ILX BOOKS OF THE 00s: THE RESULTS! (or: Ismael compiles his reading list, 2010-2019)

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17. Never Let Me Go - Kazuo Ishiguro (2005)
(86 points, five votes, one first-placed vote)

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President Keyes:
I’m sure this is considered bad SF, but it stuck with me more than any other book on this list

Alex in Montreal:
I no longer have a copy of this - I lent it to a friend of mine who was struck by a train and passed away four months later. At the time it seemed to be a fairly run of the mill science fiction conceit but two years later, the emotional implications of it have stuck with me. I just saw this in a bookstore yesterday and reread the last chapter and was really disturbed by it. It's all in the voice - innocence to experience in the most devastating way possible.

Kazuo Ishiguro

Devoured Ishiguro's Never Let Me Go on vacation and have a really hard time explaining to people why I loved it so much. It was one of those rare books you love and don't want to share with anyone else.
― zan, Tuesday, September 13, 2005 4:04 PM (4 years ago)

'Never Let Me Go' was very over-rated: second-hand sci-fi ideas told without conviction, set in a world that doesn't ring true the moment you think about how it's all meant to work. But I loved 'Remains of the Day'.
― James Morrison, Tuesday, August 21, 2007 1:34 AM (2 years ago)

Ismael Klata, Monday, 15 February 2010 12:39 (fourteen years ago) link

Probably my second favourite Ishiguro after The Unconsoled, although still haven't read Remains. That "not ringing true" is a common, and obvious, criticism, but it really didn't bother me. His set-ups are often pretty weird or at least of questionable veracity, what is important is his characters' emotional responses to them.

take me to your lemur (ledge), Monday, 15 February 2010 12:49 (fourteen years ago) link

16. Oblivion - David Foster Wallace (2005)
(87 points, five votes, one first-placed vote)

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he story about the baby in Oblivion never fails to amaze me in its brevity and utter desperation.
― the table is the table, Thursday, March 1, 2007 5:17 PM (2 years ago)

Oblivion had moments of intelligence and humanity, and is the best I've read from DFW.
― Chelvis, Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:45 PM (2 years ago)

no one's mentioned david foster wallace but oblivion is great
― kl0pper, Sunday, January 27, 2008 9:39 PM (2 years ago)

Ismael Klata, Monday, 15 February 2010 13:25 (fourteen years ago) link

that was my top-placed vote. i can't really explain quite what it is about the the stories in that book, in particular; it's that david foster wallace remains maybe the one writer that i've spoken about, speak about, will speak about with friends and peers and, in doing so, really feel that his work, and talking about it, gets at not just issues of style and taste, but at what style and taste and art are ultimately good for, what they might mean to the way you live your life.

thomp, Monday, 15 February 2010 13:50 (fourteen years ago) link

— which ultimately i think is the most you can ask from any artist?

sorry, got lost in the middle of that sentence. oh well.

thomp, Monday, 15 February 2010 13:51 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm going to have to read him. I had mentally filed him under 'smart-alecky', possibly just because he was popular on here, but I'm impressed by the real feeling coming through in these tributes.

(Oblivion is really hard to search for, which is why the quotes for it are somewhat brief)

Ismael Klata, Monday, 15 February 2010 14:00 (fourteen years ago) link

he's kind of the deeply earnest precursor of the mcswys 'i really mean this and this is why i have to make dumb jokes about it, here is a drawing of a stapler' line that a lot of ppl hate, in some ways.

thomp, Monday, 15 February 2010 14:03 (fourteen years ago) link

I am a huge DFW fanboy but didn't vote for either of these. Probably should have on the merits, but I think I penalized them unfairly for being less than what he did before.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 15 February 2010 14:47 (fourteen years ago) link

yeah similar for me (tho i did vote for oblivion)...also i had read almost all of the collected pieces of each prior to these publications so they didnt really have the same impact

johnny crunch, Monday, 15 February 2010 14:52 (fourteen years ago) link

I had mentally filed him under 'smart-alecky'

