Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

iirc

correct. maybe that was all part of MIB's plan though. aka the island wanted it to happen.

right. only moments after stopping locke from killing himself.

MIB was disguised as Alex Linus/Rousseau last season so there's no rule about him having to be someone who died off the island.

OTOH, the rule that he needs their corpse on the island does seem to be true (Yemi, Alex, Christian, Locke).

Oh wait, maybe not even that. He was Ben's mom at some point, I think?

MIB was disguised as Alex Linus/Rousseau last season

wait what

He was Ben's mom at some point, I think?

wait what

head hurts

don't remember him as rousseau ever

yeah pretty sure that hasn't happened

Alex Linus/Rousseau

i.e. her name should be Alex Rousseau but Ben Linus raised her..

wait no, he did appear as alex, that's right---ben went to the temple to be judged. smokey filled the room and then appeared as alex

why is jacob just jacob while smokey-man has to hot-body, as it were?

yeah why doesn't he just walk around as deadwood guy

deadwood guy was just another hot-body

no point walking around as someone nobody recognizes, he uses locke for a reason

but jacob pre-stabbing might have also been able to shapeshift had he any use for it. or else it seems MiB got all the useful skills

aha: it's not that smokey is limited ONLY to people that have died off-island, it's that he is limited ONLY to *corpses* that have made it to the island?

I was gonna say that jacob can go off island and mib can't but jack saw his dad off island

I think I've kind of worked out what my problem with this whole series is, it's that if these characters are just pawns of these two dudes and we know they can't be killed, then it sort of kills most of the tension stone dead. If people are just running along their preordained tracks then... who cares?

They need to get some awareness of this and start fighting back against both Jacob and MIB pretty soon, but it looks like Jack's the only one getting anywhere near doing that.

Also you've got to wonder why Jacob's been fannying around for 3+ years to do whatever he needs to do, whereas MIB just gets right in there and does it. Hopefully it'll become apparent sometime soon.

why did that goddamn bird say hurley's name!!!

in addition to the lack of tension brought about by the introduction of the chessmasters this season is really suffering on the frackles front

nary a frackle

xp aha: it's not that smokey is limited ONLY to people that have died off-island, it's that he is limited ONLY to *corpses* that have made it to the island?

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this is what i've been thinking too. it was pointed out very clearly by richard to locke that locke had to die in order to "save the island", and these orders came indirectly from MiB. there must be some distinction between smokey controling corpses so to speak and him just appearing as people who have died on the island

Daaaamn I really wish I was seeing these episodes as they aired and not three days later cuz I really don't feel like loading 1,900 messages and figuring out where the hell you guys started talking about the newest one.

frackles fyi

sup etc.

sup frackles
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 5:58 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

fracklin out
― super sexy psycho fantasy world (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, February 2, 2010 7:51 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
I didn't hear one fuckin frackles
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LOL

xap isn't it more like jacob's been fannying around for 300 years (at least, considering the black rock) and MiB got his work done in 3, starting with the crash of oceanic six?

I really don't feel like loading 1,900 messages and figuring out where the hell you guys started talking about the newest one.

ctrl-f March 1, 2010

if these characters are just pawns of these two dudes and we know they can't be killed, then it sort of kills most of the tension stone dead. If people are just running along their preordained tracks then... who cares?

Yeah, and not the only thing killing tension. Like everyone is just sort of coming and going from the temple and...I dunno, nothing feels as desperate like it did in earlier seasons, which for being the last and final season is sorta sucking.

xpost, oh cool thx

actually, wait now: MiB can probably look like ANY dead person, which is useful for being scary and w/e, but not useful for actual subterfuge because, you know, ppl are inclined to be leery of people they know to be deceased. esp when they can see the dead body, right there or w/e.

his plan to be john locke hinges on one crucial detail: smokey doesn't reanimate the dead, he just assumes their form. so, after ajira crashed, ben et al assume that locke has just been reanimated by the magic of the island, and not a spectre, because they haven't seen his corpse. you'd think ben would be wise to this possibility. but: they trudge off to the temple, ben falls through the floor, locke goes to get rope, and THEN smokey shows up. moreover, as alex, he accuses ben of wanting to kill new locke, and orders him to do w/e he says. this seems to be enough to trick ben into believing that locke is actually a reanimated corpse and not smokey.

and maybe this is just a continuity flaw, but smokey HAS appeared as people that never made it to the island, dead or alive: namely, the dudes from Eko's past.

not "continuity" flaw, but you know

thought the dude's from Eko's past were in the beechcraft?

Oh yeah, I was always thinking smokey appeared as the dead dudes on the little plane, but he showed up as Eko's brother, right?

Eko staggers through the jungle and collapses. The black smoke Monster is seen and heard darting through the background. A Nigerian man (Emeka) appears, and throws a machete at Eko. The machete lands in a tree next to Eko's head. Eko pulls the machete from the tree and turns to face three men: one with his throat cut, one with a severed arm and one (Emeka) who is cowering before Eko and begging for his life. Eko is about to plunge the machete into Emeka, but Emeka changes into Altar Boy (Daniel) who puts a finger to his lips ("Shhh", just like Walt to Shannon) and says, "Confess." Eko drops the machete and runs. He arrives at a river and drinks from it

How come Christian was able to appear to Jack off-island?

maybe it was jacob!

How many 'gamesmen' are there?

There's at least 3 by my count:

Jacob
MIB/Esau
Referee (kid in forest)

Possible others:
Smokey (as possibly distinct from MIB, like a helper dog)
Walt(!!!)

I thought off-island Christian appearing to Jack (was it in the hospital?) was due to Jack going kerrazy. I think there's been a deliberate blurring of the line between "hallucinations" and Smokey dressing up - initially we thought most sightings were the characters' hallucinations (particularly Hurley with Dave, I guess, and also with Locke's special LSD Hallucination Paste) but now we know what Smokey can do we are assuming he was all of them. I think it's probably a mix of the two.

there might have been a bit of hallucination involved with Eko seeing nigerians guys also

Hurley's Perfect English Jin hallucination looking more like time travelling ghost, though. Means he dies soon?

The Eko v Smokey thing seems more important in light of what we now know - presumably Smokey killed Eko for not being evil enough, and spared Ben for being an evil little shit he could rely on.

how did ben summon smokey from within the dharma camp again?

and doesn't that conflict with the system in place of keeping smokey out? i wish there was a marvin candle video on smokey.

Multiple smokeys.

oh god

i'm almost certain they had no idea where they were going with smokey at the time of eko's death. it was a serious low point for the show and if i remember correctly that episode was ropey as s**t i think it was new writers.

i think the fence wasn't operable when ben summoned him. how he summoned him though, i don't know

how did ben summon smokey from within the dharma camp again?

ben goes into a secret hole in the wall in one of the dharma buildings and flushes the smoketoilet