Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

Like:
Jack is a man, but his kid is a white Walt.
Walt. White. Man

Walt Whitman.

I would like to reiterate that Sawyer shooting Kate down on the escape fantasy bs last week (or whenever it was) was awesome.

nah i'm into character development. as long as the character is kate and the development is death

― david cam'ron (tpp), Thursday, February 25, 2010 3:04 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

agree

"Like:
Jack is a man, but his kid is a white Walt.
Walt. White. Man

Walt Whitman."

Had a totally hysterical Black Dynamite LOL moment with this.

Did anyone else feel like the pacing was really ... weird with this ep? Felt really rushed, like they were trying to sell too many things and not developing any one of them satisfyingly.

Jacob is beginning to really, really annoy me. It seems like he's training Jack to want to kill him, again. At this point I can totally see how MIB would want to take out anybody associated with him.

nah i'm into character development. as long as the character is kate and the development is death

I laughed long and hard at this

this son of jack's is the same one he accused his dad of conceiving with his ex-wife from happy gilmore right? i'm a bit confused cos they way he said "i'd be a terrible dad" to hurley in the jungle didnt seem wryly regretful or secretive or anything.

don't really get what the deal is with jack's dad either since youre getting both apparitions of the dead and corporeal bodysnatching on the island. if he's a ghost why bother with his corpse being missing? if his body was taken over, by jacob presumably, then why wasn't jacob still in it? guhh.

Jack is his own grandpa.

also the specificity of jacob asking them to dial 108 would suggest that yeah someone new is coming to the island rather than it just being a longwinded ruse? but then lostpedia says that 108.WALLACE was already crossed out so fuck knows.

please let it be billy dee

the funny thing about lost is how it's all about mystery and revelations or the anticipation of them and how slow and painful and obvious 99% of it is. not obvious like predictable necessarily but obvious like "yeah the wee dad at the recital is the samurai... ...yes we know... ...look it's obvious it's him the kid's japanese and the guy with his back to us is short and has the samurai hairdo... ...come on... ...yes it's the samurai we know... ...still got his back to us... ...still got the hairdo... ...yes... ...oh jack's walked past him and the samurai's said something to him and yes it's the samurai". so many rubbish and meaningless reveals have panned out like that and you spot it immediately and get bored almost even more immediately. actually that's not the funny thing it's one of the crap things.

jack's dad has been taken over by smokey, obviously, not jacob. claire mentioned her father, pretty obv not jacob.

i agree with cutty above, the idea it's primarily a character based drama (which just happens to be set on a mysterious island with a gigantic monster made of black smoke and endless mysteries) is fucking moronic and smacks of writer arrogance.

"oh why do you plebs care about the island, it's about the characters!"

conrad otm sadly, i think they've gotten worse for doing this. we see flocke's feet as he approaches jin and claire in the tent. it's obviously him. but then when we see his face there's the 'surpriiiise/dramatic revealing moment' music. same when ben turned to locke in last week's in the staff common room.

jack's dad has been taken over by smokey, obviously, not jacob.

well Ilana said he is now stuck in Locke's body, apart from when he is smoke. so if he was using Christian before Locke, why switch? and why did Christian's body disappear when Locke's didn't. Something to do with being on Jacob's list maybe?

same when ben turned to locke in last week's in the staff common room.

yeah but who expected ben to strangle locke last season!

Jack was born around 65 iirc. It's fuzzy logic, but I read someones observations that at the time of the 1977 bomb, jack's appendix scar was about three years old, which would place the surgery (linearlyish) in 74 which corresponds roughly with his mom saying he was "7 or 8."

― she started dancing to that (Finefinemusic), Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:57 AM (12 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this really interests me, the idea that things that happened differently in the flash-sideways timeline could correspond in some weird ways to things that happened to them after the time jumps

I'm with conrad on all these other-timeline "connections." They surely won't be important at the end; it seems they're only there to throw the Losties more bones to play with. But I did lol at Ben being fussy about the coffee maker in the teacher's room, even though the long reveal was stupid.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2lk475l.jpg

the island wanted him to wear a bra

I wanted more ANSWERS this season, not more questions about Jack's undergarments

It totally was a character-based drama once upon a time - I'm thinking the first season when every flashback was a massive revelation. They've got stupider and more impulsive and more unrealistic since the writers decided they wanted to start massively advancing the plot.

I mean, 99% of the problem with the characterisation in Lost is the reasoning behind their stupid impulses - Jack smashing up the lighthouse, Juliet at the end of last season, everything Kate has done in about three years etc.

