.

Sinking the island in '77

we don't know when the island sank

Is there a continuity problem with a '77 sinking?

In the sideways timeline, the writers are clearly presenting each character with some sort of conflict that their original selves would have handled differently. Ben would have sold Alex out, but this time he compromises to help her. Locke normally would continue questing, but instead has accepted domesticity and his limitations. Sayid normally would avenge his family, but instead chose the path of peace and acceptance, and only killed Keamy et al. in self-defense. Killing Keamy is the only thing he did that seems more like something Old Sayid would do, but I think it was inevitable at that point.

I would argue that Jack seems pretty well-adjusted, has an improving relationship with his kid, doesn't seem to be an alcoholic... he seems like he's in a good place.

I imagine next week will be a Sawyer episode and soon after that we'll have a Hurley episode that achieve similar ends. I imagine that soon we'll resolve whatever is going on with Jin and Sun.

But that phase of the sideways storyline should be ending after a few episodes, and honestly I can't for the life of me figure out what could possibly set them in motion after that for the remainder of the ten remaining episodes. There can't be ten more episodes about the characters compromising and thereby overcoming their flaws. So there is going to need to be some kind of huge plot point in the sideways timeline that shakes everyone out of their slumber.

Is there a continuity problem with a '77 sinking?

The issue is that we don't know that the bomb went off, and the underwater island doesn't look exploded.

this is a wild goose chase - the sideways timeline isn't a 'what happens if the bomb doesn't go off' or 'what happens if the plane never crashes' but more like a 'what happens if Jacob never touched/influenced any of these people's lives'.

Ha, what if Jacob has a sideways flash too, and he is biblical Jacob just hanging out, grilling fish.

the sideways timeline isn't a 'what happens if the bomb doesn't go off' or 'what happens if the plane never crashes' but more like a 'what happens if Jacob never touched/influenced any of these people's lives'.

In the sideways timeline there is an underwater island with barracks on it, so I am going to disagree with you here.

this is a wild goose chase - the sideways timeline isn't a 'what happens if the bomb doesn't go off' or 'what happens if the plane never crashes' but more like a 'what happens if Jacob never touched/influenced any of these people's lives'.

I think this is otm, and based on how their lives turn out, a pretty big hint that maybe Jacob is the asshole in this whole feud.

BTW, I expect ep 15 will be mainly about early Jacob/mib and maybe a little bit the black rock.