Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

great episode

loved the parallels between alt-Locke and Smokey/Locke, Smokey angrily yelling "Don't tell me what I can't do!" and alt-Locke talking about how frustrating it was to be "trapped" in the wheelchair, just like Smokey is trapped.

also I think MIB wants off the island but for some reason needs a real human to do it, thus his interest in Sawyer - he saved him from falling and it looked like he really didn't want him to die.

and poor Sawyer, trying to climb a sketchy ladder after killing most of a bottle of whiskey.

also comedy closeup on Locke's temp agency interviewer

She's the lady who told Hurley's fortune back in SSN 3.

I like MIB going from "Locke was admirable...the only one who didn't want to leave the island" to "Hey, James, don't you want to get off this island?"

James is going to sober up in about an episode and a half, and start looking for a way to sneak off to the temple.

this was a great episode. the alternate timeline is really screwing with my head though...

the idea that MIB is the good guy in all of this seems more and more plausible to me.

no way, he threw away the white rock

well he is the black smoke after all

Smokey angrily yelling "Don't tell me what I can't do!"

really intriguing in that it was a moment where Smokey actually seemed to have been taken over by Locke, after tripping up too which also seemed more like Locke.

no way, he threw away the white rock

throwing away his own rock would've been a better inside joke tho right

he idea that MIB is the good guy in all of this seems more and more plausible to me.

that was an interesting juxtapostion for smokey to say to sawyer "jacob came to you in a time of need, manipulated you..." when all it seemed like he did was touch him and give him a pen.

What was it Jacob said to Sawyer?

nothing, just touched him and gave him the pen.

xp well he gave him a pen so he could finish his letter to sawyer thus leading him to a life of vengeance and scams

i lol'd at inside joke!

this was a pretty good ep. I was thinking the stuff fake locke said to sawyer about jacob fooling him was total bullshit...then I thought "okay that's cos it's prob all a lie."

hugo for new island president

definitely

really like nice guy business hugo

"The Substitute" is the 4th episode of Season 6 of Lost and the 107th produced hour of the series as a whole.

hey 108 next

Locke = 4

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FourIsDeath

The Japanese words for "Four" and "Death", despite being written differently, are pronounced identically (shi). As a cultural trope, it's often treated like the number 13 in the west, to the point building floors and apartments are (mis)numbered accordingly. In Korean, the Chinese-derived name for the number four (sa) sounds like the first syllable in the Korean word for death (samang).

<3 <3 ilana <3 <3

fake john saving sawyer along the cliff was an allusion to john locke pulling jack up from the edge of a cliff (maybe the same one) in season one, when jack is chasing christian through the jungle. i don't know if that means anything though, these days they seem to just cram in as many allusions as they can for the fun of it.

good catch though!

(There's a big hole in my theory which is that Sawyer's parents were already dead by the time the bomb went off in 1977 - maybe that wiped Jacob out of all history or something?)

Would guess the alternate timeline is the characters' lives w/o Jacob's interference, i.e. the way the man in black wants them to be able to live. If that's true, I'm not sure that 1977 really has anything to do with it. (It seemingly could for the island but perhaps not for the consciousness/lives/etc of those involved in Jacob's machinations.)

We don't know that the bomb went off, btw.

RIght, and it seems improbable that a hydrogen bomb would go off and sink an island yet destroy nothing on it-- Dharmaville, the the base of the statue, etc.

Maybe Alt-Locke ended up having a much better life because Jacob wasn't manipulating him? Except in the original timeline Jacob didn't appear until after Locke had fallen out of the window, so no idea.

there's nothing to say that the moments we saw between Jacob and the castaways were their only interactions.

YESSS FINALLY the black & white rocks!! The writers are reading this thread after all! They even chucked me an "inside joke"!

(It's the one stupid thing I've been wanting to see again since s2 or whenever they found them).

Anyway, great episode, although I felt a bit like I was drunk when I was watching it just because of how weird the tone & directing was compared to recent ones. For a minute I thought I was watching some impressive fan-made shit - when we saw the smokey-cam (esp pausing to check his reflection!) - and a bunch of explainin' and a new location.

the Ben reveal could've been better - it kinda sucks for us to see his back turned when it's obvious from his voice that it's him so why not just get straight to it?).

