Katrina's aftermath

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"George Bush doesn't care about black people" --- who was that guy?

Mike Donn, Friday, 2 September 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

i just wanna say that cnn's coverage has been pretty solid. yeah, the same looter pictures for 4 days, and aaron brown makes me want to retch, and anderson cooper's more mawkish moments have made me squirm a little, but damn, they have been slamming people left and right and done some serious and vital reporting. the visible frustration on their anchor's faces...wow. and jack cafferty (!!!) finally has a noble use for his usal blowhardisms! he has been slamming the government for a week. vehemently. it's like a live-action version of Network. has there been much criticism of the networks for not going all out in their coverage? whenever i flip to nbc or whatever and see that Joey or big brother is still on i find it hard to believe.

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 2 September 2005 23:54 (twenty years ago)

who knew soledad o'brian had it in her!! (and i have new respect for miles o'brian. someone i never really paid much attention to. and paula zahn has been really tough too.)

scott seward (scott seward), Friday, 2 September 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

It's probably too late, but according to Juan Gonzalez on Democracy Now, fewer people own cars (or the like) in New Orleans than in any other major U.S. city. (I sort of remember that fact being discussed last year, when they discussed the possibility of just this type of catastrophe.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)

"George Bush doesn't care about black people" --- who was that guy?

Kanye West

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:05 (twenty years ago)

One of those unknown rappers I've heard so much about lately.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:06 (twenty years ago)

DID ANYONE SEE KANYE WEST ON THE RED CROSS PRESENTATION ON NBC?

cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:06 (twenty years ago)

local news talking to a guy loading up his RV with emergency supplies & gear to drive the 2800 miles from Portland:

"yeah, it'll take 3 or 4 days to get there, but along the way, you really feel like you're doing something"

and i understand completely.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 00:44 (twenty years ago)

wsj.com comes up with a bit of dry humor:
Fox News's Shepard Smith reports that downtown and French Quarter buildings appear to be in "pretty good shape." He adds, on the aid now flowing in: "Meals and water are a great idea, but they were a great idea four days ago, frankly."

lyra (lyra), Saturday, 3 September 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)

(from the American Psychological Association)

For those struggling to cope from afar

Even if you were not in the actual disaster, you may experience a
sense of vulnerability from witnessing the results of the disaster.

This can be especially acute if a relative or friend was affected by the disaster, particularly if you have been unable to get news on their welfare.

- Take a news break. Watching endless replays of footage from the
disaster can make your stress even greater. Although you'll want to
keep informed - especially if you have loved ones affected by the
disaster - take a break from watching the news.

- Be kind to yourself. Some feelings when witnessing a disaster may
be difficult for you to accept. You may feel relief that the disaster
did not touch you, or you may feel guilt that you were left untouched
when so many were affected. Both feelings are common.

- Keep things in perspective. Although a disaster often is horrifying, you should focus as well on the things that are good in your life.

- Find a productive way to help if you can. Many organizations are set up to provide financial or other aid to victims of natural disasters. Contributing can be a way to gain some “control” over the event.

- Control what you can. There are routines in your life that you can continue and sometimes you need to do those and take a break from even thinking about the disaster.

- Look for opportunities for self-discovery and recognize your strengths. People often learn something about themselves and may find that they have grown in some respect as a result of persevering hrough hardship. Many people who have experienced tragedy and adversity have reported better relationships, greater sense of personal strength even while feeling vulnerable, increased sense of self-worth, deeper spirituality, and heightened appreciation for life.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Saturday, 3 September 2005 02:09 (twenty years ago)

Also heartening to see, re helping out:

Our hearts go out to everyone who has been affected by Katrina, especially all of our LJers in the area. If you'd like to help, there are many ways to donate. LiveJournal will donate 25% of our Gift Shop merchandise sales for the month of September (this includes the Frank poster pre-sale) to the relief efforts.

Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 3 September 2005 02:25 (twenty years ago)

They cut Kayne's line about Bush on the CNBC rebroadcast.

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 September 2005 02:44 (twenty years ago)

it'll only be shown on tv once, but it'll be passed around the internet for a long long time.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 03:11 (twenty years ago)

Oh my goodness I just downloaded a clip of it. Wow. Fuckin' good on him. He looked so panicked and desperate.

Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 3 September 2005 03:12 (twenty years ago)

Unfortunately, according to both the link that Jimmy Mod posted and a fan group at yahoo, Alex Chilton is currently unaccounted for:

http://theposies.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=134
(don't just read the first few messages)

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/alexchilton/messages

Damn. He was okay on Monday; then his place flooded. Though there's a chance he's in the French Quarter, or on a bus heading somewhere... without a phone ... his friends seem to be trying to get the word out about him, in hopes of a Fats-type resolution.

Lurky McLurk, Saturday, 3 September 2005 05:00 (twenty years ago)

MRE Humanitarian Rations (pdf of full menu here)

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 3 September 2005 07:13 (twenty years ago)

test

Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, 3 September 2005 23:33 (twenty years ago)

(i.e. HURRAY we're fixed)

Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Saturday, 3 September 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)

good work

President Busch (dr g), Saturday, 3 September 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)

hooray!

in not-really-all-that-important-but-still-relevant-for-some-of-us news, SA is back up in a diminished capacity and Lowtax is actively soliciting funds to move the servers from Interdictor's offline building out to Kansas City.

that's got me thinking: can we have a backup ILX ready to go when the servers collapse for a prolonged period? one that each of us knows and are reminded about from time to time? does the Two Weeks board still exist?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 00:07 (twenty years ago)

oops, check that. they have enough cash to move the servers, they're now going more for a collective SA Red Cross Relief fund.

Most of you probably haven't noticed, but the SA servers finally had their plug pulled Thursday afternoon despite the heroic efforts of the people at DirectNIC. While I appreciate what they did for us, their devotion to some websites seems a little misguided in the midst of what is happening. That "what" is hell on earth in the greater New Orleans area.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 00:10 (twenty years ago)


Notes From Inside New Orleans
by Jordan Flaherty
Friday, September 2, 2005
http://www.leftturn.org/

I just left New Orleans a couple hours ago. I traveled from the
apartment I was staying in by boat to a
helicopter to a refugee camp. If anyone wants to examine the attitude
of federal and state officials
towards the victims of hurricane Katrina, I advise you to visit one of
the refugee camps.

In the refugee camp I just left, on the I-10 freeway near Causeway,
thousands of people (at least 90%
black and poor) stood and squatted in mud and trash behind metal
barricades, under an unforgiving
sun, with heavily armed soldiers standing guard over them. When a bus
would come through, it
would stop at a random spot, state police would open a gap in one of
the barricades, and people
would rush for the bus, with no information given about where the bus
was going. Once inside (we
were told) evacuees would be told where the bus was taking them - Baton
Rouge, Houston,
Arkansas, Dallas, or other locations. I was told that if you boarded a
bus bound for Arkansas (for
example), even people with family and a place to stay in Baton Rouge
would not be allowed to get
out of the bus as it passed through Baton Rouge. You had no choice but
to go to the shelter in
Arkansas. If you had people willing to come to New Orleans to pick you
up, they could not come
within 17 miles of the camp.

I traveled throughout the camp and spoke to Red Cross workers,
Salvation Army workers, National
Guard, and state police, and although they were friendly, no one could
give me any details on when
buses would arrive, how many, where they would go to, or any other
information. I spoke to the
several teams of journalists nearby, and asked if any of them had been
able to get any information
from any federal or state officials on any of these questions, and all
of them, from Australian tv to local
Fox affiliates complained of an unorganized, non-communicative, mess.
One cameraman told me "as
someone who's been here in this camp for two days, the only information
I can give you is this: get
out by nightfall. You don't want to be here at night."

There was also no visible attempt by any of those running the camp to
set up any sort of transparent
and consistent system, for instance a line to get on buses, a way to
register contact information or find
family members, special needs services for children and infirm, phone
services, treatment for
possible disease exposure, nor even a single trash can.

To understand the dimensions of this tragedy, its important to look at
New Orleans itself.

For those who have not lived in New Orleans, you have missed a
incredible, glorious, vital, city. A
place with a culture and energy unlike anywhere else in the world. A
70% African-American city
where resistance to white supremacy has supported a generous,
subversive and unique culture of
vivid beauty. From jazz, blues and hiphop, to secondlines, Mardi Gras
Indians, Parades, Beads, Jazz
Funerals, and red beans and rice on Monday nights, New Orleans is a
place of art and music and
dance and sexuality and liberation unlike anywhere else in the world.

It is a city of kindness and hospitality, where walking down the block
can take two hours because you
stop and talk to someone on every porch, and where a community pulls
together when someone is in
need. It is a city of extended families and social networks filling
the gaps left by city, state and federal
governments that have abdicated their responsibility for the public
welfare. It is a city where someone
you walk past on the street not only asks how you are, they wait for an
answer.

