If you watch the trailer and it doesn't allow you to say yes or no I think this really is an imaginary amalgam of tons of things. There aren't that many movies drawing on German expressionism - I would think that visual style would be memorable, especially as a relative youngster.
Good luck, Tuomas Quixote.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 14:22 (fourteen years ago) link
Well, the thing is that I remember that the movie had a film noirish feel to it, but based on that trailer Screamplay feels kinda too over-the-top to be the movie I'm looking for. Then again, maybe they just put the most OTT bits in the trailer? I've been able to rule out almost all the other suggestions based on plot summaries or clips on Youtube, but so far Screamplay is the only movie I can't dismiss for certain. Like you said, rapping about not being able to stratch your balls is the sort of joke you'd expect to see in a Troma movie. Then again, 1985 feels a bit early for a movie to have rap jokes... Or is it?
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 14:40 (fourteen years ago) link
white people were aware there was a form of music annoying them called rap in 1985
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 14:53 (fourteen years ago) link
You say upthread you think it was in color, so I think you need to rule this out, too. I agree it seems slightly early for a rap joke, especially in a movie that appears to be an homage to an earlier era. Reading up on Screamplay it seems Troma released it but had nothing to do with it creatively, so that lowers the odds of a ball scratching gender-bender rap sequence even further.
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 14:56 (fourteen years ago) link
screamplay is available for instant play on netflix, somebody watch it already
― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:05 (fourteen years ago) link
Thanks for volunteering!
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 2 March 2010 15:06 (fourteen years ago) link
i've seen 'screamplay' a couple of times (it's great!); it's not the film tuomas is thinking of.
― cb, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 09:53 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh man the Water Babies! I saw that as a kid in the cinema and the drowning/going to the underwater world haunted me for years.
― ABBAcab (Trayce), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 10:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Yeah, that scene was memorably creepy for a kid, that's pretty much all I remember of Water Babies too.
Thanks for the information, CB! I guess I'll have to look for somewhere else then.
― Tuomas, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 15:44 (fourteen years ago) link
had no idea there had ever been a movie of Water Babies
http://www.loc.gov/rr/print/swann/waterbabies/images/05898us2.jpg
― you live in a space battle homo cave (sic), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 22:59 (fourteen years ago) link
Tuomas made this movie up/dreamed it and I claim my $5
― Wet Hot American Oil Spill (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 3 March 2010 23:03 (fourteen years ago) link
You'll have to share it with Ballistic...
they're gonna have a hard time finding a movie that TUOMAS MADE UP...(in his self conscious)
― Ballistic, Tuesday, March 2, 2010 6:16 AM
― nickn, Wednesday, 3 March 2010 23:27 (fourteen years ago) link
Huh it sounds like the movie was hardly anything to do with the book. Should read the book some time I guess.
― ABBAcab (Trayce), Thursday, 4 March 2010 02:58 (fourteen years ago) link
SOMEONE NEEDS TO SOLVE TUOMAS'S MYSTERY TOO!
― john valjean bon jovi (Neanderthal), Friday, 1 July 2011 01:09 (twelve years ago) link
but did rap jokes exist in 1985???
― Ktulu says, I've come to hate my body (wk), Friday, 1 July 2011 01:10 (twelve years ago) link
this sounds like do the right thing.
― Peepee Soaked Heckhole (zachlyon), Friday, 1 July 2011 01:52 (twelve years ago) link
lock thread
― john valjean bon jovi (Neanderthal), Friday, 1 July 2011 01:54 (twelve years ago) link
Tales from the Darkside, "The Word Processor of the Gods", based on a Stephen King story
― little mushroom person (abanana), Friday, 1 July 2011 03:11 (twelve years ago) link
maybe. i'm just looking up descriptions of horror anthology episodes and it seems to fit.
― little mushroom person (abanana), Friday, 1 July 2011 03:15 (twelve years ago) link
looked it up on youtube and it's not the one.
but
Similar Plotlines
A 1940 serialized novel by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, Typewriter in the Sky features the protagonist finding himself inside the story of his friend's book.
A 1960 episode of The Twilight Zone, "A World of His Own," features a dictation machine that can bring things into existence.
A 1991 episode of Are You Afraid of the Dark?, "The Tale of the Dream Machine", features a typewriter that brings dreams into existence.
A 1997 book in R. L. Stines' Goosebumps series, The Blob that Ate Everyone, has a typewriter that writes things into existence.
A 2006 film, Stranger than Fiction, has the main character's life directed by the manuscript of a novel as it is typed up.
A 2010 game, "Alan Wake", features a writer going on vacation, only to find out that the lake he lives near has the power to turn everything he writes into existence.
― little mushroom person (abanana), Friday, 1 July 2011 03:31 (twelve years ago) link
from "the wulf archives" (?): Gender Change Fiction List:
[ UNCONFIRMED MOVIES ]unknown *** New Entree *** A writer's characters came to life. The villan steals the script and altered it which included the hero being turned into a woman for a short while.
unknown *** New Entree *** A writer's characters came to life. The villan steals the script and altered it which included the hero being turned into a woman for a short while.
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Friday, 1 July 2011 05:12 (twelve years ago) link
^ wonder where that came from?
