the USA, Israel, and national interest

listen to enough radio dramatizations of john lecarre and you start basically assuming that your sister is working for the russians until proven otherwise

It fits exactly the kind of thing that Mossad is famous for - barrelling in and killing people and then being surprised when anyone kicks up about it.

p sure mossad is famous-er for not really giving 1x fuck if people kick up about it.

(not really sure if ex-fatah guys count as "turncoats" in this context, vicar.)

"each and every word" yeah, i doubt it will be possible for your avg news-reading citizen to get an accurate account of wtf happened here. which is kind of the point, but then, if acts like this are meant to "send a message", well, to whom? and what's the message anyway?

the act wasn't *just* to send a message

right, i'm skipping a few sentences -- the act was to kill the guy. but ALSO to be shown doing it, right? assuming for a minute that the "sloppiness" was in fact purposeful.

it's the most interesting story in the news right now - isn't it a good reason for itself?

why the hell would they want to be thought of as sloppy? maybe to lure hamas into complacency. no, apply occam's razor or whatever. they fucked up. if they wanted to make a show of it, they could have done something more spectacular, no?

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a show for the folks at home maybe? or going off my cheney-thinking from earlier, letting some of the brighter young things within the intelligence services off the leash a little?

you guys have good imagination

hey if you told me in mid 2001 what the next ten years would look like, i'd have have cracked a few tinfoil hat jokes myself.

sometimes decisions get made for the weirdest reasons

a better show for the folks back home is this guy is killed and that's all she wrote. everyone would know it was mossad anyway. all this kerfuffle hardly burnishes their reputation for being stone cold pros.

Apart from his remaining dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjwRXicA9Gs

DO NOT WANT

lol Hamas is such a joke

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1153316.html

say wuuuuuuut

The police chief also said that travelers suspected of being Israeli will not be allowed into the United Arab Emirates even if they arrive with alternative passports.

He did not explain what procedures would be used to identify the Israeli visitors, except that the police will "develop skills" to recognize Israelis by "physical features and the way they speak."

Hamas seems like the Democratic Party to me

btw, an imposed-from-without solution is the only way.

Those new entry procedures in the UAE seem oddly similar to the sophisticated techniques for spotting subverts used at Ben Gurion airport.

crazy, paranoid israel. it's as if they'd had a large number of terrorist attacks or something!

Those new entry procedures in the UAE seem oddly similar to the sophisticated techniques for spotting subverts used at Ben Gurion airport.

― The New Dirty Vicar, Wednesday, March 3, 2010 8:09 AM Bookmark

Considering that they've stopped multiple attempts to bring explosives aboard planes by people who were ethnically European, I don't think so.

He did not explain what procedures would be used to identify the Israeli visitors, except that the police will "develop skills" to recognize Israelis by "physical features and the way they speak."

you could charitably interpret this to mean the same kind of quick profiling that israeli airport security does

if you were in a charitable mood

I'm actually talking about arrivals in Ben Gurion, not departures.

Considering that they've stopped multiple attempts to bring explosives aboard planes by people who were ethnically European, I don't think so.

Eh? When, who?

interestingly, BG began being hardass after an attack by terrorists who were neither arab nor european in appearance

LOL Bibi

Also LOL Grauniad:

"This article was amended on 18 March 2010. The original text described Hagai Ben-Artzi as the husband of Binyamin Netanyahu's wife. He is her brother. This has been corrected."

ugh fuck these people

seriously can't believe how craven and cynical a stunt that is

the President is angry that Israel can't be trusted to follow international law/abide by signed agreements/follow through on promises = THE PRESIDENT HATES JEWS

yeah right

or there's abe foxman calling david petraeus an anti-semite for pointing out that israel's treatment of the population in the territories makes it hard for the US to have good working relationships with militaries in the region.

general david petraeus? more like grand wizard david petraeus!!

Don't know who Abe Foxman is, but Bibi's brother is obv. a moron, so I wouldn't take it too seriously

Foxman's head of AIPAC or something right?

or JDL? I can't keep these douchebags straight

oh the Anti-Defamation League

What would happen if the neo-cons, the Christian-right and the Shas/settlers all got their druthers and all of historic Israel was judaized? How many years of no second coming would it take for the Xtianists to get bored or distracted? How many years would it take the settlers to no longer care about their erstwhile Xtian allies?

I've been in the same room as Mr. Foxman. I found him unpersuasive.

What would happen if the neo-cons, the Christian-right and the Shas/settlers all got their druthers and all of historic Israel was judaized?

I can't help thinking the beast would destroy itself from within in pretty short order -- all those groups have more than their RDA of the power-hungry and self-righteous, they'd be manufacturing internal conflicts over doctrinal minutiae in six minutes flat.

You know what they say: two Jews, three opinions.

they'd be manufacturing internal conflicts over doctrinal minutiae in six minutes flat.

I tend to agree. They are so blatantly using each other as means.

I mean when your group identity is one of oppression and victimhood, and I'm not speaking for the settlers here as much as the American/Religious Right (from experience), the wind really goes out of your sails when you can't claim that anymore. You'd think people would be happy to get what they said they wanted, but that's never the case, is it.

yep Laurel OTM

You know what they say: two Jews, three opinions.

never heard this aphorism before but LOL

What?! C'mon, there's also the one about the Lutheran who was stranded on a desert island -- when the rescuers came several years later, he gave them a tour: "This is the first church I built, right after I washed up here...and over there is the church I built after the schism from the first one."

hahahahahaaa

What would happen if the neo-cons, the Christian-right and the Shas/settlers all got their druthers and all of historic Israel was judaized?

I have seen some mainstream Israeli (or pro-Israel) commentators saying "I don't know if this is such a good idea" wrt the alliance with the US Christian Right. I understand that the Christian rightwingers want a Jewish state in all of EI/MP to fulfill some Biblical prophesy, the next stage of which is that said Israeli Jews are meant to convert to Christianity en masse. I suspect that this is not likely to happen, which might make the Christian rightwingers a bit annoyed.

As an aside, someone I know once pretended to be an Irish Christian Zionist to travel along with some Israeli right wingers taking part in a protest against the Gaza evacuation. When asked about how things went with the Irish Christian Zionists he answered truthfully that they were not particularly strong.

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2010/jun/10/failure-american-jewish-establishment/