Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

we are like top chefs in whole foods

all these posts are about top chefs in whole foods holy shit

I'm totally cool with them not doing a Q&A of every single aspect of the show (well actually no, I'd quite like that - island press conference chaired by Walt or something) but to specifically say it's going to be what the characters are interested in, when the biggest criticism of the show so far is that they aren't interested in anything but themselves, is kind of rich.
I really want a Widmore episode, close the chapter on him and Ben.

Just remembered I had a freaky Lost dream last night, all the main Lost guys (Kate etc) were dead corpses hanging in this underground pit and when you saw them from the correct angle they made up the show's promo picture. Also Jacob totally saved the day and stopped my dad getting dismembered.

Widmore is def. going to be back.

Will he be Claire's adoption flaker's husband who ran off and left her for Libby in alt-timeline?

I mean, the numbers are basically gonna end up as shorthand for 'this is how Jacob's manipulated your life Hurley' but 'each number corresponds to one of the chosen ones' isn't really a great explanation.

I was kinda thrown by this initially too, but thinking about it more I like how vague it is. The numbers are just the thumbprint on reality left by Jacob's meddling with destiny, which is woo-woo and magical, but hey, a lot of stuff in the show is going to end up being magical in explanation - smoke monster, time travel, exotic matter, etc etc. I can get behind the numbers just being a cosmic 'JACOB IS IN UR REALITIES MESSING WITCHU' rather than something that 'means' something.

I think this line of explanation for things - 'it's magic, dude' is not going to fly for a lot of people, and we're going to see more and more of it as the show wraps up - but we are watching a show about a timeshifting island where the dead walk.

i hope they show Jacob working at the company that makes the lottery tickets, just so people can rest easier at night understanding how Hurley won

That sounds like something that would be a cellphone episode if they still made those!

I guess the dropped ball that bugs me the most is Walt. If we can't wrap up Walt's specific case in a satisfying way, at least give us something to deal with the whole child-kidnapping thing the others were into - beyond the fertility research, which I thought was explained by Ben's childhood.

he uses locke for a reason - I've been re-watching the show recently & I'm thinking that Locke was at least partially inhabited by Smokey from the very beginning. The Locke/Smokey ratio was prob skewed toward Locke to such an extent that he was not aware of Smokey's presence within him, but this could explain why his legs worked all of a sudden & how he seemed, straight away, to have such an intuitive grasp of "the island." Perhaps this is why Smokey (if it was Smokey & not Jacob who ordered it up..) demanded the return of Locke's body to the island & not any other random corpse. Certain folks (also Christian prob) are just, for whatever reason, the preferred conduits & it can only be through them that these forces become fully manifest.

A lot has been mentioned here & elsewhere about The Stand, which I don't know much about. One thing that seems to have been overlooked in recent Lost dialog, though, is how profoundly the creators were influenced by Twin Peaks. It seems pretty clear to me, at this point, that Smokey = BOB, Locke = Leland Palmer & the island is some sort of Black Lodge pocket of time-space inhabited by coexisting polarized good/evil forces, even down to the black/white motif of the Lodge floor tiling.

the odd thing about Walt is, they pretty much had to know from the beginning that they wouldn't be able to keep Walt in the show year after year as he grew way faster than the timeline of the show allowed for, and obviously used the season 1 finale as a way to start working around that, but it seems like they never had an exit strategy to resolve all the stuff they'd already set in motion involving him by that point.

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Did they ever figure out what the real life numbers that the LOST numbers are based on were for?

re: walt, didn't he and matthew fox film some super secret scenes years in advance that made the producers make them swear extra hard not to tell for fear of spoiling the finale?

wasn't that just some completely made up theory?

yes.

if that theory was true i would gain some respect for the Lost braintrust, honestly it gets exhausting watching them go back and reshoot scenes over and over and insert new details when a little foresight would've made it so easy to just have that stuff ready and not worry about inconsistent haircuts/camera angles/etc.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Valenzetti_Equation

not made up

the odd thing about Walt is, they pretty much had to know from the beginning that they wouldn't be able to keep Walt in the show year after year

There was a time around season 4 and 5 when D&C announced in interviews that they indeed had a plan for Walt's aging and had figured out how to reintroduce him in the show. I took them to mean that Walt would be around for the series finale, but now I think at the time 'reintroduce' meant his quick appearances with Hurley and Locke in the 'three years later' off-island scenes, unfortunately.

During the Season 6 press blitz D&C said that they most likely wouldn't be able to work Walt in due to his aging.

so there's at least a few components to the LOST numbers that were cobbled together from actual strange number trivia, but the part about strange numbers being repeated on shortwave radio is definitely true, and the last I heard, people thought it was some WWII code or something.

