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I am secretly glad that Lindsay's arc concluded with her FOLLOWING A BAND. Even if I hate said band.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 12:29 (twenty-one years ago)

i've still never seen this show, but now i want to because busy philipps was in it.

― christo and jeanne-claude (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 12:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think you and I are going to agree re: anything on this show melissa (which translates basically as 'I don't think I will agree w. anything bad anyone says abt this show' because I am a gushy gushy fanboy dork) which is cool obv ('let it go, dude') but can I just say you are insane! sorry sorry. :)

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

cozen OTM.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh the tears when Neil is sitting on his bed with the dummy and you realize his entire family, including his mom, knows about his dad and they all turn a blind eye to it. I thought this was an extremely well written episode in that it took all of the characters out of the usual high school setting to see how they cope.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Let's not forget KRUMHOLTZ. I wish he'd stuck around longer.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 17:54 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't recall Krumholtz?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:12 (twenty-one years ago)

jody you MUST see this show! i'm shocked you haven't already!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Today my favorite F&G minor character is the blonde curly-haired guy who, when Nick puts his hand in his girlfriend's back pocket, says "YEAH, NICK, GRAB ME A PIECE!" and then in the episode when Millie is hanging out with the freaks, he's perving on her and says "I love it when the good girls go bad."

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 19:33 (twenty-one years ago)

I love that guy too, he's always under the bleachers. I think he's called Brian?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 19:43 (twenty-one years ago)

one of the best shows EVAH

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 19:44 (twenty-one years ago)

Rock and roll doesn't come from your heart, it comes from your crotch!

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 19:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Does anyone else think that Millie is kind of hot? My friend B3n and I both think so, but Sarah thinks we are crazy.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

OK, guess I'm alone on that one.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 20:28 (twenty-one years ago)

http://www.asuh.com/images/IMG_3777.jpg
Aw, they're all grown up now.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 20:33 (twenty-one years ago)

who's that on the left?

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 20:35 (twenty-one years ago)

Cindy Sanders.

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 20:48 (twenty-one years ago)

Why doesn't that pic work for me?

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 20:55 (twenty-one years ago)

minor characters:

stroker represent!

the little kid that maureen sits next to on her first day at school (with the glasses on)!

the guy that tells franco abt the dude who broke his leg in gym class!

― cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 21:51 (twenty-one years ago)

Millie has a certain cuteness that is of course a bit on the creepy side, and made even more creepy by her role. By the time she was on Buffy the creepy had bloomed out to dominate. Also she was creepy-skinny. Anyway.

Cindy Sanders is looking pretty cool in that picture! (n/a, just cutting and pasting the location worked for me.)

― nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 22:11 (twenty-one years ago)

The girl who played Cindy Sanders is really annoying in the commentary tracks. She has this really stop-and-start way of speaking and is very self-deprecating in an unattractive way.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 22 February 2005 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I found most of the commentaries pretty useless - *except* for the one where the three teachers do the whole thing in character, which was fucking hilarious. The best are the outtakes - can't believe what got left on the cutting room floor. That scene in Cindy's room where they're dancing and she asks Sam to "serenade" her is so completely, painfully, horribly funny. And the Kowchevski "coming out" sequence also = priceless.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 22 February 2005 23:56 (twenty-one years ago)

Cindy Sanders is looking pretty cool in that picture!

Also - SHE'S INDIE HOT! I'D HIT IT! UNGH UNGH UNGH!

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't see the photo but I never thought Cindy was attractive on the show - she seemed really bland-lookin to me (thus Sam's obsession initially seemed even more shallow to me than it actually turned out to be in the end, ie "nerd desires cheerleader")

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Cindy Sanders looked fourteen!

― Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 00:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I can't see that photo but schweiber!

― cozen (Cozen), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 03:00 (twenty-one years ago)

photo url:

http://www.asuh.com/images/IMG_3777.jpg

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Sam & Neil are on Myspace.

― Ian John50n (orion), Wednesday, 23 February 2005 04:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I've been watching the box set in sequence (I'm on Episode 6) and I've got two questions for you all. First, whenever I watch a deleted scene the weirdest thing happens: after the scene is over, the screen goes black for a while, I lose control of my DVD player and then eventually it shuts itself off. Has this happened to anyone else? Second, when Mr. Rosso sings "I'm Eighteen" is that during the final version of an episode or was that a deleted scene?

― Ken L (Ken L), Friday, 25 February 2005 14:56 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah the rosso thing is from 'carded and discarded' (I think.)

also another great minor character: eli!

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 25 February 2005 15:02 (twenty-one years ago)

I love the way in tht rosso scene nick is so enthusiastic ("guys mr rosso's really good at the guitar!") abt his teacher singing, he does it elsewhere in the series too (when millie sings 'jesus is all right w.me'). he has just this really sincere, all-encompassing enthusiasm for music and its live performance. of course he can take it to border-line creepy and beyond into over-intense near-psychotic (his dry-iced, headphoned performances along w.rush). james franco's sexy fuck-me teeth-flashing in that scene, when he starts singing along too (!!!), is also awesome.

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 25 February 2005 15:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I love the way in tht rosso scene nick is so enthusiastic ("guys mr rosso's really good at the guitar!") abt his teacher singing
Yup.

Did all teenagers listen to The Who back in 1981 tho'?

The anachronisms (this one didn't seem so off) are really annoying.

