I'll have to go back now, damn it.
― Autumn Almanac, Sunday, 6 July 2008 08:47 (fifteen years ago) link
either way, too late now
Well yeah, quite. Half the show under RTD is McGuffins. Be interesting to see how the general tone alters under Stephen Moffatt. Is he in charge from now?
― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 6 July 2008 08:48 (fifteen years ago) link
Not for another 2 years. RTD has control over the off-year specials, doesn't he?
― kingfish, Sunday, 6 July 2008 08:49 (fifteen years ago) link
At any rate, who wants to place bets that he'll have a new Doctor when he finally gets the reins?
― kingfish, Sunday, 6 July 2008 08:51 (fifteen years ago) link
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/3329/jack2ax1.gif
YES YES LOOK AT THE CAMERA
― kingfish, Sunday, 6 July 2008 08:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, Jack enjoys pumping
I thought the Christmas special trailer was edited in a way that didn't rule out the possibility of David Morrissey being the next regeneration. Which would be cool, so probably he isn't.
― Noodle Vague, Sunday, 6 July 2008 08:54 (fifteen years ago) link
Wow, that was quick. The auto-suggest in my google window does "david morrissey david tennant" without even fully spelling it out, and here's the result:
from your friends at the Daily Mail
― kingfish, Sunday, 6 July 2008 09:00 (fifteen years ago) link
I'm torn between finding the Rose/Doctor clone matchup a bit fanfictiony and being totally charmed by it since I'm a romantic and have been dying for them to hook up. I was also waiting for David Morrissey to drop from the ceiling or something at the end of the episode so the lack of any hint of the Christmas special was a bit jarring.
― musically, Sunday, 6 July 2008 09:33 (fifteen years ago) link
xpost People have known about the Morrissey/Cybermen Christmas special for a few months now. It was a pretty big clue that Tennant wasn't going to regenerate this week, as there are lots of pictures of him and Morrissey traipsing around in costume.
Not least because a week of cliffhanger excitement dissipated in the first 30 seconds
I agree that this was kind of disappointing, but to be fair nearly every Who cliffhanger is cheaply satisfied within the first 30 seconds (I think we had this same conversation circa the Sontaran 2-parter).
I love Donna and I kind of hate her ending. We barely get a goodbye from the old Donna, just fearful gurgling and a mindzap and then oblivious chattering Donna to end with. It just felt abrupt, since she was already partially sidelined by Companionpalooza.
― reddening, Sunday, 6 July 2008 09:52 (fifteen years ago) link
Same thing happened to Jamie and Zoe when the Time Lords banished the Doctor to Earth back in, uh, 1969. Back to your old life, all memory of your travels with the Doctor wiped away.
― f. hazel, Sunday, 6 July 2008 10:47 (fifteen years ago) link
David Morrissey is the guy from Men Behaving Badly?
― byebyepride, Sunday, 6 July 2008 10:48 (fifteen years ago) link
No, that was Neil Morrissey
― Ed, Sunday, 6 July 2008 10:51 (fifteen years ago) link
The noise when the Shadow Proc lass talked to Donna was the heartbeat noise, wasn't it?
And given the Daleks can time travel, and have no fears about changing the course of history, the 'Dalek' thing bugs me not. I mean, they changed the Time War, which is presumably a bigger deal than changing events taking place in an isolated spot under Salt Lake City.
― James Morrison, Sunday, 6 July 2008 11:01 (fifteen years ago) link
Here's hoping that moffat can do a cliffhanger without doing a reset afterwards. Although SITL and FOTD don't give me much home.
Whilst I like the idea of Mickey in Torchwood I hope that Martha swiftly gets eaten by some unspeakable horror from the rift.
― Ed, Sunday, 6 July 2008 11:04 (fifteen years ago) link
What I liked is that there wasn't a reset at the end of this one: the thing with Donna was genuinely moving, and the fact that RTD managed to restrain from her giving the Doc a lingering look as he left, despite everything, impressed me.
