Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

watched a really good time-travel episode of spongebob the other day. patrick kept eating the tartar sauce that was supposed to defeat manray. hahaha, oh, patrick!

Note photos of Cooper in Locke's cube:
http://lost.cubit.net/assets_c/2010/02/locke_and_dad_1-2848.php

http://lost.cubit.net/assets_c/2010/02/locke_and_dad_1-2848.php

Was just thinking, maybe the fact that Lapidus was supposed to be the pilot on 815 and was supposed to be a "candidate" explains why Smokey killed the actual pilot in the very first episode?

xp Oooh good catch. guess he didn't steal his kidney after all! Maybe he wasn't an evil con man or reformed. Did notice that Sawyer-X didn't look like a guy who'd just mistakenly killed a guy he thought was responsible for killing his parents... guess we'll find out in a few episodes.

Also never put it together this dude bossed around both Hurley AND Locke:
http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Randy_Nations

Re: Lapidus, interesting. I doubt they thought it through that far, JJ Abrams probably just wanted to give Greg Grunberg a quick job. They even got him to speak over the intercom in the premiere... but that dude was clearly never supposed to make it to the island anyway.

uh guys peg bundy's "miracle" was locke qua locke (luvvy duvvy talk)

I'm wondering if Alternate Sawyer is actually a conman at all - maybe he was actually concerned for Hurley's future on the plane.

this show is turning into 30 rock!

ben = tracy jordan ("I'll say something! I'm very sorry I murdered this guy!")
lapidus = kenneth the page ("This is the weirdest funeral!")
smokey locke = liz lemon ("Inside joke." turns to camera, winks)

also comedy closeup on Locke's temp agency interviewer

It was interesting as hell that Ben admitted he murdered Locke in front of everyone.

But then Frank trotted out his "I guess we're not in Guam" face and just started digging.

The comparison upthread to "The Stand" was one that I mentioned to my friends while we were watching the episode!

Where was 12-year old Ben when the bomb went off? Was he still with the Others or back in Dharmaville? He must have had time to get off the Island in this new timeline - unless he was never there in the first place.

this show is so fucked up. i don't even bother asking questions anymore. i just hold on tight and hope that i understand at least half of what is going on.

We don't know that the bomb went off, btw.

But yeah, Ben and Ethan were both kids living in the Barracks, so probably were evacuated.

oh shit isn't arntz a science teacher? The gang's all coming back together!

would be pretty stoked if the whole losties vs the others conflict gets played out in high school form

Charlie is the music teacher!
Frogurt teaches nutrition!
Michael teaches art!
Jacob is the principal!

Brick 2 - Nuclear Boogaloo

are they gonna end up ripping off glee? that would be cool. would love to see locke musical number.

But yeah, Ben and Ethan were both kids living in the Barracks, so probably were evacuated.

But last we saw of young Ben he was with the Others, having recently been healed in the Temple. I don't know that he had time to get back to Dharmaville before the sub left.

michael emerson was on kimmel:

...last night’s appearance as a history teacher in the Sideways world wasn’t a throwaway. “I don’t think it’s just some mild departure. I think it has a big meaning that will play out as we go,”

Most of the numbers we see in Jacob's cave are much higher than those of the Flight 815 folk. I wonder if it was a sort of countdown headed toward number 1: Aaron, born on the island. The 6 who are still around could be necessary to bring him to the island but not true 'candidates' themselves for whatever reason.
Alternately, the names we do see are ambiguous. Shephard could be Jack or Christian or even Claire and Aaron right? Same with Kwon: Sun, Jin, their baby.

But last we saw of young Ben he was with the Others, having recently been healed in the Temple

True, but they told him he had to go back, so it isn't implausible that he did.

fair play to Jacob for not just picking his candidates from GAPDY

also comedy closeup on Locke's temp agency interviewer

This felt kind of Lynchian. She looked like a cross between Ileana Douglas and Jane Adams.

great episode

loved the parallels between alt-Locke and Smokey/Locke, Smokey angrily yelling "Don't tell me what I can't do!" and alt-Locke talking about how frustrating it was to be "trapped" in the wheelchair, just like Smokey is trapped.

also I think MIB wants off the island but for some reason needs a real human to do it, thus his interest in Sawyer - he saved him from falling and it looked like he really didn't want him to die.

and poor Sawyer, trying to climb a sketchy ladder after killing most of a bottle of whiskey.

also comedy closeup on Locke's temp agency interviewer

She's the lady who told Hurley's fortune back in SSN 3.

