Katrina's aftermath

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I don't know if it's been posted already, but this video clip is truly shocking: 1) people are being locked in the convention centre (as if they were prisoners!), 2) people are not being allowed to leave NO - I mean this just defies logic and humanity, and wtf wtf are the people in charge thinking.

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 4 September 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

I've had a couple of emails today asking for money for the victims of Hurricane Katrina, and in these sort of things I usually do attempt to do something by giving cash or whatever, but the fact that this is America makes me feel differently. I'm reluctant to donate funds to the world's most powerful nation, when they should be looking after their own.

What do people think? Am I being callous and cold-hearted?

Lovelace (Lovelace), Sunday, 4 September 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

You don't have to give money if you don't want to.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 4 September 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

My question has more to do with my reasoning(if it's right or not) than with being told what to do...

Lovelace (Lovelace), Sunday, 4 September 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

Lovelace: I think your question is legit, but the reasoning is shaky. I completely agree that the "world's most powerful nation" should be able to look after its own. But the fact is that its gov't (and arguably, a slim electoral majority) has chosen not to.

Meanwhile, the people who are the victims of such choices (and who, particularly in NO, had little role in putting BushCo in office) could certainly use your help. It seems to me pointless to punish THEM for the crimes of those in power.

Collardio Gelatinous (collardio), Sunday, 4 September 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

Yes, the qn is surely whether a government is willing and able to help its own people.

But there's a huge lack of tin-rattling here compared to any other recent disaster I can remember (& compared to 9/11 too) so I guess that on some level a lot of non-US people have the same view as Lovelace.

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 4 September 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)

"My question has more to do with my reasoning(if it's right or not) than with being told what to do..."

your reasoning is something you have to work out for yourself. you either give or you don't give. your reasoning is your business. it's true that the united states is rich and powerful.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 4 September 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

I have been reading this thread for days- Thank you, all of you, who have provided links and kept updating with new information. I don't have cable, so I didn't watch any of this-but I've read everything(probably LITERALLY) that has been reported.
I hate George W. Bush. That will probably come as no surprise for anyone who went through last years election with me, here.
The horrible thing is-I am shaking with anger, and want so badly to just punch him, kick him-I mean, I'm a relatively stable adult, living in a peaceful Northeast town in the U.S.-and I actually want to physically assault the president. That's not normal-and I'm not alone.
i talked to my mom yesterday-she's 73-and asked her if she could remember anything comparable to this in her lifetime. Sadly, no. She struggled with it-brought up a few examples, but nothing was comparable. Nothing. She, too, is in a state of utter disbelief.(And most likely would punch the smirk off of Bush's face, given the opportunity.Which would be a great thing to see!)
When not reading every new report from this disaster, I have been talking on the phone with friends and family about it. One thing that I have been discussing, over and over again, is that this SHOULD be a time when Big Government comes back for all of us- FDR style-a time that- and we could it-the government pays for reconstruction in myriad ways. I know, I know, I am spending too much time on Fantasy Island. But...
Please, if anyone is going to argue with me about any of the above, understand how angry and fragile I am right now. I can't take criticism about thoughts and feelings that I am just now articulating- and I have read every single thing on this thread for many days.
Thanks again, everyone, for providing the vital information on this thread.I really appreciate it.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Sunday, 4 September 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

Orbit, that leftturn article's amazing. Thanks for posting it.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Sunday, 4 September 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/usweatherpolice

gear (gear), Sunday, 4 September 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050904/capt.ladm10109041503.hurricane_katrina_ladm101.jpg?x=380&y=254&sig=MpdNnegD6sAkNw5b7svY1Q--
A makeshift tomb at a New Orleans street corner conceals a body that had been lying on the sidewalk for days in the wake of Hurricane Katrina on Sunday, Sept. 4, 2005. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)

gear (gear), Sunday, 4 September 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

In addition to civilian deaths, New Orleans' police department has had to deal with suicides in its ranks. Two officers took their lives, including the department spokesman, Paul Accardo, who died Saturday, according to W.J. Riley, police superintendent. Both shot themselves in the head, Riley said.

gear (gear), Sunday, 4 September 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

Police Shoot 8 on New Orleans Bridge

NEW ORLEANS - Police shot eight people carrying guns on a New Orleans bridge Sunday, killing five or six of them, a deputy chief said.