― James Morrison, Sunday, 6 July 2008 11:08 (fifteen years ago) link
Donna and Wilf were absolutely brilliant, and am so sad they are consigned to history whilst EmoRose and DoctorTwo get to live on.
Could they not get the rest of Martha's family back? Am saddened that they didn't get Pete back, and why has Gay Todd From Corrie with that information thingie in his head never ever been re-referenced?
― ailsa, Sunday, 6 July 2008 11:33 (fifteen years ago) link
did davros have two ultimate triumphs? destroying everything, and being nasty to the doxor
― Alan, Sunday, 6 July 2008 12:23 (fifteen years ago) link
"Bad Wolf Bay"
― Tracer Hand, Sunday, 6 July 2008 12:40 (fifteen years ago) link
Yeah this felt like a succession of RTD pulling rabbits out of hats, I got very annoyed indeed at the opening but once I noticed the hand continuing to glow in the corner of the screen for a while I knew we weren't done with it. The rest of it = marvellous, needed more of everyone being nasty to Mickey though.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 6 July 2008 13:04 (fifteen years ago) link
This episode really tied in with what I've been saying about letting the air out of the Messianic Doctor balloon - this wasn't an OMG THE DOCTOR SAVES EVERYTHING episode at all, real ensemble cast feel to this one, everyone had a part to play. Well, except Jackie really, that was pointless. Total star turn from Donna as well. Also K-9 was a total icing on cake moment.
I get the feeling the two Tennants thing was structural rather than anything else, it allowed RTD to concentrate on Doctor-Donna and Doctor-Rose separately without having everyone tripping over one another.
Tennant I calling out Tennant II was almost as good as Davros calling out the Doctor. I liked how unbelievably unsatisfied Rose seemed by ending up with Tennant II. Almost as much as the look Tennant II gave when Donna said "I've got the best bit of the Doctor".
But really, the best bit was the Daleks speaking German.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 6 July 2008 13:13 (fifteen years ago) link
However Davros and the Daleks REALLY should have cottoned on to Dalek Caan going "and one of them will die!" every five minutes. I kept expecting Davros to turn round and go "hang on, we're going to kill everyone in the universe, I thought that was the point?"
― Matt DC, Sunday, 6 July 2008 13:20 (fifteen years ago) link
I didn't understand what Dalek Caan was up to - why did he bring Davros back to build a dalek empire in order to destroy it? Purely because he was crazed?
― nari, Sunday, 6 July 2008 13:28 (fifteen years ago) link
Lolled at Freema on Confidential afterwards moaning that the rest of them got to all hang around and do fun things and she had to go running round a forest in the dark.
German Daleks were the best thing by a very long way. Rest of it was just Rusty patting himself on the back for being very very clever "hello Gwen, we met your great-great-great-great-granny Gwyneth once" etc OH FUCK OFF.
Love Jackie so much "no you plum, he's called Tony" and would love to go to Torchwood with Mickey.
My theory was that Rose was disappointed with DoctorTwo because he will get old and grey and die and is therefore not going to look like Tennant forever and she is shallow. Would have been way better if DoctorTwo had actually been Ecclescake or McCoy or something though, see how all his memories and thoughts etc all stack up for her when not wrapped up in Tennant's body.
― ailsa, Sunday, 6 July 2008 13:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Would love *Jackie* to go to Torchwood obviously, though I would love to go too.
― ailsa, Sunday, 6 July 2008 13:34 (fifteen years ago) link
German Daleks are more efficient than their Anglophile counterparts but are somewhat flawed in that they feel the need to apologise for 50 years after the extermination.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 6 July 2008 16:13 (fifteen years ago) link
What did the German lady call the Daleks?
― Ed, Sunday, 6 July 2008 16:13 (fifteen years ago) link
Why did Rose have to go back to her other timeline but Mickey was allowed to stay in this one?
― ailsa, Sunday, 6 July 2008 16:26 (fifteen years ago) link
Did she have to? I thought she wanted to be with her parents.
