The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

Audrey tatou

cruise

weren't there zero Clooney movies PLACING?

would love to see icey watching Gerry, Ludovico Treatment style

oh yeah, the mediocre Coens chain gang escape farce

morbs weve been through this ive seen and enjoyed gerry

i mean if gvs is yr icon of harcore unfrivolous quality i just dont know man smh

He certainly isnt

ok then why the torture fantasies!

i'm just funnin w/ you j0e, lets drink sometime eh

the abu ghraib/rendition stuff in CoM was overt, but i don't know if i'd say heavy-handed. and i didn't mind it then / don't mind it now. all good scifi is about "now" anyway.

i might have objected to it if i didn't like the larger context it was set in, but the movie was so good i thought it made it worked. "references to things" aren't objectionable on their own.

yeah i know and yes itd be my pleasure but still why did u choose gerry as yr torture delivery device

the 2000s: most consistent actor/actor with the best choice in projects

it's just the opp of Bourne kineticism -- you know, like the way you guys caricature my taste all the time.

lol ok whatevs - btw gerry is near the top of my excellent bostonisms list even if it doesn actually take place in the boston - of course those guys are like from boston so its not thaaat impressive

CoM doesn't really strike me as allegorical as basically mechanical, as in, ok, let's say female fertility left the planet, and no one knew why? what would happen? and then, with one woman, it came back? how would that go.

i mean, it's more like those alternate history nerds who wonder what would happen if rommel had a bad cold in 1936 or whatever.

i'm not saying it doesn't play around with a LOT of ideas about the makeup and current state of western society or whatev -- it totally does -- but "fertility" equalling "mary" is only there as a very rough echo imo

movies from my ballot I thought had a chance of making top 100, but didn't
9. No Man’s Land - 32pts
29. Birth - 12pts
33. Wrestler, The - 8pts
35. Secretary - 6pts

movies that might have made top 100 if more than 10 ppl had seen them

2. Atanarjuat: The Fast Runner (Zacharias Kunuk, 2001) - 39pts
10. Sympathy for Lady Vengeance - 31pts
21. Paprika - 20pts
24. Oasis - 17pts
30. A Tale of Two Sisters (Kim Ji-woon, 2003) - 11pts
38. Proposition, The - 3pts

movies I personally would've like to see make top 100 but had no chance tbh
5. Decasia - 36pts
6. Martyrs - 35pts
11. A Good Lawyer’s Wife (Im Sang-soo, 2003) - 30pts

i think we can all agree (well except u i guess) that there is obviously a deliberate mythical undercurrent to the movie (look at the way every animal in the movie nuzzles up to clive owen - great touch). what i think we're disagreeing on is whether that takes away from the film. imo it IS the film.

wasn't sure whether to put that on ballot thread or not but thought you guys needed a break from personal attacks

i think you're underestimating how many people saw "sympathy for lady vengeance" - truth was it was no damn good

imo

I think CofM is a fine film, wouldnt have been on my ballot. I tried to say this on the thread about it when I complained it wasnt "radical" enough (a ridiculous thing to say but i'll stick with it). The film would have actually been more interesting to me if it had pursued the religious angle MORE, as it is, it's just standard humanism (as max said upthread) and it's kinda embarrassing and heavy-handed in THAT respect. maybe you could see the film as humanizing the christ parable...and that's the point, the gap that creates the meaning of the film as Lamp said.

s1ocki, did you not like lady vengeance?

cuz I can't post about it without you following on w/ "it sucked!"

and fwiw as far as my limited exposure to intelligence industry types seems smart high school jock is not an unusual irl type

I used to be in a band w/two dudes from the CIA, no joke, and they were . . . not this.

cuz I can't post about it without you following on w/ "it sucked!"

― 鬼の手 (Edward III), Friday, February 12, 2010 11:07 AM (14 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

my actual point is that i do think more than "10 people" saw it as it was the follow-up to a super-popular movie. sorry i just needed to twist the knife there

after "thirst" i really had to just completely wash my hands of that guy.