And as for this -- I think a lot of people had him filed there. At times he filed himself there! It seems to me -- and I think this is sort of unavoidable but terrible by the way -- that a lot of people refiled him after his suicide. The particular pain and frustration he wrote about, which had previously been classified by many as "90s post-everything overintellectualized navel-gazing," was suddenly taken seriously as a real problem of the human condition in general and DFW's condition in general. And this sucks, I think! I.E. your suicide shouldnt rebrand you as a Major American Writer and this is DOUBLY true if you merited that status all along. Though of course there is the simple but major upside that lots of people will read his books now who otherwise wouldn't have. But I worry they will read them as being ALL ABOUT the pain and frustration referred to above whereas at his best he makes real the superimposition of that pain and frustration with enjoyment, e.g. in "A Supposedly Fun Thing...." where the cruise ship is NOT something that's fun for the squares and terrifying to the stowaway know-it-all, but something that is fun and seductive and terrifying and lonely-making ALL AT ONCE.

I think this richness is not as present in his later stuff. And I think he himself is partly to blame because of his distrust of his own instinct to make gags. He becomes more dogmatic, more rigid in his choice of effects, more suspicious of the moves he knows well. And so you never again get anything like the crazy Eschaton set-piece in IJ. You get instead the occasional tiny, very controlled masterpiece like "Incarnations of Burned Children."

I'm curious to know how The Pale King will read but based on the pieces that have appeared it's hard to imagine it's not much, much smaller in spirit than the other two novels.

But yeah, still and all, should have voted for these.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 15 February 2010 15:50 (fourteen years ago) link

15. The Amber Spyglass - Philip Pullman (2000)
(88 points, nine votes)

http://th04.deviantart.net/fs24/300W/i/2009/009/8/2/Mulefa_from_The_Amber_Spyglass_by_3djinn.jpg

Alex in Montreal:
This is a stand-in vote for the entire trilogy - the audacity of an explicitly agnostic work of children's fantasy whose main villains are the corrupt Church and the Government, and ends with the introduction of gay angels and the death of God is reason enough to recommend it. That it's a deftly-plotted and exciting read is simply a bonus.

HIS DARK MATERIALS

I think he's trying to cram too many ideas in without properly integrating everything, whereas up until then he'd been doing a great job. I mean, it's still hugely powerful, but I just plain don't like the wheelie things.
― Archel (Archel), Tuesday, July 8, 2003 7:23 AM (6 years ago)

it is so good a potraying the final loss of innocence and the onset of adulthood. It is deeply ambiguous what the republic of heaven means and whether it is a good thing or not.
― Ed (dali), Tuesday, July 8, 2003 7:27 PM (6 years ago)

went to see the plays once last march and again last weekend, both in one day each time. the first time was a lot better but both excellent really. i did think it was stupid that they missed out the whole mary malone stuff (and i wanted to see the wheelies) but i can understand why they did it - shit, it's already a six and a half hour marathon - and they kind of made serafina pekkala the mary malone substitute with the temptation/falling thing. some of the writing/acting is a bit clumsy - "oh, look what i can see through my AMBER SPYGLASS", she says, whipping it out and sticking it under lee's nose, but on the whole it's amazing. the first lyra was ten or twenty times better than the new lyra though. the staging is fucking awesome, wish it didn't prevent them from touring it but the only place they could possibly do it is the national. timothy dalton ruled as lord asriel, the new one (christopher/david harewood? something like that) is a bit too angry and frantic. actually this time around the pace of the first half of the first play was a bit screwed up. but if yr thinking of going and haven't yet, go, go, go. it's. fucking. brilliant. and cos it's the national you can always get tickets for a tenner on the day if you go there in person when the box office opens. god i love the national. and philip pullman.
― emsk, Sunday, March 6, 2005 12:02 PM (4 years ago)

Ismael Klata, Monday, 15 February 2010 15:55 (fourteen years ago) link

Should have given one of the DFW's the #18 vote I gave Amber Spyglass, actually. My vote, too, was really a proxy for the whole trilogy; but the third book was shouty and weak, and for me dropped all the balls so promisingly chucked skyward in Golden Compass.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 15 February 2010 16:02 (fourteen years ago) link