Deputy Police Chief W.J. Riley said the shootings took place on the Danziger Bridge, which spans a canal connecting Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi River.

He said he had no other details.

gear (gear), Sunday, 4 September 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

they were ARmy Corps of Engineers

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 4 September 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

holy shit, no kidding:

BREAKING NEWS AP: Army Corps of Engineers says police killed some of its workers as they crossed a bridge on the way to repair a canal. More soon

gear (gear), Sunday, 4 September 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

yeah, last night, Interdictor reported hearing about the suicides.

Larry Johnson: "I believe there are grounds charges of criminal negligence being brought against US Government officials. This is not partisan bashing. There are people who are dead who could have and should have been saved. The responsibility for not responding quick enough clearly lies with the Feds. Those ain't my words, it is their own damn plan..."

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

CNN says they were contractors for the army corps of engineers heading to work on a canal.

lyra (lyra), Sunday, 4 September 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

that's insane!

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 4 September 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

but wait!

BREAKING NEWS AP: Army Corps of Engineers says its contractors were not killed by police, but gunmen who fired at them were killed. More soon.

gear (gear), Sunday, 4 September 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

either way, wtf is going on down there?

gear (gear), Sunday, 4 September 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

it's fucking Serbia within 8 hours of my parents, that's what's going on.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

in this article about the relief efforts by Peyton Manning & his brother Eli(both pro-football-player sons of Saints QB Archie Manning), they mention this bit:

"This is the largest disaster in Red Cross history. We already have more than 300 shelters set up, in six states already," she said.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

rescue helicopter just crashed.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 4 September 2005 22:58 (twenty years ago)

This made me cry:
http://www.nola.com/weblogs/nola/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_nolaview/archives/2005_09.html#076891

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 4 September 2005 23:00 (twenty years ago)

Btw, did Tep move from New Orleans, or was he still there?

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 4 September 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/04/katrina.impact/index.html

oh jesus christ:

Programming note: Dr. Phil McGraw and Deepak Chopra discuss healing after Katrina, "Larry King Live," 9 p.m. ET.

still, if it helps anybody...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 23:08 (twenty years ago)

Orbit, Tep's in Indiana in grad school. he's safe.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

oh wait, maybe not grad school, but you get the idea

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

Yeah Tep is fine :) Well, no I'm sure he isnt actually, but you know.

Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 4 September 2005 23:26 (twenty years ago)

rescue helicopter just crashed.

CNN appears to say that the crew is OK:

Underscoring the dangerous nature of the operation, a rescue helicopter crashed northwest of downtown New Orleans Sunday evening. The pilot and crew were rescued, said those aboard another helicopter hovering above just after the crash.

The mangled Eurocopter AS 332 Super Puma was lying on its side about four miles from downtown. The Coast Guard carried the crew from the scene on another helicopter.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/04/katrina.impact/index.html

Who flies Eurocopters? It's hard to tell from the photo on the front of cnn.com if that's a USCG helicopter-- it's pretty bright colored, like some of theirs are.

lyra (lyra), Sunday, 4 September 2005 23:41 (twenty years ago)

say, when to you think a "_Die Hard_-moment" is gunna happen? an on-camera slugging of an official?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

a friend of mine from what was Yugoslavia compared what happened in New Orleans compared what Milosevic did in '91 and '95 with Croatia.

badgerminor (badgerminor), Monday, 5 September 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

from a comment on Interdictor's LJ:

My boyfriend and I were traveling from Memphis, TN to St. Louis, MO on I-55 this afternoon (5:00p to 9:00p). As we drove north between 5 and 7 p.m., we saw at least 200 vehicles of various types moving south including tankers with fuel and water, medical, humvees, personnel transports, trucks with building supplies, generators, construction equipment, and tow trucks. There were also two trucks with wedge shaped cabs that looked familiar, but I'm not sure what they were exactly. They made me think of bridge builder type vehicles. We also saw a group of Arkansas State Patrol vehicles caravaning south with boats in tow, several groups of ambulances, a caravan of buses and a group from Ameren UE the electric company in St. Louis.

I can't be sure, but I think some of the military vehicles were Army Corp of Engineers from Fort Leonard Wood, MO. They were traveling at a good clip, and hopefully have already arrived in the area. Several of the military vehicles had slogans like "New Orleans or Bust" and "New Orleans We're Coming".

