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Yeah, Dancer is easily the poorest looking Von Triers movie.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:10 (twenty-one years ago)

BTW I like DV just fine (and the idea of Lynch using a DV too.) I just don't think the above are good examples of fine looking DV movies.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:12 (twenty-one years ago)

festen looks good in its particular one-chip way.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 12 May 2005 22:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Pieces of April didn't look completely terrible, but the gritty/doc feeling of the cinematography didn't work with the subject at all.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:36 (twenty-one years ago)

A Lynch film on HD (ala Collateral) could be incredible, though, with the amount of color work he could do in post. When I think of my fave Lynch films there's a certain visual lushness that would be lost on noisy/flat DV.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:38 (twenty-one years ago)

what i like about Lynch's special effects is that they are actually achieved right there in front of the camera or with film effects (for example the transformation of bill pullman into balthazar getty in Lost highway which seems to be acheived with speeded up footage and overlapped film) and don't have that fake sheen that digital effects often have. I'm still psyched about this and keen to see what he does with the medium, of course.

― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 12 May 2005 23:53 (twenty-one years ago)

most of lynch's "special effects" are like weird lighting shifts and fucked-up industrial noises. but yeah when he does do a more traditional "effect" it often has a sort of homegrown quality that calls attention to itself in an appealing way.

i really adore him without thinking any of his films are exactly perfect or even my favorites. although the short film mentioned above and the final episode of twin peaks are pretty close to perfect.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:17 (twenty-one years ago)

man i gotta do the whole twin peaks thing again sometime soon.

amateurist have you seen the "pilot" version of mulholland drive ever?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:20 (twenty-one years ago)

not am, but I have.

― gygax! (gygax!), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:21 (twenty-one years ago)

how do you know he hasn't?

just kidding. what was it like?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

and how did you get it? ebay? torrent?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:22 (twenty-one years ago)

amateurist have you seen the "pilot" version of mulholland drive ever?

yes, my roommate ca. 2000 had it.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:25 (twenty-one years ago)

I got it from superhappyfun, weak VHS dub (plus two Lynch-directed commercials). It was almost exactly what you'd expect it to be from watching the movie (same plot, no lezzing up, minus the twist, monster (I think), silencio, etc.).

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:27 (twenty-one years ago)

surely not the SAME plot.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)

so i guess everyone in the world but me has seen it. well that's just great. i hope you guys ENJOYED it.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:28 (twenty-one years ago)

Very disappointing that it wasn't made into a series. It could have been fantastic, based on the performances and setting. I don't know where it would have gone as a series, though - Laura Palmer-esque season-long investigation? Hott blonde and brunette detective agency?

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:29 (twenty-one years ago)

ding ding ding on that last one.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:30 (twenty-one years ago)

If I can find my DVD-R, I'll mail it to you. I kind of doubt that I'll ever have the overwhelming desire to watch it again.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:30 (twenty-one years ago)

ding ding ding on that one too! thanks!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:31 (twenty-one years ago)

am!st and s1ocki, tell me more about why you like the Lumiere film so much.

― jed_ (jed), Friday, 13 May 2005 01:34 (twenty-one years ago)

i think i'll write on essay on it one of these days.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:58 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry, that's not a good answer, but it's all i've got at the moment.

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 13 May 2005 03:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Inland Empire is very overdue as a cinematic setting on such a ...scale....so hurrah. this is v exciting.

― Vichitravirya XI, Friday, 13 May 2005 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)

i really adore him without thinking any of his films are exactly perfect or even my favorites.

totally.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 13 May 2005 04:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I remember there was this series of I think French cigarette commercials or something by various famous directors and Lynch's was really amazing!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 13 May 2005 04:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd be interested in reading that essay, am, you shill.

I still haven't seen all of twin peaks and I think I really need to.

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 13 May 2005 08:15 (twenty-one years ago)

this is awesome and i am excited!

― latebloomer: the rebel sound of grits and bacon (latebloomer), Friday, 13 May 2005 11:01 (twenty-one years ago)

i love how he says "all kinds of controls to dial in the look you want", like his DV setup has a big soviet-era panel with knobs and levers all over it.

― jones (actual), Friday, 13 May 2005 14:46 (twenty-one years ago)

he uses a lot of antiquated phrases like "dial in." i.e., "peachy keen."

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Friday, 13 May 2005 15:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I think he could totally do some cool things with the "ugliness" of DV.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 13 May 2005 15:54 (twenty-one years ago)

two weeks pass...

finally found the DVD-R, if you still want it Slocki. e-mail me your address and I'll put in the mail this week.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 30 May 2005 22:02 (twenty-one years ago)

Why a duck?

― Pete Scholtes, Tuesday, 31 May 2005 17:23 (twenty-one years ago)

What I've seen:
Eraserhead - classic
The Elephant Man - undeniably classic
Blue Velvet - halfway-to-classic
Wild At Heart - rather odd, but it gets more classic as it progresses
Twin Peaks first season - undoubtedly classic

Therefore, Lynch = classic so far.

― Ian Riese-Moraine's exploding hamster zeppelin! (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:04 (twenty-one years ago)

I watched Mulholland Drive again last night and was amazing by how much it actually makes sense.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:05 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, i thought the same when i watched it for about the 5th time last week.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:07 (twenty-one years ago)

these days I think his only not-very-successful film is Lost Highway and at least that one looks cool

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:14 (twenty-one years ago)

And has good music.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Explain to me how Mullholland Drive makes sense if it's a loop that begins where it ends.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

i think "Wild at Heart" is awful.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

Or am I thinking of Lost Highway?

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:16 (twenty-one years ago)

who said it was, Unfortunate Prankster?

xposts

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Mulholland Drive and Lost Highway share a structure, I think he just did it better in Mulholland Drive.

― kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

i've said that before. (xp)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

i suppose Lost Highway is that to an extent.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:18 (twenty-one years ago)

(it doesn't make any sense to me but i still like it)

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:19 (twenty-one years ago)

One of these movies is a damn loop, right? I remember watching one thinking it was pretty good and wondering how it was going to end and then all of a sudden it was back at the beginning scene and the movie was over, which pretty much invalidated everything in between the beginning and the, uh, beginning.

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:20 (twenty-one years ago)

i think lost highway is more explicit about it, iirc.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

but Mulholland Drive isn't a Loop.

― jed_ (jed), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Double feature idea — Lost Highway and Head.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:24 (twenty-one years ago)

The imdb review of Lost Highway simultaneously spoiled and explained it to me! Never even thought of that!

― Unfortunate Prankster (Unfortunate Prankster), Tuesday, 31 May 2005 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

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