Re: Never Let Me Go, I preferred When We Were Orphans, perhaps because it had more narrative drive, perhaps because I prefer subverted detective fiction to subverted sci-fi, perhaps because it has a nice, dry sense of humour, or perhaps just because it was the first Ishiguro I read, and apart from The Unconsoled, which is something else entirely, all of them have a very similar unreliable narrative voice and tantalising dripfeed of information, so the first one you encounter tends to have a disproportionately powerful impact (cf Murakami). Of his generation of British writers - Amis, Barnes, McEwan, Rushdie et al - he's by far the most consistently impressive, at least among those I've read, so any Ishiguro on the list is fine by me.

gotanynewsstory? (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 15 February 2010 16:03 (fourteen years ago) link

Liked the first two very much - Northern Lights and Subtle Knife, which were very imaginative, inventive children's stories, but The Amber Spyglass felt very pompous and didactic, very like a teacher's book in fact, rather than a storyteller's book.

xpost eephus! - definitely.

'virgin' should be 'wizard' (GamalielRatsey), Monday, 15 February 2010 16:05 (fourteen years ago) link

I like Armitage more as a figure than as a writer these days.

Yeah, despite my vote I still have mixed feelings about him. He is super likeable (ie is Fall & Prefab Sprout fan), but that literary certainty of address or paced formality, which stops him being a Mersey Poet funster, has taken over a bit - the demotic energy & wit which kicked against that isn't there so much in his original verse now. It feels disappointing given how much I believed in Zoom & Kid; but he's someone I enjoy having around and want to do well, so Gawain pleased me. I haven't looked at his Odyssey tho. Am not sure that'll go so well.

woof, Monday, 15 February 2010 16:19 (fourteen years ago) link

very like a teacher's book in fact, rather than a storyteller's book

Spot on. It really dragged. Plus Pullman just seems to pop up around the place now being kind of pompous & I keep having to remind myself that Northern Lights is v powerful, terrific in imagination & execution & I am not against him.

woof, Monday, 15 February 2010 16:23 (fourteen years ago) link

I mean this could be very good, but I just look at the title and get a sinking feeling.

woof, Monday, 15 February 2010 16:26 (fourteen years ago) link

I thought The Amber Spyglass was terrific. That said, it probably is the weakest of the three, but even its errors (if that's what they were) worked for me in their context - the way it rushed through everything meant I kind of lost track of what was going on (God's dead? what? who?) but that evoked civilisation crumbling; and the lack of strong sense of place from the first book in particular conjured a strong mental image of a world of ash, like The Road, or a vague sense of purgatory.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 15 February 2010 16:35 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm curious to know how The Pale King will read but based on the pieces that have appeared it's hard to imagine it's not much, much smaller in spirit than the other two novels.

seriously? 'the soul is not a smithy'?

thomp, Monday, 15 February 2010 16:37 (fourteen years ago) link

echoing all of what's been said wrt the first two golden compass books setting up something wonderful, magnificent, important?, third book just collapsing under that pressure/weight.

quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Monday, 15 February 2010 16:38 (fourteen years ago) link

Someone gave me a copy of Northern Lights last week but I saw The Golden Compass and it was so fucking dire that I don't really understand why anyone would want to spend time on the whole thing.

80085 (a hoy hoy), Monday, 15 February 2010 16:40 (fourteen years ago) link

movies of books are generally shitty and dumbed down?

quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Monday, 15 February 2010 16:42 (fourteen years ago) link

I saw The Scarlet Letter/Bonfire of the Vanities/The Human Stain and they were so fucking dire that I don't really understand why anyone would want to spend time on Hawthorne, Wolfe or Roth.

gotanynewsstory? (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 15 February 2010 16:46 (fourteen years ago) link

i saw shakespeare in love and tbh i really can't see what all the fuss is about. 'bard' my ass.

quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Monday, 15 February 2010 16:50 (fourteen years ago) link

'bard' my ass.

― quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Monday, February 15, 2010 4:50 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barding_and_larding

'virgin' should be 'wizard' (GamalielRatsey), Monday, 15 February 2010 17:01 (fourteen years ago) link

14. By Night In Chile - Roberto Bolaño (2000)
(91 points, four votes, one first-placed vote)

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wmlynch:
Bolano's short books are in many ways more scintillating than his longer, multivocal works because they are so much more focused and thus have a fiercer impact. By Night in Chile has some indelible images--the pigeon-hunting falcons, the torture scene beneath the party--and its confessional tone is twistedly Bernhardian in the best way. It also has one of the best (and most memorable) final sentences of any work I've read in the past ten years. It is an angry ticking bomb which when exploded altered the books that I read around it.

Roberto Bolano - By Night in Chile (an odd but ultimately compelling revery, vivid images, dreamlike logic, not everything works, but enough does)
― o. nate, Tuesday, November 6, 2007 6:11 PM (2 years ago)

Roberto Bolaño - By Night in Chile
Gruwelverhaal van een priester die Marx mag onderwijzen aan Pinochet. Maar dat is niet het enige wat hem dwarszit.
― EvR, Monday, June 22, 2009 7:38 AM (7 months ago)

Quite saddened that By Night in Chile wasn't called "Storms of shit" as Bolano originally planned.
― Blackout Crew are the Beatles of donk (jim), Monday, March 2, 2009 9:17 PM (11 months ago)

Ismael Klata, Monday, 15 February 2010 17:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Looked this up on Wikipedia and read a line guaranteed to push anything to the back of my must-read queue: "written in a single paragraph". Seriously, why does anyone do this?

gotanynewsstory? (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 15 February 2010 17:28 (fourteen years ago) link

Seriously, why does anyone do this

Well it asks a bit from the reader, but done well produces a kind of unsettling immersion that's hard to get at any other way - it's a powerful means of drawing you inside mania or obsession, for instance. Thinking of Thomas Bernhard & William Gaddis's Agape Agape (didn't realise this was eligible, thought it was 90-something - would have nommed & voted for it).

woof, Monday, 15 February 2010 17:35 (fourteen years ago) link

I expect it must've originally been 90s, but the translation date I found was 2000 so it was in.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 15 February 2010 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link

Sorry, 'this' meant Agape Agape, which is from 2002, rather than Bolano.

woof, Monday, 15 February 2010 17:50 (fourteen years ago) link

btw, not saying single-par writing fills me with joy & enthusiasm. Rather a deep sigh & long hesitation before deciding whether it's going to be worth it.

woof, Monday, 15 February 2010 17:51 (fourteen years ago) link

Yeah, I see your argument but when there are so many novels in the world that I'd like to investigate, this is the kind of thing which makes me put it back on the shelf and pick up something else. Which probably says more about me as a reader than them as writers.

gotanynewsstory? (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 15 February 2010 17:57 (fourteen years ago) link

For some great all-one-paragraph American fiction try Stephen Dixon. Geez, was he not even nominated? I'd have thrown the guy some points.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 15 February 2010 17:59 (fourteen years ago) link

13. Fortress Of Solitude - Jonathan Lethem (2003)
(91 points, six votes, one first-placed vote)

http://www.faber.co.uk/site-media/onix-images/thumbs/2135_jpg_280x450_q85.jpg

JL:
A book about a neighborhood. I have logged 3/4 of a decade in the same neighborhood, though not at the same time that this book is set in, so I will recuse myself.

Ismael Klata:
My no.1.  There were two flawless books on my list - this beat them both because it creates its settings with such warmth and deceptive, languid intensity that living in its world gave me the most pleasure.  It's really serious too, but ... *and then I just tailed off, I never finished this blurb and now I can't remember where I was going*

Fortress of Solitude
Reading Jonathan Lethem ...?

i'm about 230 pp into the fortress of solitude now, and if i didn't care at all about sleep i would have stayed up until dawn to finish it. n/a, don't be put off by your bad experience w/ one of lethem's earlier books. get this one immediately.
― lauren (laurenp), Monday, September 13, 2004 2:40 PM (5 years ago)

I think I need to modify my statement about Fortress of Solitude, in retrospect. It isn't that I detested the book or anything, and there were parts that I much enjoyed, it's more that I'd been hoping for something more, well, "out there" as opposed to being so realistic. It's a book that I would recommend, with a few reservations. I think I would have enjoyed it much more had I not read some of Lethem's earlier stuff. (And I must say that his writing was more polished and readable in this latest work than in earlier publications, which is a good thing.)
― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:08 PM (5 years ago)

