Lost Season 6 - RE: LA X

simple answer, no.

I feel fairly certain that Jack and Kate will both live, which bums me out.

miles purpose on the island (and the show) has yet to be fully realized. that will be exciting.

what about lapedis? is he just Everyman proxy or will he eventually assume some mythic importance?

Why are Jack and Kate untouchable?

cause they are adam and eve

Oh then they will definitely die then!

everyone dies.

miles purpose on the island (and the show) has yet to be fully realized. that will be exciting.

I think his purpose is to talk to dead people, and thereby point the main cast in the right direction. I'll be surprised if it's much more than that, and totally expect him to die.

Why are Jack and Kate untouchable?

Because the showrunners are trying to please two masters -- nerds and rubes -- and the rubes will be totally pissed if the "stars" die at the end of the show.

Still think Rose and Bernard are Adam and Eve.

I dunno. Time travel and parallel universes do not strike me as rube-friendly overtures. I'll bet that Hurley outlives Jack or Kate or both.

Time travel and parallel universes are nerd-service.

Kate, Hurley, Jin, Sun, and Aaron will all live. Sawyer and Sayid are the only main cast people who might die. Locke is already dead, but sideways Locke might Live.

The parallel universe thing complicates things but I think the timelines will unify at some point.

I forgot to write Jack into the first group but I think he'll live as well. He is the person in the cast who Learns a Valuable Lesson.

Not sure why I capitalized Live.

u didn't

oh u did

The island capitalized it.

Still think Rose and Bernard are Adam and Eve

altho there's a good chance they got zapped back to 2007 with everyone else, along with vincent of course.

I assume they did!

I think the writers already gave them their ending.

"Kate, Hurley, Jin, Sun, and Aaron will all live"
If you throw Jack into this, this is a mighty brave wager! This is a series that shoots kids!

This is a series that shoots kids!

This is a series where even when a kid is shot in the chest, he still lives.

yeah but the kid lived

I think the writers already gave them their ending.

they always said the dog would survive until the end tho, so i guess vincent can't have stayed in the 70s.

they always said the dog would survive until the end tho, so i guess vincent can't have stayed in the 70s.

They've lied about stuff before.

lying about whether a dog lives or dies is really going too far

"i guess you finally found your loophole"

"WOOF"

btw the loophole is just getting ben to do it right? nothing to do with being Locke (except that being Locke is what convinced ben)

Jacob-embodying-Aaron vs. Smokey-embodying-Vincent in an epic baby vs. dog battle for the fate of the universe.

The loophole was also tricking Richard into allowing Ben and Smokey into Jacob's foothouse.

Thought that smokey could do whatever he wanted, just not harm Jacob?

It seemed like he needed Richard's help to find Jacob, but I could be wrong on that point.

assumed the flasback of Jacob and nemesis sitting on the beach looking at the black rock indicated that they knew everything about each other, and that the only thing preventing Jacobs death was a rule saying that the nemesis couldt personally kill him

Didn't Bram shoot Locke and the bullet bounced right off or something?

so did i. and that the loophole still was him being able to embody dead people arriving on the island

xp it bounced of something but could just aswell be the wall

Imo the "infection" is on a par with being "good" or "bad", just a lazy short hand for... I don't know what. Something they bandy around but might not necessarily have a proper explanation for. This sort of thing pisses me off a lot - and I would be happy to be proved wrong down the line.

Might have mentioned this before but I was pleased when the time travel stuff began because it provided a context for the "island wants this to happen" in that THAT could have meant that "the laws of time travel dictate that this must happen" (like Michael not being able to kill himself - I guess that happened because it would have caused a paradox - he was physically needed to blow up the freighter). Can't work out how much of that was likely to be the case, though - I imagine when Eloise or someone talks like that, they have a greater picture of what's meant to happen, but not someone like Locke (or Ben??).

Also Jacob purposefully brings ppl to the island as a way of "making progress" and smokey hates it.

better get some goddamned answers to some of this shit tomorrow

I'm sure they'll answer one thing and ask three more questions in the process.

Lapidus has got to be more than just everyman proxy - he was meant to be flying the original 815 plane, Abbadon made a point of putting him on the chopper with the three Island babies, and he just happened to turn up piloting the Ajira flight. They want him for something certainly.

Are we going to get a proper Desmond storyline/episode here or have the writers given him and Penny their ending? I suppose they'll have to revisit the Widmore thing at some point and he's the In there.

btw the loophole is just getting ben to do it right? nothing to do with being Locke (except that being Locke is what convinced ben)

That's the 'long con' argument where to get in a position to get close to Jacob, MIB had to be the leader of the Others, with an accomplice that could actually do the deed. Locke's position as leader of the Others was engineered by MIB during S5, even though we saw the results of it (the Others acting as if Locke had been 'chosen') in S3 and 4. Ben was the perfect aggrieved party after MIB had usurped his authority and turned Ben's resentment of that towards Jacob. The loophole turned out to be MIB killing Jacob by proxy, which I would imagine Jacob had figured out well ahead of time. Even if he couldn't prevent his own death he could create plans that would outlive him.

riiiight. that seems right. tho presably Jacob is responsible for having brought 815 in the first place?

Hence the 'they're coming' - Ilana & The Touchees

Might have mentioned this before but I was pleased when the time travel stuff began because it provided a context for the "island wants this to happen" in that THAT could have meant that "the laws of time travel dictate that this must happen" (like Michael not being able to kill himself - I guess that happened because it would have caused a paradox - he was physically needed to blow up the freighter).

This was my rationale for MIB not being able to kill Jacob, or Ben not being able to kill Widmore - 'if it doesn't happen it doesn't happen'. Not sure that's the case with MIB and Jacob any more though.

And by 'touchees' I mean the 815ers, yeah, werewolf

Watching these episodes, it seems pretty clear that Christian and Locke are both the same person to me. They're working to achieve the same goals. But it's interesting how much Smokey embodies Christian, Alex, Locke, etc. when he takes their form. When Christian asks Locke to say hello to his son, he really seems like he means it.

I think he acts like them because he is them - he has all of their memories and experience. This leads to compassion on his part towards Locke, for instance. When he says, as Christian, 'say hello to my son' he's keeping up the pretense (MIB wants to be seen as the person he's imitating so he can manipulate, that cover's blown now w/r/t Locke) but he's also genuine.

Stepfield Christian seemed more threatening than concerned for Jack.

tho presably Jacob is responsible for having brought 815 in the first place?

He didn't "touch" Sayid or Hurley prior to them coming on the Oceanic flight, or at least we haven't seen him do so. Both of them were "touched" between the two flights.

they'd be missing a trick not having Lapidus flying the plane we're seeing in these flashalongs

still love when Locke said "your Dad says hello" and Jack's "omg you motherfucker" face

Even if he couldn't prevent his own death...

He didn't even try. He pretty much was all like "o hai ben let me help u with that"