I like MIB going from "Locke was admirable...the only one who didn't want to leave the island" to "Hey, James, don't you want to get off this island?"

James is going to sober up in about an episode and a half, and start looking for a way to sneak off to the temple.

this was a great episode. the alternate timeline is really screwing with my head though...

the idea that MIB is the good guy in all of this seems more and more plausible to me.

no way, he threw away the white rock

well he is the black smoke after all

Smokey angrily yelling "Don't tell me what I can't do!"

really intriguing in that it was a moment where Smokey actually seemed to have been taken over by Locke, after tripping up too which also seemed more like Locke.

no way, he threw away the white rock

throwing away his own rock would've been a better inside joke tho right

he idea that MIB is the good guy in all of this seems more and more plausible to me.

that was an interesting juxtapostion for smokey to say to sawyer "jacob came to you in a time of need, manipulated you..." when all it seemed like he did was touch him and give him a pen.

What was it Jacob said to Sawyer?

nothing, just touched him and gave him the pen.

xp well he gave him a pen so he could finish his letter to sawyer thus leading him to a life of vengeance and scams

i lol'd at inside joke!

this was a pretty good ep. I was thinking the stuff fake locke said to sawyer about jacob fooling him was total bullshit...then I thought "okay that's cos it's prob all a lie."

hugo for new island president

definitely

really like nice guy business hugo

"The Substitute" is the 4th episode of Season 6 of Lost and the 107th produced hour of the series as a whole.

hey 108 next

Locke = 4

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FourIsDeath

The Japanese words for "Four" and "Death", despite being written differently, are pronounced identically (shi). As a cultural trope, it's often treated like the number 13 in the west, to the point building floors and apartments are (mis)numbered accordingly. In Korean, the Chinese-derived name for the number four (sa) sounds like the first syllable in the Korean word for death (samang).

<3 <3 ilana <3 <3

fake john saving sawyer along the cliff was an allusion to john locke pulling jack up from the edge of a cliff (maybe the same one) in season one, when jack is chasing christian through the jungle. i don't know if that means anything though, these days they seem to just cram in as many allusions as they can for the fun of it.

good catch though!

(There's a big hole in my theory which is that Sawyer's parents were already dead by the time the bomb went off in 1977 - maybe that wiped Jacob out of all history or something?)

Would guess the alternate timeline is the characters' lives w/o Jacob's interference, i.e. the way the man in black wants them to be able to live. If that's true, I'm not sure that 1977 really has anything to do with it. (It seemingly could for the island but perhaps not for the consciousness/lives/etc of those involved in Jacob's machinations.)

We don't know that the bomb went off, btw.

RIght, and it seems improbable that a hydrogen bomb would go off and sink an island yet destroy nothing on it-- Dharmaville, the the base of the statue, etc.

Maybe Alt-Locke ended up having a much better life because Jacob wasn't manipulating him? Except in the original timeline Jacob didn't appear until after Locke had fallen out of the window, so no idea.

there's nothing to say that the moments we saw between Jacob and the castaways were their only interactions.

YESSS FINALLY the black & white rocks!! The writers are reading this thread after all! They even chucked me an "inside joke"!

(It's the one stupid thing I've been wanting to see again since s2 or whenever they found them).

Anyway, great episode, although I felt a bit like I was drunk when I was watching it just because of how weird the tone & directing was compared to recent ones. For a minute I thought I was watching some impressive fan-made shit - when we saw the smokey-cam (esp pausing to check his reflection!) - and a bunch of explainin' and a new location.

the Ben reveal could've been better - it kinda sucks for us to see his back turned when it's obvious from his voice that it's him so why not just get straight to it?).

This is a classic Lost staple and one I hope they will never stop doing. See also "Kevin Johnson" and every reveal ever. I wonder if we'll see Professor Ben in the school secretary's office looking like this

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:4x02_benlinus_snapshot.jpg