I really loved The Fortress of Solitude; our company's book group had the fortune of discussing the book with Mr. Lethem himself. He explained a lot of the issues I had with the book, including the odd leap in style from the magical world of Dylan in "Underberg" to the not-so-magical first person Dylan in "Prisonaires". I felt much better after he explained it, but authors shouldn't really have to explain their books to their readers, should they?
― zan, Tuesday, October 26, 2004 6:55 PM (5 years ago)

Basically I just want to lay in bed and read Fortress of Solitude all day.
― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, November 5, 2004 4:28 PM (5 years ago)

Ismael Klata, Monday, 15 February 2010 18:23 (fourteen years ago) link

#1 on my "it's strange I haven't read this" list, given my Lethem-love. Would have voted for Chronic City had it been nommed!

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 15 February 2010 18:26 (fourteen years ago) link

wao, didn't expect to see By Night In Chile. To borrow a phrase from ken c, 2666 is gonna walk this, isn't it? Or at least be real real high. (Remember that I've already realised I have no grasp of the ILXor reading zeitgeist and am obviously completely wrong.)

FC Tom Tomsk Club (Merdeyeux), Monday, 15 February 2010 18:30 (fourteen years ago) link

Yep, I didn't expect to see By Night in Chile either. Very happy that it's there. To be honest, it was so compelling that I barely noticed it was in one paragraph, and I don't think it should put you off.

emil.y, Monday, 15 February 2010 19:04 (fourteen years ago) link

I'm quite annoyed that zan never seems to have told us what Lethem's explanation was.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 15 February 2010 19:24 (fourteen years ago) link

12. Atonement - Ian McEwan (2001)
(93 points, five points, one first-placed vote)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_yhuhp880s

eephus!:
I admired this hugely when I read it, but never read another book of his and now remember nothing about it. Not sure what that means.

Ismael Klata:
Stunning. Two faults for me: he can't do endings, and he never convinces me that he means anything he writes. That he can be good enough to create such people and such a story, and then stupid enough to use it all to play a trick, beggars belief. But what craft!

Atonement the movie C/D

For an entrancing read you could try 'Atonement' by Ian McEwan. It is a great novel about the consequences of our actions, the border between a fantasy and reality and the decline of the British 'Empire' in World War Two.
― Shutruk Nahunte, Tuesday, June 21, 2005 2:34 PM (4 years ago)

My favourite bits of Atonement (which I still think is a brilliant book) are the bits are the beginning, pre-calamity, where the main character, the little girl, is just thinking, looking at her hand and wondering how she makes it move, stuff like that.
― Tim F, Monday, August 27, 2007 12:45 PM (2 years ago)

Just read (and loved) Atonement, but having finished I realised that the novel had a great deal to do with 'writing and the unconscious', and even whilst reading it I had noticed a very strong connection with Freud's writing. Parapraxis, suggestions and masked sensuality all figure largely in the novel. In fact, the greatest psychological stunts are pulled on the reader themselves; invited to write the story before it is completed, they do so in more or less the manner McEwan had planned. I could say more, mostly about how one of the characters was pitched perfectly to snare my unconscious (the moments of truth being an unwitting parapraxis I wish I had committed and an unfulfilled stage of life), but also about Freudian imagery in another character's illegal lusting, but I must interrupt my analytical progress with the simple heartfelt statement that the book moved me more than most others. Plus, the final couple of pages bring the very nature of fiction itself into debate (and, conversely, upon reflection soften the very blow they inflict).
― Just got offed, Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:27 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'd reservations about Atonement at first because the meta-games bothered me and I intensely disliked Amsterdam. Having plowed through almost all his other novels (he can "do" eroticism better than most), I've warmed considerably to it.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:35 PM (2 years ago)

he can "do" eroticism better than most
... i mean, that love-scene is OMG, and i was already reading the novel 'as' the involved male character (deliberately constructed to ensnare my sort of reader, an ideal, if you will, of a certain human type, made perfect by his glorious outpouring and propicious error, an error any young, literate male worth his salt would have dreamed of making).
... I also think you can detect quite easily the fraudulence (within the narrator's reality) of that 'everything's alright again' scene, which alleviates tension only to be crushed (alongside the 'atonement') at the last. As I say, though, that crushing, that unreliability of fiction, absolves itself from its body-blow to our sympathetic consciousness.
― Just got offed, Wednesday, July 25, 2007 4:55 PM (2 years ago)