They might have been referencing numbers stations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conet_Project

at this point I"m pretty certain that LOST will have a long life as a franchise after the show is over in novels and comic books.

and I would, like, totally read these

I think it would be best if it was a board game that you win first, then later play to see how you did it.

... How hard could a 'future older Walt shows up' storyline be in a show about time travel?

I'm actually looking forward to their excellent CG artists doing a benjamin button on walt.

i know anything sci fi-ish gets a billion spinoffs these days, and Cuse & Lindelof have said they have no control over what ABC does with the franchise and wouldn't be surprised to see it take all sorts of other forms in the future, but i'm having a hard time picturing what that would be. Jacob/MIB prequel stories? Crisis of Infinite Flash-Sidewayses? Tales of the Black Freighter Rock?

seems like there could still be tons of lost island mythology to mine. I mean, so far we really only know what happened on the island starting somewhere in the 1950s (I know there's the Black Rock, but we don't really know anything about it yet)

if they start spinning this off in comic books, it's pretty much inevitable there's going to be at least one story about how the nazis try to find/take over the island.

Locke's adventures as a tough guy philosopher poet wheelchair bound substitute middle school teacher. Aaron could be a student or something.

Undercover Boss goes wrong as Hurley works in a Mister Cluck's but ends up having to become a permanent employee after he finds out the fryer works only with his mastery of the island numbers. Alpert guest stars.

If I were a sleazy ABC exec I'd be thinking about tying Lost into V and FlashForward beyond just poaching actors. What happened to that comedy paranormal cop show with Michael?

Also re: Conet Project -- yeah they never figured those numbers out! ... just like in LOST...

Wonder if we're going to find out how Ben et al "cured" Juliet's sister - anything to do with how Dogen got his son brought back to life? I'm down with "the island is magic" but unless they somehow brought her there...?

I guess this is one of those things they won't bother to revisit.

jacob probably healed jack's ex-wife too

If I were a sleazy ABC exec I'd be thinking about tying Lost into V and FlashForward beyond just poaching actors. What happened to that comedy paranormal cop show with Michael?

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The Unusuals lasted about 10 episodes. it wasn't paranormal or sci fi at all, it was just 'quirky.'

Lost being compared to twin peaks has always been insane.

In the early episodes, like Jack chasing the ghost of his dead father and the smoke monster being inexplicable, it seemed like we might get some more abstract and unexplained things going on, but that just wasn't the style they settled on.

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Lost's original woring title was "The Circle" so I guess it makes sense that the numbers ended up being degrees on a big wheel. I wonder if that means that there were a total of 360 candidates throughout history and its down to 5 (+Kate, -Locke)

woring=working

mikhail said: that it was impossible for her to understand because she was not on "the list". He then went on to detail specific reasons why they were not on the list, indicating that Kate was "flawed", Sayid was "frightened", Rousseau was "weak", and Locke was "angry".

seeing how three of the above are out and kate is tagging along i think maybe we can trust mikhail that she isn't one of the candidates after all

I'm thinking that Locke was at least partially inhabited by Smokey from the very beginning. The Locke/Smokey ratio was prob skewed toward Locke to such an extent that he was not aware of Smokey's presence within him, but this could explain why his legs worked all of a sudden & how he seemed, straight away, to have such an intuitive grasp of "the island."

Like this^^

Just watched the last 2 eps in a row, missed last week's so had to d/l it and then watched the new one on TV. Loved action Sayid in the alt-timeline, still overall not pleased with alt-timeline.

Think it's probably quite likely Sun & Jin will end up on different sides but I don't think Jin has defected at this point.

maybe we can trust mikhail that she isn't one of the candidates after all

Dunno if Mikhail was high-ranking enough to even know about the candidates, if Richard Alpert didn't (someone said upthread, I can't remember whether he knew or not tbh)

Sun and Jin will end up on diff. sides to be sure, for the dramatic win - though they have no axe to grind, they're just following people around and trying not to get injured.

I'm hoping that all the 'list' talk from earlier seasons was Ben just aping Jacob's list-keeping and trying to make his orders seem 'official' .....

dead legs = dead enough for smokey to take some charge?

mikhail seems to have been brought to the island personally by jacob though, and might've had a more direct relationship with him, like ilana and the gang, who certainly seemed to know more about the candidates than alpert

Yeah true might explain his semi-invincibility

He then went on to detail specific reasons why they were not on the list, indicating that Kate was "flawed", Sayid was "frightened", Rousseau was "weak", and Locke was "angry".

But Locke & Sayid were candidates when Mikhail said that.

Good point

Oh the promos make it look like Ben's dying next episode. Misdirection?

almost certainly

i thought they say... HE IS GOING TO DIE. we're not supposed to talk about promos btw.

I would imagine this is Ilana finding out about Ben's not being exactly honest when asked if MIB killed Jacob ...

Whoops, no promos, gotcha

well cat's out of the bag, albeit 3 days after i was dying to talk about it