It is also a city of exploitation and segregation and fear. The city
of New Orleans has a population of
just over 500,000 and was expecting 300 murders this year, most of them
centered on just a few,
overwhelmingly black, neighborhoods. Police have been quoted as saying
that they don't need to
search out the perpetrators, because usually a few days after a
shooting, the attacker is shot in
revenge.

There is an atmosphere of intense hostility and distrust between much
of Black New Orleans and the
N.O. Police Department. In recent months, officers have been accused
of everything from drug
running to corruption to theft. In separate incidents, two New Orleans
police officers were recently
charged with rape (while in uniform), and there have been several high
profile police killings of
unarmed youth, including the murder of Jenard Thomas, which has
inspired ongoing weekly protests
for several months.

The city has a 40% illiteracy rate, and over 50% of black ninth graders
will not graduate in four years.
Louisiana spends on average $4,724 per child's education and ranks 48th
in the country for lowest
teacher salaries. The equivalent of more than two classrooms of young
people drop out of Louisiana
schools every day and about 50,000 students are absent from school on
any given day. Far too
many young black men from New Orleans end up enslaved in Angola Prison,
a former slave
plantation where inmates still do manual farm labor, and over 90% of
inmates eventually die in the
prison. It is a city where industry has left, and most remaining jobs
are are low-paying, transient,
insecure jobs in the service economy.

Race has always been the undercurrent of Louisiana politics. This
disaster is one that was
constructed out of racism, neglect and incompetence. Hurricane Katrina
was the inevitable spark
igniting the gasoline of cruelty and corruption. From the
neighborhoods left most at risk, to the
treatment of the refugees to the the media portrayal of the victims,
this disaster is shaped by race.

Louisiana politics is famously corrupt, but with the tragedies of this
week our political leaders have
defined a new level of incompetence. As hurricane Katrina approached,
our Governor urged us to
"Pray the hurricane down" to a level two. Trapped in a building two
days after the hurricane, we
tuned our battery-operated radio into local radio and tv stations,
hoping for vital news, and were told
that our governor had called for a day of prayer. As rumors and panic
began to rule, they was no
source of solid dependable information. Tuesday night, politicians and
reporters said the water level
would rise another 12 feet - instead it stabilized. Rumors spread like
wildfire, and the politicians and
media only made it worse.

While the rich escaped New Orleans, those with nowhere to go and no way
to get there were left
behind. Adding salt to the wound, the local and national media have
spent the last week demonizing
those left behind. As someone that loves New Orleans and the people in
it, this is the part of this
tragedy that hurts me the most, and it hurts me deeply.

No sane person should classify someone who takes food from indefinitely
closed stores in a
desperate, starving city as a "looter," but that's just what the media
did over and over again. Sheriffs
and politicians talked of having troops protect stores instead of
perform rescue operations.

Images of New Orleans' hurricane-ravaged population were transformed
into black, out-of-control,
criminals. As if taking a stereo from a store that will clearly be
insured against loss is a greater crime
than the governmental neglect and incompetence that did billions of
dollars of damage and
destroyed a city. This media focus is a tactic, just as the eighties
focus on "welfare queens" and
"super-predators" obscured the simultaneous and much larger crimes of
the Savings and Loan
scams and mass layoffs, the hyper-exploited people of New Orleans are
being used as a scapegoat
to cover up much larger crimes.

City, state and national politicians are the real criminals here.
Since at least the mid-1800s, its been
widely known the danger faced by flooding to New Orleans. The flood of
1927, which, like this
week's events, was more about politics and racism than any kind of
natural disaster, illustrated
exactly the danger faced. Yet government officials have consistently
refused to spend the money to
protect this poor, overwhelmingly black, city. While FEMA and others
warned of the urgent impending
danger to New Orleans and put forward proposals for funding to
reinforce and protect the city, the
Bush administration, in every year since 2001, has cut or refused to
fund New Orleans flood control,
and ignored scientists warnings of increased hurricanes as a result of
global warming. And, as the
dangers rose with the floodlines, the lack of coordinated response
dramatized vividly the callous
disregard of our elected leaders.

The aftermath from the 1927 flood helped shape the elections of both a
US President and a
Governor, and ushered in the southern populist politics of Huey Long.

