Marijuana: Classic or Dud?

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max, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 15:19 (sixteen years ago)

less potent than a valium, more of an anti-anxiety than a tranq

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 16 February 2010 15:20 (sixteen years ago)

you can function on xanax without being a zombi

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 16 February 2010 15:20 (sixteen years ago)

makin an appointment with my dr

you have to forgive me (surm), Tuesday, 16 February 2010 15:23 (sixteen years ago)

valium is technically anti-anxiety too

max, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 15:26 (sixteen years ago)

mmm valium

you have to forgive me (surm), Tuesday, 16 February 2010 15:47 (sixteen years ago)

the night's sleep you get on valium and red wine is...like floating on a cloud of titties

sir ilx-a-lot (cutty), Tuesday, 16 February 2010 16:01 (sixteen years ago)

diazeBAM

werewolf bar mitzvah of the xx (gbx), Tuesday, 16 February 2010 17:49 (sixteen years ago)

when i was a kid i thought xanax was a laxative i guess because of the 'x' in both? idk

Lamp, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 18:15 (sixteen years ago)

Xanax erases my memory. I like that loose feeling, tho.

Trip Maker, Tuesday, 16 February 2010 18:50 (sixteen years ago)

An article from the Chronicle for Higher Education (hehehe)

The campus tour began promptly at 3 p.m. and was attended by a fairly typical cast of characters. There was an affable, out-of-work engineer looking to study for a new profession; a long-haired youngster all but quivering with the certainty that he had found his collegiate "perfect fit"; and, with him, a well-barbered elderly man who hovered nearby looking taciturn but not unsupportive.

"I'm the grandfather, along for the ride," the man explained


http://chronicle.com/article/High-Minded-College-Offers/64288/?sid=wb&utm_source=wb&utm_medium=en
i don't have a subscription so i can't read the rest

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Monday, 22 February 2010 13:57 (sixteen years ago)

http://chronicle.com/img/photos/biz/photo_3880_landscape_large.jpg

figgy pudding (La Lechera), Monday, 22 February 2010 13:57 (sixteen years ago)

Here ya go:

The campus tour began promptly at 3 p.m. and was attended by a fairly typical cast of characters. There was an affable, out-of-work engineer looking to study for a new profession; a long-haired youngster all but quivering with the certainty that he had found his collegiate "perfect fit"; and, with him, a well-barbered elderly man who hovered nearby looking taciturn but not unsupportive.

"I'm the grandfather, along for the ride," the man explained once the group was inside the main campus building, his tone of voice conveying a remarkable neutrality considering that, at the moment, he was surrounded by potted marijuana plants. "I wanted to make sure that this was all," he paused, "legitimate."

"He's worried about me," said the teenager with a sigh, speaking over the buzz of several high-pressure-sodium grow lamps. To which his elder replied, lovingly but firmly, "I thought that was a grandfather's prerogative."

For those of you who are just catching up to the tour: Welcome to the marijuana horticulture lab at Oaksterdam University, a local institution dedicated to providing "quality training for the cannabis industry." Or, if you like, the booming cannabis industry.

With the expansion of medical-marijuana laws in 14 states in recent years, a minor profusion of self-declared "cannabis colleges" has sprouted up, offering training to the tides of people hoping to work in the sector now that it is gaining legitimacy. Oaksterdam, which offers both weekend seminars and semester-long courses, bills itself as the first of the lot. It is also probably the most high-minded.

Founded by marijuana-legalization activists in 2007, Oaksterdam—a mashup of Oakland and Amsterdam (a city famous for its hashish cafes)—has always been part trade school, part political stunt. While offering earnest classes on the basics of running legal marijuana franchises under California law, it also offers a cheeky appropriation of the vast cultural capital that American society affords to the likes of the Ivy League. The Oaksterdam seal is a burlesque of Harvard's, with "ve-ri-tas" replaced with "can-na-bis," and the laurel leaves surrounding the shield replaced with—care to take a guess?

Oaksterdam's John Harvard is a wheelchair-using Texan named Richard Lee, a stalwart of the legalization movement since the 1990s. Thanks to him, alongside fliers that mention classes on "bud tending" and "edibles," the campus entryway is dominated by images of prisoners locked up on marijuana convictions—"The Reason Why We Fight," the placards say. Other posters advertise Mr. Lee's unprecedented initiative to tax and regulate commercial (not just medical) marijuana, a measure that will appear on the California state ballot this November.