OH FUCK

i found out today that Atonement is being HOLLYWOODISED and is in fact coming out IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS
... worse, KEIRA KNIGHTLEY IS PLAYING THE FEMALE LOVE-INTEREST
... YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW MUCH THIS HAS ALREADY RUINED THE MOVIE FOR ME; in the book she's meant to be a pretty but not obviously 'stunning' (and fairly intelligent) English graduate ffs. KEIRA KNIGHTLEY CANNOT AND WILL NOT PULL THAT OFF. she can't even fucking pull off an airheaded bimbo!
... as for the book's nuances, the unreliable narrator, the building tension, the use of unconscious persuasion, THIS WILL ALL GET NEGLECTED. the war-scenes will be done as action-movie rather than quasi-psychotic, selfish, mechanical trudge to the goal of freedom, and the 'old lady' bit will be like Titanic II. she'll probably even die at the end for crying out loud.

i'm going to watch this, and then i'm going to write a damning, damning review. ooh, i'm gonna hate it.

― Just got offed, Sunday, August 5, 2007 1:28 AM (2 years ago)

To quote a Facebook wall-exchange I recently had:
... "The thing about Atonement is that it calls the entire fictional process into account with its astonishing closing page. It ought to have been filmed by Michael Winterbottom or something; the novel deliberately sabotages its own reality through the sabotaging of Bryony's fiction; I'm sure this could have been mirrored filmically. Furthermore, the opening half, set on that one day, unfolds inevitably, the writer psychologically inducing the reader to write the novel before reading it. The reader generally will achieve this, and will continue to do so throughout; this is how the punchline so pulls the rug out from under our feet. Aside from all this, however, the novel is written with a fantastic sensuality; the love-scene is as erotic (tenderly violent) as they come, and the parapraxes he absent-mindedly assigns each character (Robbie's letter, Paul's "You've got to bite it", his own list of tragedies at the start of part two to which Robbie adds his own, thus placing his very self, Ian McEwan, amongst the pantheon) allow the reader to integrate with the characters' viewpoints. In fact, the greatest parapraxis, the greatest error, is the unfinished act of love between Robbie and Cecilia; this psychological hook compels the reader to wish their love consummated; our frustration grows when we learn that they met but never made love. This, indeed, is why we dislike Bryony so intensely at the end of Book One; she has not only interrupted a sexual experience in which we have a vested interest, but she has sullied the life of a near-perfect male character whose perfection will be assured with the completion of his love.
... None of this will be in the film. In fact, the only bit I expect them to pull off is Robbie's ultra-pathetic return with lost boys in tow. As a reader, I knew that was going to happen AS SOON AS the accusation was made.
... I read Atonement about a month ago whilst holidaying in Cyprus, and my analysis of it stems not from A-level buit from my studies of Freud last year. I believe Robbie actually mentions Freud in the novel; a clue, perhaps, that McEwan himself is well-versed in Writing And The Unconscious. I'm studying post-1979 literature for my finals; I immediately wanted to write an essay on the novel's use of parapraxes, but then I discovered it had been filmed, and realised that addressing the now-tainted book would draw the deep disdain of all my professors."
... More on that McEwan thread I linked above. The keystone, from a male perspective at least, is that we ALL wish we'd made Robbie's letter-exchange-error, and from then on we're living, through him, some kind of idealised life, which is shockingly EVAPORATED before our helpless eyes.
― Just got offed, Thursday, September 13, 2007 1:56 PM (2 years ago)

I've pretty much seen it, anyway
Louis, you haven't seen it
― Tom D., Thursday, September 13, 2007 4:02 PM (2 years ago)

Ismael Klata, Monday, 15 February 2010 19:51 (fourteen years ago) link

"He can't do endings" OTM. The first half of this book, like the opening stretches of Enduring Love or The Child in Time, sets standards that the rest of it can't hope to meet.

gotanynewsstory? (Dorianlynskey), Monday, 15 February 2010 19:56 (fourteen years ago) link

I've only read On Chesil Beach and yes, he can't do endings. It was not a v. good read imo (made even less enjoyable having my crazy old lecturer talk about the use of ejaculation in it for like half an hour) and it has put me off reading anything else by McEwan.