In the coming months, billions of dollars will likely flood into New
Orleans. This money can either be
spent to usher in a "New Deal" for the city, with public investment,
creation of stable union jobs, new
schools, cultural programs and housing restoration, or the city can be
"rebuilt and revitalized" to a
shell of its former self, with newer hotels, more casinos, and with
chain stores and theme parks
replacing the former neighborhoods, cultural centers and corner jazz
clubs.

Long before Katrina, New Orleans was hit by a hurricane of poverty,
racism, disinvestment,
deindustrialization and corruption. Simply the damage from this
pre-Katrina hurricane will take
billions to repair.

Now that the money is flowing in, and the world's eyes are focused on
Katrina, its vital that
progressive-minded people take this opportunity to fight for a
rebuilding with justice. New Orleans is
a special place, and we need to fight for its rebirth.

-----------------------------------------------
Jordan Flaherty is a union organizer and an editor of Left Turn
Magazine (www.leftturn.org). He is not
planning on moving out of N

Orbit (Orbit), Sunday, 4 September 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4211528.stm

Superdome is clear. 6 days later.

fortunately, Head FEMA Fuckhead feels the need to get this in:

And he warned looters and snipers in the city that they would soon be up against battle-hardened combat troops.

"Idiots with a gun on a rooftop" would not be allowed to derail the rescue drive, he said.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 00:33 (twenty years ago)

Anne Rice speaks.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 4 September 2005 01:37 (twenty years ago)

hey blount/trife, any news from athens/ATL?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 01:39 (twenty years ago)

hotel parking lots fulla cars w/ LA plates, clubs fulla dudes sayin whodie and lil daddy, gas still $3.50 in buckhead, everybody mad as fuck at bush

3, Sunday, 4 September 2005 01:43 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for the link, Ned. On a related note, about the destruction of the real culture and the possible replacement by an ersatz version of it, I am already disgusted at the predictable future photo-ops of the Com-in-Cheef in a boat in a swamp wearing Mardi-Gras beads and a gimme cap pretending to be an adopted coonass (=Cajun, for those who don't know).

k/l (Ken L), Sunday, 4 September 2005 01:46 (twenty years ago)

thanks

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 01:48 (twenty years ago)

8:47 P.M. - (AP) The last bedraggled refugees were rescued from the Superdome on Saturday and the convention center was all but cleared, leaving the heart of New Orleans to the dead and dying, the elderly and frail stranded too many days without food, water or medical care.
No one knows how many were killed by Hurricane Katrina's floods and how many more succumbed waiting to be rescued. But the bodies are everywhere: hidden in attics, floating among the ruined city, crumpled on wheelchairs, abandoned on highways.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 4 September 2005 01:50 (twenty years ago)

also talked to some tulane student refugees yesterday now staying at GA tech, just all real shook about what went down. not a bunch of 19 yr olds like youd think either, lotta broke ass europeans and 30-something vietnamese moms w/ 2 or 3 kids who lost everything

3, Sunday, 4 September 2005 01:53 (twenty years ago)

They said on CNN that just as the last people at the Superdome were being evacuated, the portable toilets arrived.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 4 September 2005 02:02 (twenty years ago)

What does everyone make of the announcement from the US Army Corp. of Engineers today? I'm interested to hear the backlash towards that.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Sunday, 4 September 2005 02:03 (twenty years ago)

It looks like some 504 cell phones are coming back. I talked to some cats from Rebirth and Hot 8 today, things are pretty rough. Labor Day comes at an inopportune fucking time this year, but come Tuesday I'm sending down some drums & and shoes.

Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 4 September 2005 02:14 (twenty years ago)

god help us: Rehnquist is dead

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 02:18 (twenty years ago)

"We will once again show the world that the worst adversities bring out the best in America" -President George Bush

oh fuck off.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 4 September 2005 02:26 (twenty years ago)

Dennis Hastert decided not to show up to vote on the emergency aid package. He was off fund-raising elsewhere.

from WaPo:

In Syracuse, N.Y., former president Bill Clinton was discussing New Orleans's dilemma when someone described the speaker's comments. Had they been in the same place when the remarks were made, Clinton said, "I'm afraid I would have assaulted him."

SAVE US! SAVE US ALL, BUBBA!

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

tomorrow's Jerry Lewis Telethon now for hurricane relief, too

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 02:31 (twenty years ago)

Gov. Kathleen Blanco said Saturday that she expected the death toll to reach the thousands. And Craig Vanderwagen, rear admiral of the U.S. Public Health Service, said one morgue alone, at a St. Gabriel prison, expected 1,000 to 2,000 bodies.

