The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

Yeah, same. I only really remembered that bit when I saw it mentioned here.

Blasé on lezzing, blasé on the causes of lezzing.

Can't believe I forgot about the manger bullshit in ConM. Easiest way to make me hate a flick with some decent action scenes is to make it feel like Xian propaganda.

guys not all reference to a system of beliefs held by millions of ppl worldwide--the stories contained in which have influenced nearly all western art directly or indirectly--is "propaganda"

forgetting about the Jesus-y manger in CofM vs forgetting the lezzing up in Mulholland Drive

isnt totally weird that a story about an important birth would refer to the most famous story of an important birth, ever?!

shrill atheists be shrillin

I don't think it's weird, I think it's totally cheap.

come on bro, how?

i mean theres as much time spent subverting the christ-parallels as there is setting them up

things I remember about M Drive:
(max style bullet point) homeless guy with a cube
(max style bullet point) cowboy sleeping with a man's wife, then the cuckold pours paint all over her jewelry
(max style bullet point) lesbo scene
(max style bullet point) something about hollywood chewing you up and spitting you out
(max style bullet point) it was all a dream

pretty sure that no matter where you have the saviour/future of the race come from in your movie someone is gonna read some dumb shit into it. as well just to do the manger and say 'fuck em' and get on with it.

CoM is kind of "christians against god", if it's christian

If you're going to use some kind of symbolism in a film I'd prefer in not be the most obvious pandering symbolism possible (lol at this coming from the guy who loved the shit out of Pulse). CoM left me with the same rolling-my-eyes feeling that Signs did.

Xpost - that's no reason AT ALL to do the manger thing.

anyway com is HUMANIST propaganda if its propaganda for anything

xxp lol

im actually wondering what other symbolism you mean besides the 'manger' thing?

(i actually dont even know what 'manger' thing youre talking about)

smh

the end is nigh dudes get sent up, totally

the manger thing was pretty ham-fisted. I didn't automatically equate that with Christian propaganda, but it made me like the movie less.

the pink floyd symbol was pretty symbolic I thought

cmon mayng-er

kinda thought collateral was a lock

Cruise better in his high school play

Who knows, maybe it's just some catholics-anonymous shit I need to get through, but I guarantee you if I watched that film with my mom she'd think it was a bad movie and too violent until the manger scene would totally change her perspective on it.
xpost- am i really just imagining a scene in which a miracle birth takes place in a stable? did that not happen?

what is the 'manger thing' pls

haha yes you are imagining that

the black girl is first seen in a stable, yes

yr moms misreading of the film shouldnt affect yr own take on it imo

Alright, maybe I shd just CIO go watch the damn thing again. The car scene really was one of the best of the decade.

the girl also jokes to Owen that she's a virgin.

Hey guys, yr anti-Christian bigotry is showing.

^^ yeah this is what i mean by subverting the christ-parallel

she has the kid in the refugee/deportation camp, which is enough reference to the lowly conditions of the birth of Jesus for me to view it as heavy-handed symbolism. The movie had parts I liked; I didn't dislike CofM, but it's nowhere near one of the best films of the decade.

that scene where clive owen turns the thames into a river of franzia and all the oppressed immigrants party down on the banks was pretty bullshit though...otherwise it was an excellent movie

what was ham-fisted about it?

she has the kid in the refugee/deportation camp, which is enough reference to the lowly conditions of the birth of Jesus for me to view it as heavy-handed symbolism.

you are mental

she has the kid in the refugee/deportation camp, which is enough reference to the lowly conditions of the birth of Jesus for me to view it as heavy-handed symbolism.

...

you are mental

you are oblivious

in the spirit of engagement im ok with you making the extremely dubious parallel of "shitty refugee camp" and "manger in nazareth" but its such a shaky reading its totally bizarre to call it "heavy-handed"

i can imagine ilx reaction if the kid was born in a palace how heavy handed would that symbolism be for you?

I don't know, I may be misremembering some things, but I don't think I'm THAT bitter of an ex-xian to have completely made-up an impression of xian symbolism out of nowhere.

tbh i DON'T EVEN SEE THE PROBLEM if it is a parallel. omg trace of christianity kill kill.

So how many films on the list have people now read (usually bogus) conservative messages into? If only Michael Medved realised how much Judeo-Christian, Randian, pro-life propaganda Hollywood was pumping out, he could relax a little.

From what I remember of the film every other scene was all silk upholstery and peeled grapes so yeah why would they pick such a shitty place for the birth?

yeah there is definitely christian symbolism but... i got over it

randian animated kids movies let's not forget

at this point i assume there isn't a film sarahel isn't wrong about

at this point i assume there isn't a film sarahel isn't wrong about

― Mordy, Friday, February 12, 2010 12:32 PM (1 second ago) Bookmark

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how is it a shaky reading - because there's not a flashing sign saying "Nazareth" or something so obvious a retard would see it? The mind-numbing literalism of some of folks' posts here is just really incredible. Are you serious or are you trolling?

movie would be seriously improved by a neon nazareth sign imo, mayeb the only improvement i could suggest

at this point i assume there isn't a film sarahel isn't wrong about

― Mordy, Friday, February 12, 2010 6:32 AM (30 seconds ago) Bookmark

Says the guy who voted Garden State at #4

sarahel, it is a Christian metaphor and noticing that doesn't explain why that's a bad thing, or heavy handed. does Paradise Lost blow too? cause that's got a lot of god stuff in it