― Ed, Sunday, 6 July 2008 16:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Wasn't she taken back to Bad Wolf Bay by The Doctor and Donna because the rift was closing again, and she didn't particularly want to go because she wanted to stay with the Doctor (as opposed to DoctorTwo who she got given as a present)
― ailsa, Sunday, 6 July 2008 16:31 (fifteen years ago) link
I may have missed some of the finer points through general hilarity and OH FUCK OFF-ness amongst my viewing companions.
― ailsa, Sunday, 6 July 2008 16:32 (fifteen years ago) link
Can someone remind me why a Norwegian beach is the gateway between universes?
― Alba, Sunday, 6 July 2008 16:46 (fifteen years ago) link
It looks pretty in a desolate and lonely way.
― Matt DC, Sunday, 6 July 2008 16:52 (fifteen years ago) link
It's where melody is the be all and end all.
― Herman G. Neuname, Sunday, 6 July 2008 16:54 (fifteen years ago) link
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-- Matt DC, Sunday, 6 July 2008 17:52 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link
And conveniently enough like south Wales to make the filming cheap.
― Ed, Sunday, 6 July 2008 16:57 (fifteen years ago) link
and is called Bad Wolf Bay. Real spoddy Who answer = it is the site of one of those rift thingies.
― ailsa, Sunday, 6 July 2008 17:00 (fifteen years ago) link
animated gifs are fun!
http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/5141/dalekpushpo8.gif
― kingfish, Sunday, 6 July 2008 17:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Also, turns out that Wilf's red cap wasn't SAS, but parachute regiment, and more than likely Cribbins' own.
― kingfish, Sunday, 6 July 2008 17:18 (fifteen years ago) link
His own!
aww.
I still don't know why people don't like the idea of Tennant and Piper pairing off. I think it's pretty OK.
― the pinefox, Sunday, 6 July 2008 17:38 (fifteen years ago) link
Why were there German daleks anyway?
I would have imagined that you people who actually watch the programme would have understood that, unlike the likes of me.
ie. that you might have seen them before or something.
― the pinefox, Sunday, 6 July 2008 17:39 (fifteen years ago) link
I think they were German because they were in Germany, pinefox.
I quite enjoyed it, but it was an ultimate cheese-fest. Didn't see the penultimate one so had no real sense of cliffhanger spoiled (and also as a non-regular Who watcher I don't really have anything invested in such things). Hated the Billie payoff, liked Davros and K9 and the Deutsche Daleks. I too wished he'd taken Cribbins (wasn't there a similar thing with another series/episode? An old guy wanting to be companion who he shuns?).
― emil.y, Sunday, 6 July 2008 19:10 (fifteen years ago) link
Mr copper in the Xmas special?
― Ed, Sunday, 6 July 2008 19:14 (fifteen years ago) link
The German dalek thing seemed pretty tasteless to me. Where there skinhead redneck daleks in Kentucky?
― forksclovetofu, Sunday, 6 July 2008 19:15 (fifteen years ago) link
Ed, I think you are correct.
forksclovetofu, why tasteless? They are in Germany, they need to have their cries of 'exterminate! Die, puny humans!' etc understood, so therefore they speak German. It just makes sense, especially as they had a human German character who did not default to speaking straight English.
― emil.y, Sunday, 6 July 2008 19:27 (fifteen years ago) link
Could they not get the rest of Martha's family back?
I cannot stand Martha's family. Just having to see her mother for a few minutes was too much.
― musically, Sunday, 6 July 2008 19:40 (fifteen years ago) link
digital subtitles (thanks red bee) had german lady say "Albtraum" for daleks
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albtraum
― Alan, Sunday, 6 July 2008 19:45 (fifteen years ago) link
also: MAXIMUM POWER
― Alan, Sunday, 6 July 2008 19:48 (fifteen years ago) link
and no pay off for the line in ep 12 "someone moved the earth before, but... no"
something for coming series? (esp when they discover all the timelords hiding 'saved' inside the matrix)
― Alan, Sunday, 6 July 2008 19:51 (fifteen years ago) link