It totally was a character-based drama once upon a time - I'm thinking the first season when every flashback was a massive revelation.

this isnt really 'character-based' in the way i assume ppl are talking about--yes characters are involved but theyre just plot vehicles; the revelations are interesting not because we care about the characters but because they advance the plot or our understanding of it

Yeah I mean it's not Mad Men put it that way.

feels like the Temple is the last place for everyone on the island to go and where everyone will end up e.g. surely Jack will ignore Jacob and go back to the temple to wescue Kate and co zzz. i would still like Widmore to return to the island for a real showdown with Ben, parallel to some kind of battle between Jacob and Smokey.

Yeah I mean it's not Mad Men put it that way.

if only when they'd gone back to the 50s we'd had christina hendricks riding around the island on kate's horse, smoking.

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From The Onion AV Club today:

The departing cast of Lost is hot property now as new series look to cast their pilots. But it has only ever been a dream of Lost fans that Terry O’Quinn and Michael Emerson, the squirrely dynamic duo with more onscreen chemistry than any of the show’s romantic pairings, would once again be paired together in a new project post-Lost. All manner of spin-offs and Odd Couple-esque scenarios have been proposed by fans, particularly after a recent episode which spawned wishes for a spin-off exploring John Locke and Benjamin Linus as high school teachers in the alternate reality. Other farcical ideas have ranged from live-action Bert and Ernie to a slash-fiction inspired romantic pairing. So what are the odds, really, that Emerson and O’Quinn will ever chew the scenery of a new set together again?

Apparently the odds are pretty favorable Terry O'Quinn as TV Guide reports he is shopping around what they’re calling a “TNT-type” series he has penned for himself and Emerson to star in as suburban hitmen with domestic difficulties. TV Guide doesn’t reveal the show’s details per O’Quinn’s request, but it’s noted that he has spoken to Lost executive producer J.J. Abrams about the idea, and also said, “I really hope this works out because Michael would be in his prime in this. We’d play kind of awkward partners.”

it's called l o s t not s a d h o r s e s

a michael emerson + terry o'quinn show would retroactively redeem every bad thing lost has ever done imo.

i'd start referring to nikki and paulo as "an interesting experiment" and the bai ling episode as "an underrated attempt at minimalism" as a sign of my gratitude.

So Claire is Rousseau now? Nice to see her again.

nice to see you again as well, hugo

for some reason lost seasons seemingly always start out with everyone running around the jungle, making a big fuss about nothing very interesting. hopefully soon they'll have everyone settle down (prob at the temple, as everyone has pointed out).

and i'm glad someone else is wondering about why christian's body disappeared but john's didn't, as that's been bothering me for a while.

dogen and co seem to think the temple is safe from smokey (even tho it seems clear the temple was previously smokey's home e.g. the french team's experience and ben being judged) but jacob seems to know that it isn't and neither side is bothering to explain why.

Difference between temple and the passageways near it (where we've seen smokey) IMO

if they can build an electric fence that smokey can't pass through, shouldn't they be able to make a smokey weapon?

As implied when Locke started stacking the bodies of the Jacob cult people a few episodes ago, it seems like Smokey does steal the bodies and then reuse them - same with Team Rousseau. The real Locke's body was locked in the steel casket the whole time, so maybe he couldn't get it - or maybe it had something to do with this current permanent transformation/leader loophole business.

Dharma was the people with the crazy tech/sonar fence, Jacob people seemed to generally be anti-technology. Or maybe they just prefer weird ash.

i finally get why the others death rite sent the bodies out to sea

the "permanent" transformation apparently happened with the death of jacob, since smokey appeared in the form of Alex right before that.

woah yeah good call (xpost)

xp re: alex oooh good pt - didn't put that together

"spinoff" jokez
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJowaMer7BI&feature=player_embedded

to the Nerds and Rubes:

It finally hit me that the title of this thread is Lost Season 6 - RELAX, and it couldn't of happened at a more appropriate time. People seem to feel bit let down by this season. Lots of little complaints here and there..
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something about this season has kinda "lost" me
last night's episode was the best for sure but there was stuff i couldn't deal with... the mysterious kid apparition, the "smokey"-cam... it might be a side effect of (re)-watching season 1 right now, which is unfair, but—and I am a fan of latter-day lost—the show feels a little more hollow now, not as varied in its textures and moods as it used to be. it's all people running around intently saying cryptic shit to each other. everyone has the same self-important secret agent vibe.
i know the show has ALWAYS BEEN LIKE THAT in a lot of ways. maybe it's just the stark contrast of watching 4 eps of s1 last night then the new one at 2am :D ― amuse-douche (s1ocki)(1 week ago)

