The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

I'll be honest and say I don't remember hardly anything about this film.

One of the few films I actually own.

But I voted for it anyway just cuz my impression of it eight years ago was WOWZA.

Also I really like the scene where she got the abortion.

man i remember lots of scenes and details. and i've only seen it once, when it came out.

I'm seeing why neorealism didn't do well in the '40s poll.

had a big onion in it, right?

Yes.

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xpost Sorry, rejoining the thread a little late for this but re: "could never get over the cognitive dissonance of FUCKING DISNEY selling me a movie about consumerism and over-consumption." The other day I was thinking about how many Pixar and Pixaresque movies have a similar anti-corporate message: the bastardising of the chef's brand in Ratatouille, the boardroom creep in Robots, the greedy company boss in Monsters Inc. I wonder if it's the individual filmmakers, who are v protective and, as much as you can be in animation, auteurish, grumbling about the machine - that plotline in Ratatouille is almost a preemptive attack on the film's merchandise. I wouldn't be surprised if there were some coded attacks on Michael Eisner in the mix.

5 for 5 on the top 10 list I made last night

I'll be honest and say I don't remember hardly anything about this film.

I didn't either, but rereading the Wikipedia entry on it brought back the entire film almost as if I'd seen it yesterday.

Pretty ironic that a film as anti-pollution as Spirited Away is distributed by Disney!

haw

where's the spirited away haterade

would you accept complete indifference?

that will have to do

I wish I could go back in time and reorder my ballot, I placed this way too low.

remember what happened to donnie darko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEszTzdUMcY

So what are the surprise films to not place in the top 100?

man i need to see this again. when bluray?!

Spirited Away is the best of 00s Miyazakis, but I'd still rate Totoro, Laputa, and Porco Rosso above it. That's not a particularly damning comment though, as they're all great. My favourite movies of his have this slow, meditative quality, which was somewhat missing from Sprited Away (and which was more evident in Ponyo), but it makes it up by the sheer richness of ideas and visual imagination. I definitely should rewatch SA, I haven't seen it since it came out. (It's just that I hate watching movies like that on the small screen, hopefully the local film archive will screen it some day.)

re spirited away: sorry, the most I can muster is a slightly annoyed yawn.

And yeah, it seems pretty obvious this is the movie no one will confess to hate. Can't imagine anyone doing so.

So what are the surprise films to not place in the top 100?

maybe we should ask this when it's done

calling the Fat People in Space portion BAD is just hysteria.

― Fusty Moralizer (Dr Morbius), Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:28 PM (49 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

it's totally pedestrian compared to the last 45 mins of nemo or monsters inc. agree with people upthread saying you shouldn't hold the great first 20 mins against the rest of the movie, but the rest of the movie is dull, and the message stuff doesn't make up for it, any more than it does in avatar.

not seen spirited away. sounds like dog shit.
re: IB, i voted for it, but not top 10. i don't think it would place that high if this poll were done in 5 years time. i guess it picked up a lot of votes form people for whom it was the last film they really enjoyed in the cinema.

re spirited away: sorry, the most I can muster is a slightly annoyed yawn.

― sarahel, Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:31 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

awesome, thanks - really changed the way i think about this movie

xp tuomas: i can confess to hating it if it makes this thread more enjoyable.

It does not.

fwiw Ponyo is the first and only movie my 3 year old neph has seen

ppl who wanted to rep for tarantino but couldn't bring themselves to vote kill bills or death proof

xp to caek

to be honest, and i realise this is only slightly less retardé than "sounds like dogshit", the title of spirited away has always put me off.

in all honesty i think IB has the sort of things in it that morbius might actually enjoy, as long as he forgets what he already thinks of it!

It wasn't in my top forty but it's the best thing QT's done all decade.

I didn't think it would either, Eric, tbh.

not seen spirited away. sounds like dog shit.

what the fuck?! based on what?

xp, aarrgh

ok well i'm going out for the next several hours, so i'd just like to pre-emptively note that all haters of mulholland drive, eternal sunshine and TWBB are rong as rong can be.

and thanks for the poll omar, it's been great fun.

the title in japanese more directly translates as "Sen and Chihiro's Spiriting Away"

What a dogshit title.

in all honesty i think IB has the sort of things in it that morbius might actually enjoy, as long as he forgets what he already thinks of it!

― ('_') (omar little), Thursday, February 11, 2010 3:35 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i've always said this... its a damn shame!

"i don't think it would place that high if this poll were done in 5 years time. i guess it picked up a lot of votes form people for whom it was the last film they really enjoyed in the cinema."

I think this is true, and a good thing. There's a tendency to disadvantage more recent releases in any kind of poll - witness most of the "albums of the 00s" lists in various publications - because it feels too early to take the plunge on something that hasn't had time to bed in, and it's refreshing to get "yay, fuck it, I loved this" instead.