The anachronisms really don't bother me at all

This isn't an anachronism. 1980 was still part of the classic rock era. The number one song in the yearly poll on WNEW-FM, "Where Rock Lives," (but my cabdriver was playing it yesterday, instead of a classic rock station, now it is a classic disco station!) was "Won't Get Fooled Again" year after year back in those days. In fact, the only quibble I've found is when Ken says to Nick "Why would you even know that song?" about Chicago's "25 or 6 to 4." I don't see any good reason why Ken wouldn't know it himself.

I'm into the second half of my marathon viewing- last episode on fourth disc. Wish me luck.

― Ken L (Ken L), Sunday, 27 February 2005 11:38 (twenty-one years ago)

The way everyone loves this show so much makes me want to say I hate it.

But I don't hate it, I just feel strangely disconnected from it. And I do think it's fairly flawed. But something about it just doesn't ring quite emotionally true.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Sunday, 27 February 2005 11:40 (twenty-one years ago)

the way everyone loves this show so much makes me want to say I hate it.

do you trust this instinct (assuming its an instinct)?

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 27 February 2005 12:06 (twenty-one years ago)

How do you mean?

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Sunday, 27 February 2005 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

why are you watching it then?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Sunday, 27 February 2005 18:28 (twenty-one years ago)

i recline corrected on the Who.

I'm a bit in the Melissa camp and think I've realized my particular issues. yes, it rings a bit true, but one, i'm just a little too young for it. two, the people i went to high school with were a lot smarter. also, urban. also, richer.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 27 February 2005 18:34 (twenty-one years ago)

Hmm, the smarter thing might be it. In high school, I was light years beyond these people, and even Lindsay's issues are ones I had moved beyond by the age of 12.

― Melissa W (Melissa W), Sunday, 27 February 2005 18:38 (twenty-one years ago)

two, the people i went to high school with were a lot smarter. also, urban. also, richer.

Cue Slacker thread. They may have been "richer" and "urban," but the unique group of geniuses you grew up with exists primarily in your head.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 27 February 2005 18:40 (twenty-one years ago)

oh yes, i forgot. you are an authority on the matter, in fact.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 27 February 2005 18:45 (twenty-one years ago)

I just find adolescent elitism tiresome and delusional. Maybe it makes you feel better to think you're part of a super-special bourgeois cadre, but that doesn't seem to bear any relation to reality. Sorry.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 27 February 2005 18:48 (twenty-one years ago)

yes, i was mentioning these things to feel part of some special cadre, not to understand. it must have been momentary forgetfulness on my part to refer to the students at my high school as merely smarter than those on a tv show, rather than among the best in the nation.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Ooh. Look at me, I'm so fancy. I figured out all my personal issues by the age of 14. I never worried about my masculinity, nor about my parents getting divorced. Likewise, I'd made perfect peace with my uncooperative and late-blooming adolescent body, and I never did incredibly, absurdly, dorky things past the age of 12. I can't relate to Sam because I'm too smart, too literate, too urban. It's such a flawed show.

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:46 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm not (and I don't think others are) saying that I (we) can't relate to the show or that it lacks universality. I am trying to understand why, given its partial true-to-lifeness, it feels off in its mise-en-scene. And the answer is because my mise was different. Sorry about that. I guess I shouldn't post things that don't interest particular other people.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:48 (twenty-one years ago)

In high school, I was light years beyond these people, and even Lindsay's issues are ones I had moved beyond by the age of 12.

this is interesting too. I think big-city kids may find the show off because they grow up faster, in certain respects.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:50 (twenty-one years ago)

the way everyone loves this show so much makes me want to say I hate it.

I don't want to insult you, mel, it's not what I'm trying for, cs if I was I wouldn't hand around this thread and argue with you, or talk with you, but this seems a silly line to take to me. a reaction that when I have it, I immediately distrust it and start to examine why it is and how its come to be tht I'm feeling it. but this may be a mere difference in temperament & feeling.

lindsay's issues are those that the whole of the educational archipelago & the rest of thence-informed society urgent & key needs to move past, or rather address. when lindsay says she might not want to attend the academic summit because 'it's dumb!' she might be articulating in a really adolescent way but what she's articulating is maybe so powerful because of the juvenility of the idea and because it's so obvious, so there: that a summit of the 'greatest young minds' of the country sitting around class learning might just be 'dumb' (clue: it's not dumb but it does help replicate - by being another part of the mechanics of replication - more of the shit tht holds these people (clue: 'freaks') (clue: 'geeks') (tho tht power line doesn't split equally) in sway). i.e., the summit is not the way out of the mire lindsay's already in, it's not a way forward but a way to remain still. the writer's of F&G may only half know this, the writers of 'if....' may be set in horror at it, but (brecht brecht) (as in jaw jaw) desquirrelling (how many ls, how many rs) this or these ideas are now our job, because culture is full of little bombs for the future's past.

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

not 'so there' as in 'nyah nyah' but as in 'so there'.

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:52 (twenty-one years ago)

So was mine! What's interesting about a TV show like F&G isn't its universality (otherwise we'd all be watching the same bland generic shit) but its particurity. Its uniqueness of character, quality, location, situation - all of these are the draws. And I'll be damned if anybody (including the writers of the show) had an experience identical to anything on the show, despite what they may claim. F&G is - in some respects - even more scripted/choreographed than other episodic dramas because it uses such a believable scenario as its method of storytelling. I don't mean to sound snarky (I did above, and I'm sorry) but what's appealing about that show is how easy it is to relate to the protagonists IN SPITE of their weirdness.

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:56 (twenty-one years ago)

err, that's an x-post to gabbneb.

― Remy (null) (x Jeremy), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:57 (twenty-one years ago)

haha, a lot of my interest in this show is political and it's funny too!

― cozen (Cozen), Sunday, 27 February 2005 19:58 (twenty-one years ago)

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