I agree the show doesn't feel as gripping - partially because there is less crazy secretive stuff and some of the gripping things from previous seasons like individual story arcs which seem more or less concluded in many cases. Also there doesn't seem to be as much impending doom that grips you in the "omg watch out" sort of way.
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I didn't really like it either, but it's one of those broad audience concessions I forgive the show for - not every viewer is going to be on the internet discussing these theories or remembering exactly how things played out from an episode that aired 9 months ago. ― Nhex, Thursday, February 18, 2010 8:36 AM (1 week ago)

I agree with Nhex in that we can forgive about most of this stuff (in this case the flashbacks when Jacob met folk). That's why I think it's kinda funny when so many people complain about the little things. I can forgive them because they are just Lost fanatics
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whole show starting to feel like a bunch of allusions in lieu of actual content tho

"hey what if we traveled back to dinosaur times and died and these skeletons were us" <--- Hurley's "voice of the audience theory" shtick not cute anymore ― dmr, Wednesday, February 24, 2010 4:12 AM (3 days ago)

I'm sure we all agree that we can forgive hurley on a bad line every now and again.. not sure about your other "complaint"
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this was a shitty episode but it was the kind of shitty lost episode im used, so it was still better than the awful kate episode ― max,

Maybe the week long wait is making your expectations a little higher than normal. I mean the Jack episode wasn't shitty as a whole, was it? I actually liked seeing his kid playing the piano. And the conversation Jack had about supporting his kid (no matter what) is good drama. I'm not despising ever Jack scene (some people seem like they are)
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I mean, 99% of the problem with the characterization in Lost is the reasoning behind their stupid impulses - Jack smashing up the lighthouse, Juliet at the end of last season, everything Kate has done in about three years etc. ― Matt DC, Friday, February 26, 2010 5:29 PM (Yesterday) (which impulse did you mean for Juliet?)

guys you are so selfish. from jack's point of view this jacob character had been manipulating him his whole life. smashing the cool lighthouse mirror was still a douchebag move though. ― shite new answers (cutty), Wednesday, February 24, 2010 1:13 PM (3 days ago)

Yeah, a lot of people complained (or appeared to complain) about Jack smashing the mirror. When it happened I thought "Jack you idiot!" but later I started to thinkin' that in Jack's shoes it wasn't an incredibly stupid move. First of all he is probably still pissed CAUSE I'M BROKEN AND I THOUGHT THIS ISLAND COULD FIX ME ― dmr. He was a depressed alchie off the island and when he came back and thought he could fix everything by detonating the bomb he must have been saddened/pissed when that didn't appear to work. I bet he felt like shit when Sawyer snarled "you killed Juliet". Jack breaking the mirror doesn't seem so stupid in retrospect. What has the island ever done for him? And is Hurley any better because he blindly does whatever Jacob says?

Kate sucks. I agree with all of you there. Sometimes she's in entertaining scenes but that's about it.
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ok so probably the only interesting thing in this ep was in the first few minutes with jack's appendix scar!...
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with the terrible cgi, crappy sets + constant acknowledgment that the characters on-island have no clear motivations for doing anything it's like they've given up with the on-island stuff being 'realistic' at all. either the writers have just given up or they are confident enough that the payoff from the candidates/alt-timeline stuff is going to be so great that the audience will just not care. ― david cam'ron (tpp), Wednesday, February 24, 2010 2:11 PM (3 days ago)

I think the motivations are all clear, or clear enough. I don't know what to say about your realistic "complaint"

the ONLY interesting thing in the LA timeline in this ep was jack's scars.

the writing has never been a++, but i can remember two stupid howlers. jack is going to his moms to look for dad's will. he tells his son he'll be back in an hour. no you won't! you're driving there! why not take your son? it is his access visit. (wonder if mom is juliet or... idk some1.) and then when jack gets there mom says: IT'S LIKE LOOKING FOR A NEEDLE IN A HAYSTACK. i suppose we do all use cliches but come on, make an effort. ― epic board man (history mayne)

