Marijuana: Classic or Dud?

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POT MESSES WITH YOUR DNA?? this was discredited in the 50's! you guys sound like a mexican health class text book..geeze.

there was a poster that said as much in my high school health class far away from Mexico and long after the 50s. I tried to tell the teacher about it, but she seemed to agree with the poster not SCIENCE.

― artdamages (artdamages), Monday, 15 November 2004 23:25 (nineteen years ago) link

this nu bush amerikkka where everyone listens to artrock and never smokes out is disturbing.

― big chaki (chaki), Monday, 15 November 2004 23:36 (nineteen years ago) link

no way, dood, the summer of love is coming yer way. secretly all the baby boomers were hoping bush would win so that they could stick it to the man one more time!!!! (from the comfort of padded and heated leather seats this time, but what the hell, they've earned it.)

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 15 November 2004 23:40 (nineteen years ago) link

yay!!!!!!!!!

― big chaki (chaki), Monday, 15 November 2004 23:42 (nineteen years ago) link

It is the most classic ever.

Since moving to a country with a less forgiving attitude towards weed, I have missed it profoundly. I'm sure it's been healthy for me to experience a period of my life without it, but having done so, I am unimpressed.

It will be one of the first things I do to inaugurate my return to the US of A, right after downing a large french vanilla iced coffee from Dunkin Donuts. Possibly I will then watch the Daily Show. This is my dream.

― Laura H. (laurah), Monday, 15 November 2004 23:51 (nineteen years ago) link

pot+synagogue=classic

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 00:16 (nineteen years ago) link

laura pls be calling me for fulfill this dream!

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 00:19 (nineteen years ago) link

yeah man there sure are some uptight straights on ILE..

― ^*&*&*OO, Tuesday, 16 November 2004 00:24 (nineteen years ago) link

how different is smoking hash? i've only smoked it a bit in amsterdam on top of nicotine. you don't see it very much in the states

― JaXoN (JasonD), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 00:30 (nineteen years ago) link

my experiences with hash have been largely negative (that isn't to say unpleasant but just... very mildly high, i guess), but i've also heard that the quality of hash varies even more wildly than pot.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 00:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I've hung out with a lot of people who smoke the pot, and I have never been around the types described upthread, those who smoke it 24/7 AND talk about it 24/7. I don't doubt they exist, but I think they're a rarer breed than is generally claimed.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 00:39 (nineteen years ago) link

i agree

― big chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 00:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Opium is the bomb. God, that stuff is almost addictive it's so good. mmmmmmmmmm, and mind you these are ancient ancient memories making me go mmmmmmmmmm. i know, it's terrible and everything and blah blah, but honey, I'm telling you, if being wrong feels this good, i don't want to be right.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 00:55 (nineteen years ago) link

Opium is great, but it makes me too sleepy. I feel like I'm missing out.

― Ian John50n (orion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:00 (nineteen years ago) link

Sorry to be an evangelist but the number of people here who've obv tried it like twice and think they can now safely dismiss it based on um well not actually knowing what it's like is a bit annoying. Feel free to never touch the stuff, OBV, but if you do it DO IT, baby.

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:01 (nineteen years ago) link

Where's everyone getting all the opium? Have we traveled back in time to Nineteenth Century China without me noticing?

― Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:02 (nineteen years ago) link

almost addictive?

― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I used to get it from people who had been to dead shows in the 80's, Woodeen.

I was just kidding about the almost addictive thing, teeny.

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:04 (nineteen years ago) link

er, wooden. (woodeen is the 19th century spelling)

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:05 (nineteen years ago) link

I went on a 2 week opium trip in high school and.. ya.. almost addictive is quite the understatement! I am glad that when I ran out I wasn't able to secure more. It also managed to make me even lazier than pot.

And if I wasn't smoking lsd that night what the hell fucked us up so bad? It couldn't have been just the weed as it'd been chronic for a few years at that point.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Dude, I don't care either way (pot is not for me, I've never noticed it do anything to me and I hate the taste), but the arguments that start this thread are bullshit!

The only drug that: 1) even if you're an addict, you don't mind sharing

You aren't hanging out with good people if this is the case; I've never been in a situation in which people DID mind sharing any type of substance with their friends!

and 2) won't kill you.

Maybe if you eat it all the time, but certainly not if you partake of it in the traditional methods of, like, smoking. It's safer than regular cigarettes since regular cigarettes from the store are basically nothing but a collection of tar and various other things found in the composition of your average pavement, but you're still inhaling carbon monoxide!

The point: every one worth a grain of salt shares with their mates, and everything worth doing in the world ever will eventually kill you. This is kind of a yin/yang upper/downer post, brought to you by Ally.

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:38 (nineteen years ago) link

I think by "kill you" he meant by overdose.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:45 (nineteen years ago) link

No one has ever died from marijuana. Like, in the history of the whole world. There is no evidence that prolonged, extensive use leads to cancer. Esp since you'd have to smoke like 60 joints a day to equal an average cig smoker's daily intake of carbon monoxide.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Maybe if you eat it all the time

I have been laughing over this phrase for a minute now. I think it's the perfect emphasis Ally makes.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:46 (nineteen years ago) link

In any case, the fact that marijuana is illegal is the main factor in why smoking is the most popular method of intake.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:46 (nineteen years ago) link

"No one has ever died from marijuana."

Maybe not from the pot itself, but certainly from its effects (ie. deaths in factories, automobiles, etc.).

― peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:52 (nineteen years ago) link

I HAVE OFFERED ALLY MARIJUANA

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:55 (nineteen years ago) link

dude, don't even bother arguing with him on the topic.

You can roll your own cigarettes with tobacco minus all the store-bought cig additives as well you know.

XPOST IT'S TRUE, THE SAD THING IS I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER HOW TO WORK A BOWL AT THIS POINT, I AM SO OLD.

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:57 (nineteen years ago) link

then I gave cutty a cigarette, which he immediately died from :( :(

― Allyzay Science Explosion (allyzay), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 01:57 (nineteen years ago) link

I roll my own cigarettes and will live a hundred years

― Andrew Blood Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:00 (nineteen years ago) link

"Only one man ever die from the erb. Im smuggling erb between the islands, and im fell off boat and drowned cos im too stoned"

- the singer from some reggae band I once saw.

― Wooden (Wooden), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:01 (nineteen years ago) link

who should not argue with whom on this topic???

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:05 (nineteen years ago) link

people have also died in automobiles and factories without being stoned. No, really, it's true.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:06 (nineteen years ago) link

YOU LIE

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:20 (nineteen years ago) link

People die in cars while sober, how does that effect anti drink-driving campaigns?

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:21 (nineteen years ago) link

Of course, it would still be odd to claim alcohol killed them, but I think you could say it was a contributing factor.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:23 (nineteen years ago) link

some people are just bad drivers, whether they are stoned or not.

some people are just stupid, whether they are stoned or not.

― cutty (mcutt), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Indeed. I always feel odd discussing this with Americans, because for me dope means resin, because it was always far more prevalent here than grass. These days grass is becoming more common, I suppose. I always preferred grass though, even though resin got me more stoned.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Resin always made me feel dirty.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Right, Kevin. I'm not going to argue that being stoned doesn't make you more likely to be in an accident. BUT the government likes to throw stats around like "50 percent of all traffic accidents are marijuana related", which only means that 50 percent of people who were tested for drugs after being in an accident had marijuana in their system. They could've not smoked that entire day, but it's still a "marijuana-related accident". Same thing with on-the-job injuries. Sure, people have been stoned at work, and being in that state lead them to injury. But it's a lot less than the numbers would lead one to believe. It's usually impossible to determine wherther the incident would've occurred if the person was buttass sober. And, regardless, those people are just dumb. Dumb people tend to get injured.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:29 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, I'm aware of the flaws in the way the government measures these things, and I'm totally for legalisation - I just don't understand why anyone needs to argue that cannabis is a totally positive thing in order to justify legalisation. I don't believe cannabis is harmful in any serious way, but what if it was? I would still be pro-legalisation. There are times when it's not a good idea to be stoned - this is irrelevant to any legal question, but the pro-legalisation movement often feels the need to pretend there are no negatives. I certainly wouldn't drive while stoned (hell, I wouldn't drive while sober - I'm an awful driver without a license, but you know what I mean) but I am more than happy to let a friend give me a lift if he's been smoking and is confident in his capabilities.

― Kevin Gilchrist (Mr Fusion), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:34 (nineteen years ago) link

Totally agree. I don't think I've been arguing that it's a positive thing, but maybe it appears that way because I'm just trying to tip the scales away from the dominant IT'S EVIL point of view.

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 02:37 (nineteen years ago) link

GO DRINK BEER YOU FUCKING WHITE HAT DOOSHBAGS

BONG PARTY IN MY ROOM!!!

― Does John Coltrane Dream of a Merry-go-round? (ex machina), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:09 (nineteen years ago) link

Resin always made me feel dirty.

-- Thermo Thinwall (tupac.chopr...) (webmail), November 15th, 2004 6:27 PM. (Thermo Thinwall) (later) (link)

Were you serious about this?

(Cus if so, I agree! I always feel like a homeless dude eating a banana out of the gutter when I do resin hits!)

― Remy (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:11 (nineteen years ago) link

CAN I BRING A BEER TO THE BONG PARTY?
I DON'T HAVE A FUCKING WHITE HAT AND I'M MORE OF A ASSJOCKEY THAN A DOOSHBAG. HOLLA!

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:11 (nineteen years ago) link

I was serious. I always felt like I was smoking motor oil or something.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:20 (nineteen years ago) link

Resin is awful, duh. This is why it's only smoked in extreme circumstances.
Although my friend in college had this pipe that had a resinator in it, and he'd smoke that shit, then put some back in the chamber or something, so eventually he'd have "fourth generation" weed, which was, as was the slang of the time, "the bomb". (No, he wasn't one of those people who obsessed over weed, either. yes, he was one of those who you wouldn't even suspect. Dude had 2 majors and graduated in 4 years.)

― oops (Oops), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:27 (nineteen years ago) link

I should go on record in saying that absolutely it should be legalized! But I will not suggest that its harmless. I know that its not the evil bud that "they" say it is, but it is still not without its problems. Its like my students arguing that it helps them concentrate (which, of course, it doesn't)...therefore offering the "no negatives at all" schtick. Yes, I totally believe that alcohol is a much more terrible drug for society (and most individuals), but I've only had to deal with a drunk student about twice in 15 years.

― peepee (peepee), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:30 (nineteen years ago) link

Honestly, coffee has a more negative effect on me than pot does. If I drink coffee three days in a row then stop, I get a "withdrawal" headache. If I smoke pot three days in a row and then stop, I get the cleaning done.

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:41 (nineteen years ago) link

...so to speak.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 16 November 2004 03:42 (nineteen years ago) link

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