― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Monday, 1 May 2006 18:28 (eighteen years ago) link
Looking good - grittier and more atmospheric.
― chap who would dare to be a nerd, not a geek (chap), Monday, 1 May 2006 18:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― i'm from hollywood, Monday, 1 May 2006 19:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― Chuck_Tatum (Chuck_Tatum), Monday, 1 May 2006 20:04 (eighteen years ago) link
though i just saw layer cake, and that was a sack of shit.
― gear (gear), Monday, 1 May 2006 20:06 (eighteen years ago) link
looks much like Goldeneye (in style - no weirdo-invisible cars and stuff that Brosnan got later), I was hoping they'd strip it down some more.
― milo z (mlp), Sunday, 1 October 2006 22:50 (seventeen years ago) link
...And Daniel Craig could be an inspired choice. I was disappointed at first because I had only seen him in Spielberg’s self-loathing love letter to terrorists, but having recently seen Layer Cake I found him to have quite the screen presence and some of the dark grit Connery possessed.The drawback of course is Dame Judi Dench returning as “M.” Her feminist approach creates too many eye roll moments as she’s so obviously there to compensate for forty years of so-called sexism. But I’m quibbling. The producers should be complimented. The last two Bond films made a ton of cash and yet rather than sticking to a lousy formula that was profitable, they’ve scrapped it and started over. That’s no small thing, especially considering the history.In the early 80’s Cubby Broccoli, coming off the mammoth success of Moonraker, decided to bring Bond back to earth in For Your Eyes Only – my personal favorite – but it was nowhere near as successful. So, it should be interesting to see how this plays out.My one major concern? Paul-Hate-America-Haggis is listed as one of the writers. He’s already done his bit tearing down the icon of Iwo Jima. What has he done to this icon?
The drawback of course is Dame Judi Dench returning as “M.” Her feminist approach creates too many eye roll moments as she’s so obviously there to compensate for forty years of so-called sexism. But I’m quibbling. The producers should be complimented. The last two Bond films made a ton of cash and yet rather than sticking to a lousy formula that was profitable, they’ve scrapped it and started over. That’s no small thing, especially considering the history.
In the early 80’s Cubby Broccoli, coming off the mammoth success of Moonraker, decided to bring Bond back to earth in For Your Eyes Only – my personal favorite – but it was nowhere near as successful. So, it should be interesting to see how this plays out.
My one major concern? Paul-Hate-America-Haggis is listed as one of the writers. He’s already done his bit tearing down the icon of Iwo Jima. What has he done to this icon?
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:06 (seventeen years ago) link
I've often thought that there could be something in redoing the original Bond stories as period pieces now -- picturing an England grinding along in a post-WWII austerity, Bond as blatantly bigoted and viciously cynical antihero searching for some sort of temporary release via his assignments. The film Bonds have barely ever touched this aspect of the character except sporadically -- part of Dr. No, a fair amount of For Your Eyes Only and The Living Daylights, my own underrated favorite, as I still think Dalton was a great and perfectly cast actor in a promising but ultimately failed script. And trying to convey all the internal reflections and monologues in the books would be hard. But it is interesting, for all of the Fleming 'sweep' in his stories, just how much of a Le Carre character the literary Bond is in the end -- it's a tension that the films understandably lost early on, because the spectacle provided its own rationale.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:18 (seventeen years ago) link
yeah, i remember reading a bit of the CR novel in a film class, and I wonder if they'll have the torture sequences in this one.
― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:31 (seventeen years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― I.M. From Hollywood (i_m_from_hollywood), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 4 November 2006 20:52 (seventeen years ago) link
― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 4 November 2006 21:00 (seventeen years ago) link
Indiana Jones and The Trussed-Up Agent
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 21:16 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Saturday, 4 November 2006 21:18 (seventeen years ago) link
I'm not going to defend them down to the last word or anything, but I always thought Fleming's own wonderfully biased statement of intent -- "I have no messages for suffering humanity... they are written for warm-blooded heterosexuals in trains, plains or, in bed" -- sums up what they are. Colin Wilson, a somewhat curious man in general, did I think capture what Fleming was about with the title of his study of UK mystery/thriller authors -- Snobbery With Violence. That applies to Fleming's work perfectly, but as I muttered above, it's tempered by two great gifts -- his sense of pace and tension and Bond-as-patriotic-antihero.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 21:27 (seventeen years ago) link
― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 4 November 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link
If I had to pick any of the books offhand -- Casino Royale (the first one, no 'preset' ideas of Bond even in Fleming's mind, a very black ending all around), Moonraker (first full-on megalomaniac supervillian, plays with the idea of one last Nazi counterattack in the atomic age, and actually has my favorite sequence in all the books, Bond exposing Drax at cheating at cards), and On Her Majesty's Secret Service and You Only Live Twice (last fully revised and completed Bond novels before Fleming's death, obsessed with mortality and vengeance, and very much meant to be considered as two parts of an overarching story of love and revenge).
For sheer description, any of the Bond books set in Jamaica or the Caribbean -- Live and Let Die, Doctor No and Thunderball -- are probably the best. That was the area Fleming loved most in the world and it shows (though you could spend a year unpacking all the colonial assumptions in each book).
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 4 November 2006 21:36 (seventeen years ago) link
-- mark s (mar...), Yesterday 8:52 PM. (mark s) (later)
trust me, it works :(
― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 4 November 2006 21:44 (seventeen years ago) link
my favourite was probably thunderball, which had a naked back with two bullet-holes in it, which were cut right throgh the cover
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 4 November 2006 23:39 (seventeen years ago) link
http://www.mi6.co.uk/sections/articles/images/literary_casino_royale1.jpg
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 4 November 2006 23:43 (seventeen years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 4 November 2006 23:45 (seventeen years ago) link
http://img.tfd.com/thumb/c/cb/YouOnlyLiveTwiceNovel.jpg
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 4 November 2006 23:48 (seventeen years ago) link
they have a bunch of objects from the story -- like "man w/golden gun" has a golden gun, some banknotes, a watch, a scooped stilton, a snakeskin, a cork thing i can't identify, and a pic of the girly du jour -- all tumbled together and beautifully lit and photographed
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 4 November 2006 23:59 (seventeen years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 5 November 2006 00:03 (seventeen years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 5 November 2006 00:06 (seventeen years ago) link
― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 5 November 2006 00:08 (seventeen years ago) link
I've been hearing this a lot. It seems like a small concession to the realities of espionage. Who makes a better spy, a heartbreaker or an weathered average-looking bloke? I wonder if the new bond film will take a "back to basics" approach and more closely approximate the novels, which, although fantastical, had Bond engage in at least some espionage instead of just shooting it out with bad guys.
― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Sunday, 5 November 2006 03:49 (seventeen years ago) link
I never read it though. Stinky pages.
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 5 November 2006 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link
Casino Royale has one of the greatest opening lines in any fiction ever.
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Sunday, 5 November 2006 15:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Sunday, 5 November 2006 15:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― If you fuck with Jimmy Mod, you call down the thunder (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Sunday, 5 November 2006 16:14 (seventeen years ago) link
― chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Sunday, 5 November 2006 16:18 (seventeen years ago) link
― milo z (mlp), Sunday, 5 November 2006 16:22 (seventeen years ago) link
― chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Sunday, 5 November 2006 16:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― accentmonkey (accentmonkey), Sunday, 5 November 2006 16:30 (seventeen years ago) link
― ampersand, hearts, semicolon (cis), Sunday, 5 November 2006 16:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― ampersand, hearts, semicolon (cis), Sunday, 5 November 2006 16:47 (seventeen years ago) link
So if I go see this one in the theater, which is looking much more likely now, that'll be the first time since 1989.
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 November 2006 16:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Sunday, 5 November 2006 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 November 2006 17:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Sunday, 5 November 2006 17:29 (seventeen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 5 November 2006 17:35 (seventeen years ago) link
― chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Sunday, 5 November 2006 17:41 (seventeen years ago) link