2008 Primaries Thread 2: THE QUICKENING

certainly a tentacled genius xpost

i get so sick of this, i just want obama to win okay? fuck i've been a vikings fan my whole life just give me this one god ok????

^^^^^^^ this

i get so sick of this, i just want obama to win okay? fuck i've been a vikings cubs fan my whole life just give me this one god ok????

fixed for my purposes

does anyone honestly give a fuck about these lame "plagiarism" attacks? is that really the best Hillary can do?

Best she can do? She's pulled to, what, within a point of Obama in WI in a week's time? She's doing okay.

But, yes, please just let Obama wrap this thing up soon, for 1000 reasons I've set forth above.

plagiarism hits harder than kindergarten ambitions. as soon as he's charged with stealing lunch money this thing is over.

Most LULZ I've had this week:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjrXhbQA2Jk

wow, that needs to be put in a time capsule.

The plagiarism attack is dumbass but the sort of dumbass thing that can get people's attention. I guess it's good to see if Obama can shake it off, because it's a sort of dumbass thing that will happen a lot in the general election and it would be good to see that he can overcome them.

are we seriously attributing the variance in Hillary's polling to the plagiarism thing

i think its more the perception that hillary is asserting herself gives ppl more confidence in her abilities to take down mccain?

obama town hall in san antonio was well attended. venue only held maybe 3500 which was dumb because there was a line of people snaking around 10 blocks (altho he did talk to the people waiting outside first, so silver lining there for them). managed to snap a few photos, might could post em tonight.

are we still arguing about why hillary has a bump? she always does better on weekends - less elderly people are more likely to be out and about - and this was a 3-day one. remember the holiday travel day poll in december where she went way up?

how could i forget

are we still arguing about why hillary has a bump? she always does better on weekends - less elderly people are more likely to be out and about - and this was a 3-day one. remember the holiday travel day poll in december where she went way up?

You mean like the Washington, Nebraska, Maine weekend after Supertuesday?

xp lol

You mean like the Washington, Nebraska, Maine weekend after Supertuesday?

I wasn't aware that one caucused from inside their house

jmc, i don't think you want to go after anyone for the sorts of trivia they store away

THE CAUCUS IS COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE

I'm not "going after" you, gabb, I just thought it was a good zing.

More Reasons Why I Want Obama To Wrap It Up Soon

Someone at the DNC, or other party organization should be putting together a campaign apparatus in waiting that will take on the Republican nominee until a clear Democratic winner can take over.

this would seem a little more proactive than, say, bitching about tight the race is.

Shouldn't be that hard, right? Basically, if you're the DNC, divide your day into two broad categories: (a) Avoiding Disasterous Convention Fight and (b) Prepare Now to Beat Grizzled Old John McCain.

xp sorry gabb, I thought you were talking about voting weekend bumps.

Encounters Of The Bump And Grind

I think we know who won here - http://politicalwire.com/archives/2008/02/19/exit_polls.html

obamarama

holy shits!

yay women xpost

Women: Obama 51%, Clinton 49%
Families with income under 50,000: Obama 51%, Clinton 49%

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/76858962.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1937EB7531422ED89F60F0DE3C6E3311298284831B75F48EF45

pretty narrow margins but still...

man I just wish this was over and Obama had won already, these next few weeks listening to Hillary get more frustrated and desperate are gonna be real unpleasant

Relieved to see he's (apparently) winning but if things are only going to get uglier I don't think I can stand to watch.

putting this stupid plagiarism thing to rest

Having the "plagiarized" party on your side obviously a huge advantage here, I would think.

Without naming him, Axelrod then took a shot at Wolfson: "Our buddy in the ugly sweater will show up on your show and try to make this and other things an issue. Anything they can grab on to now."

haha HE CALLED YR SWEATER UGLY oooh snaps

http://www.theautographgallery.com/gallery/2402.jpg

are we still arguing about why hillary has a bump?

BUN IN THE OVEN LOL

I am a little surprised at how easily everyone has brushed off this whole "plagiarism" thing. It's not a deal breaker in regards to my support for Obama; but I gotta say it was sort of a let down. Here's how Learned about it...

I come in to the apartment after work, turn on tv, Chris Mathews is on. He shows a clip of the Obama response to all this "no substance" b.s. The whole "just words" argument was pretty nice.

Then, Matthews cuts the clip and follows it with the other speech (forgetting the Governor's? name). I just felt a little let down. I am a big fan of Obama's speeches, but lifting something verbatim is a little absurd. He could have easily referenced the other speech without skipping a beat.

Do you think that if Hillary's campaign was fueled in large part by powerful speeches (as Obama's certainly is), she wouldn't be receiving similar criticism?

Just want to get some responses here. Everyone is just calling it nonsense, but I think it may have done some damage.

Just want to get some responses here.

no shit

well if obamas version of events is true the guy who originally said those words suggested he use them - which is a lot more like speech writing than plagiarism

That Chris Matthews ran this story (and Bill O'Reilly, Brian Williams, etc) suggests how much the punditocracy feasts on minutiae to keep itself entertained. Honestly, I wouldn't have cared had HRC been the one accused. These things keep the political classes entertained. I didn't give a damn about her LBJ remark either.

want some NRO fun? the only way that obama's mama and obama's daddy could have married would be that they was COMMIENISTS!

OH LAWD THERE'S STILL COMMUNISTS EVERYWHERE

actually kingfish i think that's an interesting piece, and one that might very likely be true. now as to its RELEVANCE that's a whole other deal, but certainly the circumstances of interracial relationships during that time frame are interesting, especially considering the obvious cultural opposition that they faced (and still face).

the guy who originally said those words suggested he use them

and not to be all cap'n-save-a-O, but I wonder how much of Patrick's speech was informed by Obama's ideas, if they are in fact as close as both parties are suggesting.

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# Seniors: Clinton 60%, Obama 39%

loldsters

both msnbc and ccn wont call it for obama but theyre saying he has a lead based on exit polls - i dont think ive heard them use this formulation before - its either calling it from exit polls or wait and see

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I wouldn't be surprised if Patrick's speech was informed but the same ideas, but that line was pretty solid. you can hear the response in the crowd when Obama uses it.

I don't know. just thought it was kind of lame. probably because I saw the clips in succession on a talk show. If it were merely explained to me, or I read about it, the effect wouldn't have been the same.

mccain launching scare campaign 08 right now

Man, this article. I know BritBart is a Drudge cohort, but this one appears to be from the AP wire. And two lines in it are amazing:

• Obama leading in Wisconsin over a “fading Hillary Rodham Clinton”
• Obama is “cut(ting) deeply into Clinton's political bedrock”

If that's the way the media stories read coming out of Wisconsin, it may be too late for HRC.

mccain launching scare campaign 08 right now

What's he saying?