2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

That Chris Matthews ran this story (and Bill O'Reilly, Brian Williams, etc) suggests how much the punditocracy feasts on minutiae to keep itself entertained. Honestly, I wouldn't have cared had HRC been the one accused. These things keep the political classes entertained. I didn't give a damn about her LBJ remark either.

want some NRO fun? the only way that obama's mama and obama's daddy could have married would be that they was COMMIENISTS!

OH LAWD THERE'S STILL COMMUNISTS EVERYWHERE

actually kingfish i think that's an interesting piece, and one that might very likely be true. now as to its RELEVANCE that's a whole other deal, but certainly the circumstances of interracial relationships during that time frame are interesting, especially considering the obvious cultural opposition that they faced (and still face).

the guy who originally said those words suggested he use them

and not to be all cap'n-save-a-O, but I wonder how much of Patrick's speech was informed by Obama's ideas, if they are in fact as close as both parties are suggesting.

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both msnbc and ccn wont call it for obama but theyre saying he has a lead based on exit polls - i dont think ive heard them use this formulation before - its either calling it from exit polls or wait and see

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I wouldn't be surprised if Patrick's speech was informed but the same ideas, but that line was pretty solid. you can hear the response in the crowd when Obama uses it.

I don't know. just thought it was kind of lame. probably because I saw the clips in succession on a talk show. If it were merely explained to me, or I read about it, the effect wouldn't have been the same.

mccain launching scare campaign 08 right now

Man, this article. I know BritBart is a Drudge cohort, but this one appears to be from the AP wire. And two lines in it are amazing:

• Obama leading in Wisconsin over a “fading Hillary Rodham Clinton”
• Obama is “cut(ting) deeply into Clinton's political bedrock”

If that's the way the media stories read coming out of Wisconsin, it may be too late for HRC.

mccain launching scare campaign 08 right now

What's he saying?

i dont think ive heard them use this formulation before - its either calling it from exit polls or wait and see

no, they've said that before. they may be waiting for a few preliminary results to confirm - when they've called it before, hasn't it been in low-number caucuses? while the impulse is usually to be first, my cynical side says they're gonna wait a little while to keep the people who would turn their tv's off when the result is announced. guess is they know he won from the exits alone, but are gonna wait

he's talking about the growing threat against american lives, how leadership is called for and how "others" just want to sit down and make out with terror-supporters and bomb our allies.

What's he saying?

My friends. My friends, my friends. My friends.

basically it's bush since 9/11/rudy guliani's oh-so-successful campaign tactics

For such a "straight-talking maverick," McCain sure poaches the George W. Bush neocon playbook liberally.

now dig at michelle obama -- "i am proud to be an american [unlike that bitch]"

Clay, that's why I can't watch McCain's speeches. That phrase makes me crazy.

oh my golly! He just totally did the John Locke from L O S T. "Don't tell me what we can't do."

and msnbc projects obama to win wisconsin

Wait, you're kidding. He implied that she's an ungrateful traitor?

he did. the right is clamoring about this today. she made this "i am finally proud of my country" twice now in speeches, and so she is now indicative of blame-america-first liberals. as if african-american women have been living in an american utopia these past 222 years.

Yeah Daniel, the "my friends" thing -- which he just seems to be ramping up more and more every speech I end up seeing -- is so grating. Something about how terribly sincere he seem, while it being such a disingenuous thing to say.

CNN just projected for obama as well.

Just tuned in (then off). One of the TV chatterheads says that, inside the McCain camp, their main strategy is to (a) position McCain as "The Patriot" versus Obama "The Confused Youngster" and (b) portray Obama as being to the left of M. Dukakis and G. McGovern.

It will be an ugly -- and familiar -- type of GE.

BARACK OBAMA: AMERICA'S MOST LIBERAL SENATOR.

Yeah, that will be the line. That any "Blame America First," "Pessimist," "Not A War Hero," "Defeatist," and so forth.

Ugly. But Obama's the kind of candidate who can overcome it.

my biggest obama fear, btw, is mcgovern-related: when everyone loved mcgovern it was because he was the anti-candidate, a non-pol who talked straight, obsessed with decency and honesty, etc. and so when the eagleton mess started and he waffled a bit, it suddenly made him seem more like a politician (which of course he always was) and less like a real movement leader.

what it also did was give the press a big opening to attack him. the halo was gone, and suddenly he was a bumbler, just another washington rat like all the rest. when obama flubs -- and of course he will -- he will similarly get hit hard, much harder than mccain, just because the expectations are so much higher. as much as the press has really aided him so far, it can easily destroy him as well.

It would seem like it'll be that vs. "McCain is a Bush proxy" / "More of the same here and abroad" which should at least keep Obama coming across as less of an attack artist.

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I hear you, YGS, but I think Obama's more savvy -- and far more charismatic -- than McGovern.

barack obama = black osama. end of story.

i cant see that "what a liberal he is!!" thing working v well, just like how during the confirmations of alito + roberts their reasonableness under fire from dem pols belied their actual nuttiness (esp in the case of alito)

Besides, as between Obama and McCain, I think it far more likely that McCain will make flubs and flip-flops, which Obama can exploit. And, FWIW, I don't think McCain has ever been tested in the way he'll be tested by Obama.

And all this from somebody (me) who thinks McCain will be the favorite in a GE against Obama.

(McCain was tested by GWB, but that's a very -- very -- different kind of test. Obama won't win by secretly accusing McCain of having an illegimate black baby).

Remember the throngs of Republicans who were all like "I kinda like this McGovern guy"?

actually, gabbneb, mcgovern did VERY well with hardhats/wallace supporters in the beginning for this very reason

aka democrats?

obama already has a Dem problem, just like McCain has a GOP problem

Sorry, what do you mean?

(i.e., what's Obama's Dem problem?)

some democrats aren't gonna be comfortable voting for him?

fuck 'em

that's what i say

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOYbFADoINE

Why? Because he's black? Because he's liberal? Because he's cool and detached?

because he's black and/or too young

guys he's a muslim

do you want a president sworn in on the koran???

his nomination'll be a good way to axe the fucking lame dead wood from the plodding bulk of the toothless donkey party

i tried to sink another metaphor into that sentence, but i couldn't

he's gonna make nancy reagan wear a burkha!!!