This is a classic Lost staple and one I hope they will never stop doing. See also "Kevin Johnson" and every reveal ever. I wonder if we'll see Professor Ben in the school secretary's office looking like this

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:4x02_benlinus_snapshot.jpg

er, like this
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:4x02_benlinus_snapshot.jpg

can't wait for the reveal that there was another boat called The White Rock

the spank rock

One other Lostpedia-y thing: Sawyer and Fake Locke climbing "Jacob's Ladder" to get to the little secret sea cave.

xpost the igneous rock

Worst line: "What do you know about realistic!" lol
Not sure about the in-scene reminder flashbacks of Jacob doing his touching. Seemed a bit jarring.

I didn't really like it either, but it's one of those broad audience concessions I forgive the show for - not every viewer is going to be on the internet discussing these theories or remembering exactly how things played out from an episode that aired 9 months ago.

the spank rock

The Yacht Rock.

this was a better-done ep than the first three, so was enjoyable on some level. still have massive forebodings though.

RIght, and it seems improbable that a hydrogen bomb would go off and sink an island yet destroy nothing on it-- Dharmaville, the the base of the statue, etc.

The only way this would work would be if most of the energy from the bomb blast went into negating the energy from the time pocket the Dharma dudes drilled into. Assuming we accept all the science here is bollocks and just roll with it.

The thing we don't know yet is the link between Jacob/Man In Black and the time energy, and what the consequences of fucking with that energy would be for them.

Yeah, according to Eloise the island was sort of unlocked in space, to the point that Dharma had to build a pendulum thingy to predict where it would at any given time. Surely this movement had something to do with the unique electromagnetic pocket inside of the island. And if that pocket were destroyed by Jughead then I can see the island just falling out of its orbit into the ocean.

Would guess the alternate timeline is the characters' lives w/o Jacob's interference, i.e. the way the man in black wants them to be able to live. If that's true, I'm not sure that 1977 really has anything to do with it. (It seemingly could for the island but perhaps not for the consciousness/lives/etc of those involved in Jacob's machinations.)

I for one would be way pissed if the alt-timeline did not fork off in 1977. As for the Jacob interactions, the SSN 5 finale did make a point of showing us Jacob at Sawyer's parents' funeral and then having Sawyer tell Jack that his parents died in 1976. I think the show is going somewhere with this.

Probably we'll soon see teacher Ben telling Locke about how he grew up on this weird island but had to leave in 1977.

the no-plane-crash 2004 timeline has to add up to SOMETHING. we can't just have these characters "randomly" meeting each other in cute ways.

Maybe the alt-timeline destiny is their actual destiny and something that Jacob or MIB has been desperately trying to prevent?

there haven't been any pointers in the show yet but imo something has to be happening in alt-timeline that matters, and that relates to all the island shit. the fibonacci equation. whatever. it can't just be seeing their backstories resolved.

Juliet's alt-consciousness appeared to be leaking back into her real consciousness just before she died. If that was to happen to, say, John Locke, it could be interesting.

sorry, what happened with juliet again?

She was suddenly all "hey we should get coffee some time", like she was somewhere different entirely. Then after her death she told Sawyer, through Miles, that "it worked".

that's true.

id prefer it if there was some tangible reason for the six being the six, for being candidates. not exactly "why these people". but what do jin and sun bring to the table exactly? that, say, another major cast member didn't. their kid? i can't even remember what happened to their kid.

Maybe the alt-timeline destiny is their actual destiny and something that Jacob or MIB has been desperately trying to prevent?

― Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), den 18 februari 2010 12:18 (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

what i thought as well. jacob most likely. as far as the kate flashsideways it seemed to show her way of finding peace or whatever but i'm not sure as to how the theory works with lockes flashsideways

neither jacob nor MIB can be particularly invested in these people's domestic happiness or whatever. jacob wanted them to *do* something. that thing not being done must have consequences beyond locke getting on with his pops or w/e.

Interesting how Jacob tells Kate to stop stealing things, and in the alt timeline she returns Claire's stolen purse

using a stolen car tho

That's true, she should have returned that - in the alt timeline she is 'the gunpoint borrower'

I was wondering though if Jacob actually affects the characters in the new timeline at the point he talks to them, so that their futures are different from that point on. Locke's life appears radically different where Kate's not so much.

At some point they're going to have to address how the heck Ben is alive in the alt - by all rights he should be dead in 1977, right?

lol @ the best week ever recap: "Basically, if this Jacob replacement candidate thing does end up being the crux of this final season, it means the entire show Lost has been about a group of tropical island castaways being filmed competing to win a title."