But the real genius of Oaksterdam may lie in the realization that running a respectable trade school—with all the attendant talk of excellence, quality, and standards—is in itself a potently subversive political act. People have been making a living in the marijuana business for decades, but the careers of dealers, smugglers, and guerrilla growers have been defined by deviance and its obscure rituals. In contrast, there's a powerful social signaling effect that goes along with handing in an application, showing up for lectures, taking tests, and attending labs. It says: This is normal.

"That's the gateway theory," said Mr. Lee one recent morning, leaning his wheelchair back precariously against the wall of Oaksterdam's main lecture hall. "It's not pharmacological, it's sociological." Marijuana doesn't lead to hard drugs and crime because of anything inherent in the plant, as one hoary version of the drug-gateway theory holds; it sometimes leads to hard drugs and crime because that's been the shadowy social context that surrounds its production and distribution, he argued.

Oaksterdam, then, is all about building new, professionalized gateways to a well-lit, legitimate future. But in the rapidly shifting legal landscape surrounding marijuana, it's still not exactly clear where those gateways will lead.

Throughout the campus tour, the long-haired teenager clutched a beat-up green file folder that contained his completed Oaksterdam application. He made occasional, knowing jokes about pot that seemed designed to impress the campus tour guide, and he seemed genuinely anxious about getting in—even though Oaksterdam has a more or less open admissions policy.

Once upon a time, the teenager said, he had contemplated pursuing a degree in horticulture, maybe at the University of California at Davis. Then he found out about Oaksterdam, and all that changed. "I was convinced it was the best road for me to go down," he said with college-essay confidence, "and here I am."

Growing Business
Oaksterdam may be a university only notionally, but at a time when most colleges are lucky if they can tread water, it has grown rapidly. Its main branch opened in a cafe-sized storefront in 2007 and moved to a department-store-sized space a year later. This year it moved yet again, to a 30,000-square-foot converted office building. And satellite campuses have opened in Los Angeles; Sebastopol, Calif.; and Flint, Mich.

The college also recently expanded its roster of academic departments. They now include horticulture, political science, biology, "canna-business," and "methods of ingestion."

Mr. Lee took a break from his usual business that morning to sign a stack of diplomas due to be awarded on the Los Angeles campus. The stacks are growing in step with the university. "It started off as a political thing," he said of Oaksterdam, "and then it turned into a business."

Oaksterdam is not an accredited institution (its Web site helpfully makes clear that course credits are nontransferable), and it's hard to imagine its ever becoming one. After all, just growing the amount of marijuana that quivers under the lights in the university's horticulture lab is grounds for a federal felony conviction.

The federal government, which still officially regards cannabis as a dangerous drug, has sent signals that it will not prosecute citizens who are playing by their own states' medical-marijuana rules. But because of the gulf between state and federal laws, most established institutions still refuse to have anything to do with medical pot. The gray areas of medical marijuana are still very gray.

When someone on the tour finally asked the grandfather what he really thought of his grandson's going to Oaksterdam, the older man paused for a moment to think. "Well, I'm up in the air," he finally said. "You never know where your life is going to take you. You never know what's going to happen."

He was worried about the discrepancy between state and federal law but sensed that the tide had turned against prohibition. "If it all goes the way I think it might in the future, and he gets in at the ground level—and he doesn't become a pothead," the grandfather said, "then I think he could make a good living." After a while he added: "He's gonna be 18 here, and he's gonna do what he wants anyway."

A few minutes later, the young man—in a baggy T-shirt that showed Einstein writing "E = mc²" on a blackboard—walked up to the main reception desk at Oaksterdam and nervously handed in his application. Not sure if he would make the cut, he hovered by the desk until a secretary assured him that he had a seat in this semester's class.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Monday, 22 February 2010 14:21 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

(CNN) -- The latest trend at teen parties isn't warm beer or prescription medicines pilfered from parents' medicine cabinets. Instead, increasing numbers of youths are turning to an herb-based product to get high, and unlike marijuana, it's perfectly legal.

It's known as K2 or Spice, a synthetic substance that, when smoked, gives users a marijuana-like high, according to drug authorities. Its growing popularity is causing increasing alarm among health care professionals, law enforcement authorities and lawmakers, with one Drug Enforcement Agency official calling its use the equivalent of "playing Russian roulette."

Manufactured in Asia and sold online or in local stores, K2 and similar substances are marketed as herbal incense. A disclaimer on a K2-selling Web site reads: "K2Herbal products are novelty incenses and are not for consumption."