80085 (a hoy hoy), Monday, 15 February 2010 20:05 (fourteen years ago) link

^I've only read Saturday and had the same reaction. The ending ruined it for me.

sofatruck, Monday, 15 February 2010 20:06 (fourteen years ago) link

Well this one's really good xp. I couldn't put the first part down, and the second part was nearly as good. The ending is awful, but like I said upthread, rip out the last ten pages before you start and that's that fixed. I see Louis liked it though.

That scene made me weep when I saw it at the cinema - though, to be fair, with that content and the way I see the world it was like pushing at an open door.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 15 February 2010 20:10 (fourteen years ago) link

so see the movie, ignore the actual book. gotcha.

80085 (a hoy hoy), Monday, 15 February 2010 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link

I read Amsterdam and Atonement and will never read McEwan again.

quincie, Monday, 15 February 2010 20:11 (fourteen years ago) link

i thought on chesil beach was the only book of his with a satisfactory ending although i haven't read atonement. the endings of saturday and enduring love are atrocious. he writes well though.

jed_, Monday, 15 February 2010 20:13 (fourteen years ago) link

One last one then I'll call it a night. Top ten in full tomorrow, real life permitting.

Ismael Klata, Monday, 15 February 2010 21:51 (fourteen years ago) link

11. The Savage Detectives - Roberto Bolaño (2007)
(104 points, six votes)

http://www.newyorker.com/images/2007/03/26/p233/070326_r16042_p233.jpg

Moreno:
I know a lot of people who feel like there's a let down after the exhilarating first section but I think thats what Bolano was going for. Essentially a novel about lost youth and friendship.

Roberto Bolano

Anyone else read Roberto Bolaño's The Savage Detectives?
I just finished it about 10 minutes ago, and it's a great read. Good enough to convince me to order By Night in Chile before I was finished reading the first book, just to have it ready to go.
There's a nice article about Bolaño and The Savage Detectives here
― Z S, Sunday, June 3, 2007 10:27 PM (2 years ago)

The Savage Detectives was the first thing I ever read by him, and it's still one of my very favorite books. In some ways, especially in the middle section with all of the interviews, it does the same thing I mentioned above in introducing characters that are gone too soon. The difference is, given his format in that section, there's always a possibility that they'll pop up again, either as a person being directly interviewed, or as a character in someone else's version of events. And those are just the "minor" characters in the book. Joaquin Font, the bookstore owner, stood out for me. Seeing his name pop up on the next page is always a "yes!" moment, at least for me.
... Then there's the main pair, Arturo Belano and Ulises Lima. Belano is supposed to be a stand-in for Roberto Bolano himself, which gives any scene that he's a part of another dimension to explore, if you want. Again, the interview format for the long middle section of the book is perfect for getting to know these characters. Some people think they're brilliant, others see them as mere drug dealers, some are teenagers who look up to them, others sleep with them, and so on.
... It's a really rewarding book, so good that I'm almost sad I started with it, because although I've enjoyed the other books I've read by him, I think he's at his best with more space to work with, letting his characters unfold over hundreds of enjoyable pages. That's why I'm so excited for 2666, later this year!
― Z S, Sunday, March 30, 2008 5:17 PM (1 year ago)

this is an amazing book - probably the best book ive read in a couple years
― _/(o_o)/¯ (deej), Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:15 PM (1 year ago)

Ismael Klata, Monday, 15 February 2010 21:53 (fourteen years ago) link

hey, look at that, more books i would have voted for are showing up now. sorry i doubted you, ilx literati.

strongohulkingtonsghost, Monday, 15 February 2010 23:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Heh, we're hitting the canon now.

Space Battle Rothko (Matt DC), Monday, 15 February 2010 23:29 (fourteen years ago) link


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