I used to be in a band w/two dudes from the CIA

hope you did a cover of "CIA man"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW9cCWm53H4

The film would have actually been more interesting to me if it had pursued the religious angle MORE

i kind of agree w/ this, but i still love the movie pretty much unreservedly

i think we can all agree (well except u i guess) that there is obviously a deliberate mythical undercurrent to the movie (look at the way every animal in the movie nuzzles up to clive owen - great touch). what i think we're disagreeing on is whether that takes away from the film. imo it IS the film.

― snoocki (s1ocki), Friday, February 12, 2010 10:05 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

tbh i'd completely forgotten about those animally details! the "mythic" elements and the "ideological" ones kind of run together in my head (omg are they the same thing?!?!) like the celebrity cult around 'baby diego', the hippie midwife's half-assed hinduism, the way it lingers on all the european cultural wreckage stored up in those rooms in the refugee camp, the backstory about raiding the continent to save its artwork -- basically, all the stuff we're shown about what people believe, why they believe it, was all really resonant and amazing to me.

i don't remember, does anyone use the word 'miracle'?

s1ocki I think you're the one underestimating how many ppl actually liked lady vengeance

imdb:
oldboy 8.3/10
lady vengeance 7.7/10

metacritic:
oldboy 74 metascore, 8.4 user score
lady vengeance 75 metascore, 7.6 user score

you act like lady vengeance was ishtar

low ranking might be due to lady vengeance/mr vengeance vote splitting tbh

should have just nominated "sympathy for mr & mrs vengeance"

it's "ms" you sexist bastid

oldboy has higher highs but lady vengeance is more consistent - it doesn't have the same 3rd act problems that oldboy does

i know im being a dick by just saying "it sucks" but i really can't remember anything about it except for a couple fragmented images and the bad aftertaste

s'alright yer still a bro

if ppl didn't weigh lady vengeance down with expectations like FOLLOWUP TO OLDBOY OMG and just said ok lemme check out this freaky black comedy they might enjoy it more

always hoping its rep grows with time

CoM's birth scene, even more than the car attack, raised "How'd the effects work in that" more than kept me in thrall emotionally.

i hope i grow to love and accept it one day like a wayward child xp

CoM doesn't really strike me as allegorical as basically mechanical, as in, ok, let's say female fertility left the planet, and no one knew why? what would happen? and then, with one woman, it came back? how would that go.

OTM

CoM's birth scene, even more than the car attack, raised "How'd the effects work in that" more than kept me in thrall emotionally.

― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Friday, February 12, 2010 11:25 AM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

ya to me scenes like that (and the escape-the-farm scene) were the real centerpieces

Really enjoyed this thread btw! Wish i had been paying attention enough before to have voted.

The "action" scenes in CofM are incredible, and much for the same reasons the sex scenes in y tu mama are.

blood on the lens?

or the dude who looks like Ed with an assault rifle, imo

Ping pong balls too

The "action" scenes in CofM are incredible, and much for the same reasons the sex scenes with yo mama are.

symp 4 lady vgnce sux there u go issue solved

rolling thru devasted london in the back of bentley to court of the crimson king meetin some corrupt prince in front of statue of david (his dogs!) clive disarming himself of his liquor - man thats such an amazing sequence

thanks and respect to omar. the screen caps were fantastic, some very neat encapsulations&moment pinpointing: new world, american psycho, memento, in bruges, ghost world, serious man, in the loop, grizzly man, inland empire. h&k, eastern promises, gosford park. the tropical malady one makes me curious about it.

I voted for lady vengeance and its been appreciated by everyone I know who's seen it. cake decorating, horrible lesbian sex, great soundtrack, brief barely-possible-to-watch section of horror/awfulness, very stylish.

from my top ten that didn't place:

waltz w/ bashir
five obstructions
all about lily chou-chou

other shit from my list I thought might have placed:

primer (no one dig this?)
zatoichi
chopper
hero