Touring the airport triage center, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., a physician, said "a lot more than eight to 10 people are dying a day."

Most were those too sick or weak to survive. But not all.

Charles Womack, a 30-year-old roofer, said he saw one man beaten to death and another commit suicide at the Superdome. Womack was beaten with a pipe and being treated at an airport triage center, where bodies were kept in a refrigerated truck.

"One guy jumped off a balcony. I saw him do it. He was talking to a lady about it. He said it reminded him of the war and he couldn't leave," he said.

gear (gear), Sunday, 4 September 2005 03:10 (twenty years ago)

the American Humane Society is now inside the disaster zone.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 09:22 (twenty years ago)

although they also are not being allowed inside nola it seems.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 4 September 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

I don't know if it's been posted already, but this video clip is truly shocking: 1) people are being locked in the convention centre (as if they were prisoners!), 2) people are not being allowed to leave NO - I mean this just defies logic and humanity, and wtf wtf are the people in charge thinking.

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 4 September 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

I've had a couple of emails today asking for money for the victims of Hurricane Katrina, and in these sort of things I usually do attempt to do something by giving cash or whatever, but the fact that this is America makes me feel differently. I'm reluctant to donate funds to the world's most powerful nation, when they should be looking after their own.

What do people think? Am I being callous and cold-hearted?

Lovelace (Lovelace), Sunday, 4 September 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

You don't have to give money if you don't want to.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 4 September 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

My question has more to do with my reasoning(if it's right or not) than with being told what to do...

Lovelace (Lovelace), Sunday, 4 September 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

Lovelace: I think your question is legit, but the reasoning is shaky. I completely agree that the "world's most powerful nation" should be able to look after its own. But the fact is that its gov't (and arguably, a slim electoral majority) has chosen not to.

Meanwhile, the people who are the victims of such choices (and who, particularly in NO, had little role in putting BushCo in office) could certainly use your help. It seems to me pointless to punish THEM for the crimes of those in power.

Collardio Gelatinous (collardio), Sunday, 4 September 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

Yes, the qn is surely whether a government is willing and able to help its own people.

But there's a huge lack of tin-rattling here compared to any other recent disaster I can remember (& compared to 9/11 too) so I guess that on some level a lot of non-US people have the same view as Lovelace.

Tom (Groke), Sunday, 4 September 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)

"My question has more to do with my reasoning(if it's right or not) than with being told what to do..."

your reasoning is something you have to work out for yourself. you either give or you don't give. your reasoning is your business. it's true that the united states is rich and powerful.

scott seward (scott seward), Sunday, 4 September 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

I have been reading this thread for days- Thank you, all of you, who have provided links and kept updating with new information. I don't have cable, so I didn't watch any of this-but I've read everything(probably LITERALLY) that has been reported.
I hate George W. Bush. That will probably come as no surprise for anyone who went through last years election with me, here.
The horrible thing is-I am shaking with anger, and want so badly to just punch him, kick him-I mean, I'm a relatively stable adult, living in a peaceful Northeast town in the U.S.-and I actually want to physically assault the president. That's not normal-and I'm not alone.
i talked to my mom yesterday-she's 73-and asked her if she could remember anything comparable to this in her lifetime. Sadly, no. She struggled with it-brought up a few examples, but nothing was comparable. Nothing. She, too, is in a state of utter disbelief.(And most likely would punch the smirk off of Bush's face, given the opportunity.Which would be a great thing to see!)
When not reading every new report from this disaster, I have been talking on the phone with friends and family about it. One thing that I have been discussing, over and over again, is that this SHOULD be a time when Big Government comes back for all of us- FDR style-a time that- and we could it-the government pays for reconstruction in myriad ways. I know, I know, I am spending too much time on Fantasy Island. But...
Please, if anyone is going to argue with me about any of the above, understand how angry and fragile I am right now. I can't take criticism about thoughts and feelings that I am just now articulating- and I have read every single thing on this thread for many days.
Thanks again, everyone, for providing the vital information on this thread.I really appreciate it.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Sunday, 4 September 2005 13:17 (twenty years ago)

Orbit, that leftturn article's amazing. Thanks for posting it.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Sunday, 4 September 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/usweatherpolice

gear (gear), Sunday, 4 September 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)


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