Okay was the scar more interesting than claire's axe murder?
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claire so bad lost pretty fucking bad ― conrad, Thursday, February 25, 2010 3:59 AM (2 days ago)

haha what
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Also the randomness of the writing on the cave walls. With that many names how can you remember easily where they all are. Just get a pen and pad ffs. ― mdskltr (blueski), Wednesday, February 24, 2010 6:09 PM (3 days ago)

paper would just decay. cave scrawlings are usually permanent and cooler to look at
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I'm getting more and more of a sinking feeling with each episode of this show. The mystical Jacob stuff has worn thin quickly, and the wrapup looks like it's just falling into 'search for The One/final battle' territory. There's no more eerie menace, just one weak gotcha after another. I'd be delighted to be wrong, but I don't see being anything but ultimately disappointed. ― WARS OF ARMAGEDDON (Karaoke Version) (Sparkle Motion) , Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:21 PM (2 days ago)

Jacob is beginning to really, really annoy me. It seems like he's training Jack to want to kill him, again. At this point I can totally see how MIB would want to take out anybody associated with him. ― Brakhage, Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:39 PM (2 days ago)

So we don't like Jacob because..?
cause isn't as cool anymore?
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Okay, the complaints about the slow reveals are all silly and nerdy:
the funny thing about lost is how it's all about mystery and revelations or the anticipation of them and how slow and painful and obvious 99% of it is. not obvious like predictable necessarily but obvious like "yeah the wee dad at the recital is the samurai... ...yes we know... ...look it's obvious it's him the kid's japanese and the guy with his back to us is short and has the samurai hairdo... ...come on... ...yes it's the samurai we know... ...still got his back to us... ...still got the hairdo... ...yes... ...oh jack's walked past him and the samurai's said something to him and yes it's the samurai". so many rubbish and meaningless reveals have panned out like that and you spot it immediately and get bored almost even more immediately. actually that's not the funny thing it's one of the crap things. ― conrad, Friday, February 26, 2010 1:23 AM (Yesterday)

conrad otm sadly, i think they've gotten worse for doing this. we see flocke's feet as he approaches jin and claire in the tent. it's obviously him. but then when we see his face there's the 'surpriiiise/dramatic revealing moment' music. same when ben turned to locke in last week's in the staff common room. ― mdskltr (blueski), Friday, February 26, 2010 1:34 AM (Yesterday)

I'm with conrad on all these other-timeline "connections." They surely won't be important at the end; it seems they're only there to throw the Losties more bones to play with. But I did lol at Ben being fussy about the coffee maker in the teacher's room, even though the long reveal was stupid. ― nickn, Friday, February 26, 2010 2:14 AM (Yesterday)

When Dogen showed up with his back turned at the piano recital I was all happy and said "look at who that is !. My mom couldn't figure out LOL (RUBE). But yeah, the slow reveals don't bother me. As for Locke's feet reveal(one or two seconds before he actually shows up?) I didn't figure it out at that second even though I knew smokey had to be her "friend". But is that really so bothersome seeing flocke's feet? ("YES! I hate seeing flocke's feet!") Slow reveal or not isn't just cool seeing any old island folk show up somewhere in LA timeline?

Obviously it's cool and that's why it's so funny when so many people appear to be complaining a whole lot (probably mostly the hardcore Lostheads). Lost Season 6 - RELAX - there's a lot of cool shit so far and I for one am liking this season

what exactly was that in the crib? looked like some kind of animal skeleton or something? I wasn't really that much attention and may be way off. Hopefully it's not Vincent. ― peter in montreal, Wednesday, February 24, 2010 5:59 PM (3 days ago)

Looked like a dog skull actually

*some of my words appear to be lost in my little post back there

RELAX certainly is an interesting message to keep in mind when seeing you get worked up enough to write a post that fucking long responding to every little gripe in this thread

i don't get the sense that lorax is being overzealous, i think he's just being thorough.

re vincent, this dips a little into spoiler territory, but lindelof and cuse have already explicitly stated his fate.

RE: LORA X

xpp some dude

I enjoyed contributing to what people have to say. I didn't tell anyone they shouldn't be posting gripes. After reading tons of posts back-2-back I found it odd that there was so much discontent. I agree with lots of the gripes. Because the gripes were so prevalent on my read through over the past 2 weeks of posts, I felt like pointing them out and contributing to the matter. I pointing out RELAX because it is a funny/ironic twist to the title of this thread I discovered while writing my long post.

I never told anyone relax or simmer down

You, on the other hand, tell me that RELAX is something I should keep in mind because I was "worked up" and wrote a "fucking long" post. Do you negatively explain to all fired-up posters that they should keep RELAX in mind? (I prefer to use the words fired-up to worked-up since the latter has negative commutations)

RELAX certainly is an interesting message for you, some dude, to keep in mind when seeing you get negative because I'm fired up baout corresponding with others on how well we feel this season is going. My gripes are very similar to what s1ocki was saying one week ago.