Sold in various flavors in 3-gram bags, the product consists of herbs that are sprayed with synthetic substances that mimic THC, the high-causing natural chemical found in marijuana.

A call to regulate K2

Health and drug officials say the danger in using such products is the unregulated nature of their production and makeup.

"Our biggest concern is that this particular chemical is likely manufactured in a dorm-room setting. And these dorm-room scientists are not going to be exhibiting a lot of quality assurance techniques," says Dr. Gaylord Lopez, a toxicologist and head of the Georgia Poison Center.

As a result, there's a potential for users to inhale contaminants along with the substance they think they're smoking, Lopez said, which may be a contributing factor in the adverse symptoms some of its users have been experiencing.

Political activist wants K2 banned

"Synthetic drugs and herbal drug products like Spice and K2 are not made in a controlled environment and thus you are playing Russian roulette when it comes to these types of products," said Dawn Dearden, a spokeswoman for the DEA, which first began receiving reports about abuse of the substance last year. "There is no way, outside of a controlled laboratory environment, to determine the chemical makeup, synthetic ingredients or amounts, and therefore there is no way to determine with any accuracy what the potentially harmful effects may be."

Lopez says his center first heard of the substance in December when Georgia hospitals began reporting patients who had used K2 or Spice.

Since then, the center has seen a spike in cases, with 20 people -- mostly teenagers -- visiting emergency rooms with such symptoms as heart palpitations and respiratory issues. In the most serious case, an otherwise healthy teenage boy, who has since recovered, lapsed into a coma, Lopez said.

According to Dearden, additional side effects can include panic attacks, hallucinations, delusions, vomiting, increased agitation and dilated pupils.

Around the center, Lopez said his employees have begun referring to the substance as "Scary Spice."

Earlier this month, Kansas became the first state to ban synthetic marijuana.

Kansas state Sen. Jim Barnett, a supporter of the effort, said the ban was prompted by reports of abuse of K2 and similar products in cities across the state among high school students and prison parolees who were using it as an alternative to pot to avoid a positive drug test.

Lawmakers in several other states are considering similar legislation, including Georgia, Utah, Missouri, Tennessee, Kentucky, North Dakota and Illinois.

"Although it is a synthetic drug, it is still a drug with a high potential for abuse," says Barnett, who is a physician. "It was our desire in Kansas to be ahead of the problem."

K2 has already been banned in some European countries, including Britain, Germany, Poland and France, and the DEA lists it as a drug of concern in the United States.

"We are seeing several indications that these THC-like substances could become a significant problem both domestically and internationally," Dearden says.

She says the agency is in "the preliminary stages of determining whether or not some or all of (synthetic substances) need to be controlled."

kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:44 (sixteen years ago)

fake weed is something I cannot come to terms with

steve ursh+j&l (Curt1s Stephens), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:51 (sixteen years ago)

I'm not a big fan of the real stuff, but fake weed is totally sad.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:55 (sixteen years ago)

the spice must flow

mh, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 13:59 (sixteen years ago)

http://www.dailystab.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/melanie-brown.jpg

Would smoke.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:00 (sixteen years ago)

UK banned this stuff last year. It's really not very nice, and people only buy it because the real (and less dangerous) stuff is illegal.

We've got a similar thing with methadrone over here at the moment. Again, horrible stuff (like bad E and bad coke rolled together) and people only get it cos it legal and the good stuff isn't.

NotEnough, Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:09 (sixteen years ago)

I'm not a big fan of the real stuff, but fake weed is totally sad.

― kingkongvsgodzilla, Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:55 AM (17 minutes ago)

Jack traded Milky-White to the troll for a magical (remy bean), Wednesday, 24 March 2010 14:13 (sixteen years ago)

California ballot initiative to legalize gets enough signatures. Measure's main advocate made me lol with his explanation of what happens next: "There's all kinds of big professional politicos who are coming on board now to take it to the next level," Lee said.

Twink Will Ferrell (J0hn D.), Thursday, 25 March 2010 12:46 (sixteen years ago)

Our biggest concern is that this particular chemical is likely manufactured in a dorm-room setting.

being used in a dorm room settng too; what's the problem?

it is just like an unknown puzzle till the end of the world (dyao), Thursday, 25 March 2010 12:54 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/2372/i100411marktrail.jpg

If we had avatars mine would SO be the opening panel, his name in pink.

Walter Melon (Abbott), Monday, 26 April 2010 01:54 (sixteen years ago)

i want to learn more about hemp.

ian, Monday, 26 April 2010 02:21 (sixteen years ago)

let me google that for you

GREAT JOB Mushroom head (gbx), Monday, 26 April 2010 02:23 (sixteen years ago)

Smash the IP/GP/Weyerhauser hegemony, Mark Trail.