I hope this news helps.


kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 September 2005 05:02 (twenty years ago)

snowball

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 5 September 2005 06:03 (twenty years ago)

Sony Online enabled a "/donate" command in
Everquest II, which fires up a browser window right at the Red Cross.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 September 2005 06:04 (twenty years ago)

we saw at least 200 vehicles of various types moving south including tankers with fuel and water, medical, humvees, personnel transports, trucks with building supplies, generators, construction equipment, and tow trucks. There were also two trucks with wedge shaped cabs that looked familiar, but I'm not sure what they were exactly. They made me think of bridge builder type vehicles.

THIS STUFF FRIGGING WELL SHOULD HAVE BEEN BARRELING INTO NEW ORLEANS AS OR JUST AFTER THE DAMN STORM HIT.

OK, the flooding. But come on. Portaloos finally arriving AFTER they move everyone out of the superdome? If I was in NO I'd probably be shooting people out of insane wild anger mself.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:16 (twenty years ago)

according to a friend at the fbi, they are also moving in 25000 body bags.

lauren (laurenp), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:35 (twenty years ago)

I'm reluctant to donate funds to the world's most powerful nation

This is how i feel about it, I mean Bush was quoted saying “we can afford both the events in Iraq and this”.

not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Monday, 5 September 2005 10:52 (twenty years ago)

Sean Penn was just on CNN and said he saw only three (!) non-civilian boats during eight hours of people-searching yesterday.

Andy_K (Andy_K), Monday, 5 September 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

Didnt he like, sink before he even started!

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 5 September 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,373047,00.html

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

Mayor Nagin is now saying it's possible that as many as 10,000 people died.

gear (gear), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

in case you're curious how conservatives excuse the president's incompetence

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_090105/content/truth_detector.guest.html

Rush, Monday, 5 September 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

Francis! Dude, where ya been!

Ned elsewhere (rogermexico), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

You've got three days to set up a rescue operation system that saves everybody.

Yeh, so I start setting it up even before the hurricane hits, you know, when the state of emergency is declared, not when the inner-beltway starts grumbling.

stet (stet), Monday, 5 September 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

Ned, buddy, my ghost lingers on (assorted net forums)!
I just dropped by to throw that link at y'all. Not that surprising to find an actual informative article on the NOLA crisis at a German news source rather than CNN or some other mediocre news outlet (excluding the countless blogs all over). I've been extremely bothered by this whole debacle, as everyone else has, yet what really terrifies me, the hypochondriac, is the chance of disease spreading. This is so much more beyond New Orleans being turned into a wasteland overnight. It is one of my favorite cities anywhere and yes, I'm also looking for friends I have lost contact with, so...

Francis Watlington (Francis Watlington), Monday, 5 September 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

one of the many things that bothers me is that the power company Entergy had the foresight to bring in hundreds of trucks to different staging areas, anticipating the damaged power lines. I remember seeing on television one of the staging areas in parking lot of the Hammond mall the Sunday night before Katrina hit.

If Entergy could foresee the damage, why not FEMA?

badgerminor (badgerminor), Monday, 5 September 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

just in case some people didn't know this about the disastrous head of FEMA (and i'm not checking this long-ass thread to see if it has been mentioned much):

"Before joining the Bush administration in 2001, Brown spent 11 years as the commissioner of judges and stewards for the International Arabian Horse Association..."This was his full-time job...for 11 years," [a spokeswoman] added.

Brown was forced out of the position after a spate of lawsuits over alleged supervision failures. "He was asked to resign," Bill Pennington, president of the IAHA at the time, confirmed last night.

Soon after, Brown was invited to join the administration by his old Oklahoma college roommate Joseph Allbaugh, the previous head of FEMA until he quit in 2003 to work for the president's re-election campaign."

scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 5 September 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

Does Control + F not work on your computer, Scott?

It's okay. Pointing out that the head of FEMA is an Arabian Horse specialist who obviously doesn't know how to keep an entire city from drowing does bear repeating.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 5 September 2005 23:24 (twenty years ago)

Don't you think the U.S. government knows a few things you don't? Maybe Bin Laden is planning on invading the U.S. on horse-back.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Tuesday, 6 September 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)


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