One think I love about Miyazaki, and which seems to be kinda rare in Western animation (or animation in general), is how much he obviously loves the nature and how beautiful and enchanting he can make it look like without doing much cartoonish exaggeration at all. I could spend hours just watching him depict trees, grass, rain, wind, the ocean...

So what are the surprise films to not place in the top 100?

Well, for a start, I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that ILX doesn't heart Huckabees as much as I thought they might.

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i thought characters made little sense, psychologically, historically, whatever. pta didn't seem to care whether a particular span of the film made sense with regard to the rest (i'm speaking in terms of character). for an historical film it didn't seem too invested in any sense of history, except as a challenge for mise en scene--there were all these other people around plainview and sunday and pta didn't seem to want to do anything with them, even in the background.

i suppose an evident and developing formal pattern might have deflected some of my attention from this but i didn't find the film all that remarkable (except for a few brilliant set pieces) from this standpoint either. i just didn't get it. i'd have to see it again for this to be anything but a tentative assessment, but my experience was such that i'm not sure i want to see it again.

don't get me wrong, it was interesting, and i wasn't bored. but i felt completely emotionally uninvested in it, in part b/c the film never seemed to know what it's attitude toward its characters was.

― amateurist

that's PTA's MO throughout the whole movie. he's obsessively focused on plainview alone, really, to the point of not even bothering to include the expository material amateurist was asking about. it's a very strange but imo effective approach.and i think the key thing about plainview's character is his total alone-ness. the important line for me was "i want to make enough money to get away from everyone."

― s1ocki

i think the plainview character is all that american frontierist self-invention, daniel boone via ayn rand. he's not interested in religion except as a power system and has contempt for the idea of it as anything else. (in a way the last scene could be grover norquist vs. mike huckabee.) but of course eli mostly sees religion as a means to power too, so they're not really at odds, which is the point of plainview's humiliation of him.

― tipsy mothra

i guess the narrative on the film is pta leavin' his comfort zone, but that was kind of the narrative for the last film, and 'hard eight' is pretty unlike the others too... i liked the comfort zone and wish he had spent more time in it, because i think he understands miserable los angelenos and coked-up young idiots better than he does turn-of-the-century oilmen.

― That one guy that hit it and quit it

Certainly the first hour and a half is the best thing PTA has done (no, I'm not a fan). That said, I think I was only thrilled by the 2 big oilstrike scenes, and the DDL/Kevin J O'Connor fireside talk (the way Plainview snorts about people, then laughs).

And what is "the Third Revelation," biblically? cuz in terms of this films it might be:

THE LAST SCENE SUCKS!!!

― Dr Morbius

So wait, those identical twins weren't the same guy? That confusion,
and the lame helplessness of the preacher before the now-mythical
milkshake speech, blat out in an otherwise sweeping symphony. Or maybe
they "make" the movie--I honestly don't know.

- Pete Scholtes

Daniel Day-Lewis is gonna win the surprisingly heavy statue next year. His characterization is fascinating. It's all-consuming and oversized, and it's such a "performance" that it blocks you from fully transporting into the story, but it's its own work of art.

― Cosmo Vitelli

anticiapte "There Will Be Blood" by paul thomas anderson

#5

There Will Be Blood
Paul Thomas Anderson
2007
United States
(1187 points, 42 votes, 3 first place)

Here's a fun, non-spoilerizing question: what are everyone's highest ranking movies that they're positive aren't going to make it into the top ten? Mine is To Be And To Have at #4.

― SNEEZED GOING DOWN STEPS, PAIN WHEN PUTTING SOCKS ON (Deric W. Haircare), Thursday, February 11, 2010 5:48 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

blades of glory

i'm late for the party...

I think this is true, and a good thing. There's a tendency to disadvantage more recent releases in any kind of poll - witness most of the "albums of the 00s" lists in various publications - because it feels too early to take the plunge on something that hasn't had time to bed in, and it's refreshing to get "yay, fuck it, I loved this" instead.

― gotanynewsstory? (Dorianlynskey), Thursday, February 11, 2010 8:37 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yep, wouldn't be surprised to see people being a bit more confident about putting the blind side in their top 10 in 2050

never saw #6 or #5 myself - not really interested in TWBB but Miyazaki seems like a safe director to take a chance on

TWBB is really fucking great.

i think IB has the sort of things in it that morbius might actually enjoy

Enough to wipe out "The powerrr of the ssssssssinema is going to BRING DOWN THE THIRD REICH!" (hatchet-faced geek on promo tour smiles smugly)? Doubtful.

i can't believe people think of TWBB as some decade classic with paul dano's completely embarrassing performance