2008 Primaries Thread 3: The Rejecting and Denouncening

OMG ultimate mega-LOL

I stole that from the DMB thread on ILM but it does sort of show a fundamental understanding of America on the part of the Obama campaign that seems to be missing from the Clinton campaign.

Dave Matthews vs. Fleetwood Mac? I may have to change my vote.

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lolhipsterelistist

between this and his bowling score my faith has been shaken.

THAT WAS ONLY 7 FRAMES GOD

he couldn't even finish his game? that doesn't bode well.

what kind of world has this become, where i can even crack a smile over a bunch of kids choosing DM fucking B over bill clinton?

one sweet world.

i think that's a DMB reference, if ben and jerry's is correct.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXNBtj5g930

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/04/02/BAVNVU2PJ.DTL

"Most of the blue-collar folks that knew they needed a president were for (Kennedy), and most of the university students who wanted a feeling for change were for McCarthy, and they thought he had a purer position on the Vietnam War."

guys this is kind of an interesting point

i suppose the key difference is that nixon was rolling into the tail end of a painful dem presidency whereas mccain is rolling into the tail end of a painful repub presidency?

i dunno. when you put wright and the flag pin and michelle o's comments all in a line , and then put that next to DECORATED WAR HERO JOHN MCCAIN, i think maybe a lot of middle americans might have o doubts?

maybe i'm getting em too. gah.

It's too early to predict whether a slowly disintegrating Iraq and the economy will influence voting patterns. Chances are the Silent Majority don't give a fuck about the declassified John Yoo memos.

hoos, that's like the third time this month i've seen you give mccain props, wtf

i dunno man he's just...one of my biggest criticisms of bushco has been that they're sending dudes off to fight in war, and they've spent their whole careers behind desks avoiding wars. mccain at least has been in conflict and would think a helluva lot harder about sending kids with guns somewhere.

Look there's no doubt that hoos's formulation will be the case for SOME Americans, even A LOT of Americans. The question is just how many.

He would think a lot harder and come up with the answer that "Regretfully, my friends, we must start sending our kids with guns somewhere."

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yeah if every american has hoos' thought process (god forbid), we're fucked. i mean, no offense hoos.

though you're probably just playing devil's advocate

"Regretfully, my friends, we must lower taxes on capital gains and further gut the social safety net."

mccain at least has been in conflict and would think a helluva lot harder about sending kids with guns somewhere.

you might think so, but you would be wrong. McCain family obviously completely bound up in pathological psychology of being a military family (daddy issues, sacrifice, etc.) and as such has no compunction about starting more wars. bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb iran indeed.

flag pin

like, really?

isnt anyone else interested in the relationship btw. a president's military service and his use of military force? obv im not a mccain supporter but hoos's point isnt a stupid one--surely a president who's served in the armed forces has a better indication of what it would mean to deploy the military?

draft like the weatherman

isnt anyone else interested in the relationship btw. a president's military service and his use of military force?

Most of our presidents who were ranked generals were wary of war: Washington, Grant, Eisenhower.

lol @ big hoos rejecting obama

http://www.impawards.com/2000/posters/whipped.jpg

That's why I tend to admire Eisenhower more than the other Cold War presidents. Despite mischief in Guatemala and feeling every pressure to continue Truman's heinous legacy, he balked at expanding American military domination.

btw I can't look at McCain in the eye anymore, but I think this "bomb bomb bomb Iran" line is melarkey uttered to placate the right wing. As I suggested on the other thread(s), it's not the first time a candidate "sends signals" only to reverse himself as president.

Had he been the nominee and won in 2000, McCain may have invaded Iraq, but even with Lieberman playing Iago I doubt we would have been subjected to the likes of Ashcroft, John Bolton, Feith, Rumsfeld, et al.

though you're probably just playing devil's advocate

-- omar little, Thursday, April 3, 2008 11:19 PM

i mean i'm not coming out in support of CAPTAIN MCCAIN (or whatever rank he was), i'm saying maybe w/o all those comparisons weighing her down maybe hil is the one to beat him?

man i feel like daria all of a sudden

Most of our presidents who were ranked generals were wary of war: Washington, Grant, Eisenhower

uh, McCain's not a general (also where's Andrew Jackson, on yr list). Plenty of other military serving presidents (Nixon, Johnson, Bush I) were all too happy to have stupid wars costing thousands of lives.

LOL HOOS IS A LESBIAN

way to stay the course and not listen to the talking heads, hoos

uh, McCain's not a general (also where's Andrew Jackson, on yr list)

Shakey, unless you're making a gotcha moment, you know from my original comments that I never said McCain was a general. The question was about "military service."

and, as I've said elsewhere, I'm well aware of Jackson's resume -- that's why I said "most."

my point is just that there's a lot more to military service than being a General - the list of presidents who were generals is really short; the list of presidents who served in the military is pretty long. As such, there isn't really much of a correlation between presidents serving in the military and being dove-ish in the oval office, which seemed to be what you were implying...?

whatevs, its all good

way to stay the course and not listen to the talking heads, hoos

-- omar little, Thursday, April 3, 2008 11:54 PM

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I think this "bomb bomb bomb Iran" line is melarkey uttered to placate the right wing

as with so much else on this thread (some of it from me), that overrates the candidate's wiles by a fair piece, he was just saying stupid shit without thinking -- in this case it's hard to avoid the conclusion that his joke (and i wonder where he heard it from) DOES reveal something about him, but what it reveals may just be that he's got the kind of doomed yet macho gallows humor that so many soldiers in vietnam developed -- what it also reveals though is that he's got a really bad radar for when to deploy it, and this sort of thing may be what undoes him in the end (on top of inheriting the most disastrous republican presidency in modern history; all his actual positions; "your choice: bush iii or obama" etc)

either way, it's melarkey.

Here we go:

http://media.gallup.com/poll/graphs/040308DailyUpdateGraph1Amsdprows.gif

its a fucking waltz

For all the font nerds out there:

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/02/to-the-letter-born/?em&ex=1207368000&en=5516695deb8e76df&ei=5087%0A

take it in kids...

http://www.luckypennyproductions.net/hillary/bitch.jpg

people don't understand, i mean it as a term of endearment

ok enough of that already

some real butthurtedness going on in the comments