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Friday, 1 July 2011 05:13 (twelve years ago) link
I skimmed through that episode, it's on Youtube, but it doesn't seem to have any gender change or rapping in it. It's not the Are You Afraid of the Dark? episode either, I've watched that one too.
The synopsis quoted by Contenderizer sounds exactly like that movie I saw, though! This is the first time I've seen any evidence that it actually exists. Too bad the title isn't mentioned.
― Tuomas, Friday, 1 July 2011 06:42 (twelve years ago) link
*rimshot*
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Friday, 1 July 2011 06:44 (twelve years ago) link
http://www.avmaniacs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33311&page=1
― Don't start the chain you know? (forksclovetofu), Friday, 1 July 2011 22:09 (twelve years ago) link
The movie you want is 'Destiny to Order' 1989.
Here's the IMDB Page: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099412/
And here's a pic of the main character after changed into a woman along with Michael Ironside (The Bad Guy)
https://www.echobridgeentertainment.com/uploads/01675L.jpg
Enjoy.
― Chewie, Saturday, 2 July 2011 04:56 (twelve years ago) link
lol, a canadian film also released in poland, finland and west germany
MUST SEE!
― And the piano, it sounds like a carnivore (contenderizer), Saturday, 2 July 2011 05:19 (twelve years ago) link
if Tuomas says this isn't the movie I'm going to write a very sad rap about the whole experience
― love in a grain elevator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, 2 July 2011 06:14 (twelve years ago) link
Taglines:As a writer, J.D. is his own worst critic... until his characters come to life
― jed_, Saturday, 2 July 2011 06:34 (twelve years ago) link
He's been waiting 5 years to find out, is he still alive?
― Chewie, Saturday, 2 July 2011 06:54 (twelve years ago) link
Related:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6Z0jiLTIV0&feature=related
― Mucho! Macho! Honcho!: Turn Off The Dark (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 2 July 2011 07:05 (twelve years ago) link
I forgot to ask: Do I win something for knowing this movie?
― Chewie, Saturday, 2 July 2011 08:51 (twelve years ago) link
― love in a grain elevator (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Saturday, July 2, 2011 6:14 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3-LxmrFm40
― skinny arbuckle (latebloomer), Saturday, 2 July 2011 09:21 (twelve years ago) link
Written by Max Power
― just sayin, Saturday, 2 July 2011 09:50 (twelve years ago) link
I'm on the edge of my seat....
― john valjean bon jovi (Neanderthal), Saturday, 2 July 2011 14:18 (twelve years ago) link
Breath: Bated
― She Got the Shakes, Sunday, 3 July 2011 00:12 (twelve years ago) link
goddammit where are you Tuomas, we NEED YOU
― estimate the percent chance that i break my foot off in your ass (Neanderthal), Sunday, 3 July 2011 00:14 (twelve years ago) link
oh my god, this has to be it. This HAS to be it!!
― Doctor Casino, Sunday, 3 July 2011 19:03 (twelve years ago) link
Also Known As: Fikcja czy rzeczywistosc
― Walter Galt, Sunday, 3 July 2011 23:42 (twelve years ago) link
OMG, this sounds like it actually could be the one! The fact that it was released in Finland (and IMDb even gives the Finnish title to it) certainly supports the theory... Sadly, though, it doesn't look like it's available anywhere on DVD, or even as a torrent, so I can't confirm whether it's the right one. So frustrating! Looks like you can get an used VHS copy from Amazon, but I haven't had a VHS player (nor a TV set) for years.
― Tuomas, Monday, 4 July 2011 06:36 (twelve years ago) link
I have a copy. I can Dropbox it for you if you'd like.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 4 July 2011 06:49 (twelve years ago) link
Goddamn the internet is amazing!
― Nhex, Monday, 4 July 2011 06:52 (twelve years ago) link
'Tis. It'll take a while to upload but it's brewing now.
― Kevin John Bozelka, Monday, 4 July 2011 06:57 (twelve years ago) link
I don't know what Dropbox means, but if it means you can share it online, I'd be eternally grateful to you!
― Tuomas, Monday, 4 July 2011 06:59 (twelve years ago) link
you have this laying around as an avi ? like, of all the films you could possibly own?
― akm, Monday, 4 July 2011 07:07 (twelve years ago) link
amazing. finally, lol
― Ste, Monday, 4 July 2011 09:34 (twelve years ago) link
Btw, Chewie, how did you manage to find the movie?
― Tuomas, Monday, 4 July 2011 10:05 (twelve years ago) link
That is amazing. I started that AV Maniacs thread mentioned above several years ago - those guys know every old thing - and they couldn't crack it. Well done, Chewie.
― She Got the Shakes, Monday, 4 July 2011 10:16 (twelve years ago) link
chewie you beautiful bastard
― Ayatollah Colm Meaney (Princess TamTam), Monday, 4 July 2011 10:29 (twelve years ago) link
Looks like there must've been some kind of deal between the local Finnish television channel and the Canadian distributor of "Destiny to Order", because a lot of of obscure Canadian movies (including this one by the same guy who wrote and directed "Destiny to Call") were shown on Finnish TV back in the 80s and early 90s.
― Tuomas, Monday, 4 July 2011 10:35 (twelve years ago) link