Nom Nom Nom Chomsky (WmC), Monday, 26 April 2010 02:40 (sixteen years ago)

four weeks pass...

Marijuana Fuels a New Kitchen Culture

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Monday, 24 May 2010 23:28 (sixteen years ago)

that article is cool but lines like "Call it haute stoner cuisine" need to be exterminated w/extreme prejudice imo

in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Monday, 24 May 2010 23:35 (sixteen years ago)

yep. luckily i don't see anyone who doesn't write for a living ever calling anything that.

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Monday, 24 May 2010 23:37 (sixteen years ago)

yeah i read that article and it was funny but since when are chefs not the biggest stoners on the planet

max, Monday, 24 May 2010 23:59 (sixteen years ago)

they will snort or consume anything on earth. its their thing.

scott seward, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 00:00 (sixteen years ago)

back at the dishwashing station we mainly stuck to crank

in which we apologize for sobering up (underrated aerosmith albums I have loved), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 00:02 (sixteen years ago)

i think the point was that before chefs would just concoct munchies for themselves and other chefs after their shifts at fancy white-tablecloth joints, but now they have restaurants that reflect those after hours hangout sessions and are focused on stoner fare?

hope this helps (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 00:06 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

interesting NYT article about role of black vote

Jocelyn Elders = for, a bunch of churches = against

Major Lolzer (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 19 July 2010 22:23 (fifteen years ago)

Someone send me some lsd.

Thanks.

mittens, Tuesday, 20 July 2010 02:25 (fifteen years ago)

whoa, did not know the opposition was polling (ever so slightly) better. I knew it was close, but thought the numbers were the other way around...

TN's only candidate for Governor with a handgun carry permit, so... → (will), Tuesday, 20 July 2010 02:57 (fifteen years ago)

Five Thirty-Eight weighs in

Moshy Star (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 16:29 (fifteen years ago)

i have got stoned w/mark trail in the early nineties at a meet 'n' greet

dell (del), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 16:56 (fifteen years ago)

hero!

Warum habt Ihr mich totgefüttert? (Abbott), Tuesday, 27 July 2010 17:15 (fifteen years ago)

six months pass...

http://www.wtnh.com/dpp/news/hartford_cty/man-calls-911-with-pot-law-inquiry

Make sure you actually listen to the call, though.

Evan, Friday, 4 February 2011 19:17 (fifteen years ago)

king of the eyesores, my condolences. You can't choose how your zombified husband acts, but his bad choices are horrible for him and are going to force some extremely painful choices on you.
You need to decide whether you can live with him this way for the rest of your life. If you can't, then you have to decide where your cut-off point is. Then you have to make it absolutely clear to your husband where that cut-off point is and how much or how little you'll support him in making better choices and following through on them - but if he fails to make better choices, you'll cut him off. Then you have to act like you meant every word. That takes enormous strength - after all, you love him.

― Aimless (Aimless), Sunday, 14 November 2004 18:29 (6 years ago) Permalink

I'm imagining this unbelivably sanctimonius post spoken in Dr. Melfi's voice.

thirdalternative, Friday, 4 February 2011 19:28 (fifteen years ago)

two months pass...

Is Cutty still around? I need someone to tell me about vaporizers. (I feel like I've been getting a sore throat a lot lately.)

jaymc, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 02:41 (fifteen years ago)

cutty died of a vaporizer

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 02:42 (fifteen years ago)

dunno i get intimidated by vapes last time i got high on one i spent 2 hours waiting for a pizza and then realized i never ordered one

― fleetwood (max), Friday, October 2, 2009 7:24 AM (1 year ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ban drake (the rapper) (max), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 02:43 (fifteen years ago)

Oh I didn't know. RIP.

jaymc, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 02:43 (fifteen years ago)

Also lol @ u

jaymc, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 02:45 (fifteen years ago)

rip phantom pizza

youll be missed

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 02:45 (fifteen years ago)

on that same night, some other vaporized dude got a pizza delivered and didn't even remember ordering it

ZERO TAXES (Z S), Wednesday, 20 April 2011 02:46 (fifteen years ago)

lollll max

bernard snowy, Wednesday, 20 April 2011 12:05 (fifteen years ago)

four months pass...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/09/marijuana-washes-up-on-ventura-county-beach.html

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 1 September 2011 22:45 (fourteen years ago)


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