The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

And, yeah, the truism that WALL-E's first 20 minutes are way better than the rest =/= rest of the movie is bad.

I'm sure that's entirely true but those movies weren't cutesy little robot movies specifically ABOUT humanity's garbage. If Exxon made a cute little movie about a robot teaching humanity about the evils of the oil industry wouldn't you be just a little bit suspect/confused

Some of that suspicion sort of has to rest on what the actual message is, doesn't it? I mean, if the robot says "hey kids, oil companies are pollution monsters that kill cute animals... EXCEPT FOR EXXON, WHO EMPLOYS CUTE ANIMALS TO WORK IN SPARKLING FUN PALACES" you might have a valid point, but I gather from the people who have seen "Wall-E" that the message given isn't quite that self-serving...?

up doesn't have halves, it's perfectly formed

I like the idea of a sparkling fun palace.

xp - but I think at this point in history, audiences are a lot more savvy about motives vis a vis corporations and selling messages, especially ones as blatant as your Exxon/cute robot example. Maybe you don't, but I often have mixed feelings about things.

man, a movie that tries to do something cinematic with Real Serious Problems just gets shit on for the attempt. or for not offering a solution, or being absolutely clear about real-world villains, or something, i dunno.

"disney" didn't make wall-e, a bunch of individual employees of disney did. who signs the checks is an important part of the equation, but i don't think it's absolutely damning.

haven't seen this btw (not like that's a problem itt amirite)

and while all of you dither about the pixar cash machine rolls on

I like the idea of a sparkling fun palace.

I'm working in one right now

And, yeah, the truism that WALL-E's first 20 minutes are way better than the rest =/= rest of the movie is bad.

― queen frostine (Eric H.), Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:35 PM (1 minute ago)

^^^this exactly.

must it devolve into wall-to-wall action?

If it wants to keep ice cr?am awake, it does.

Plus tbqf it's not like Disney commissioned an anti-consumerist script and hired Pixar to make it. Movie was developed in-house at Pixar and production started long before Disney actually acquired Pixar and were just the distribution/marketing partner splitting production costs and profits. Did Disney even have script approval or edits on Pixar movies prior to the acquisition?

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I think in a lot of ways Wall-E did what Idiocracy tried to do a lot better.

sometimes i am sleepy morbz!

BTW:

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,391 for wall-e toys.
http://www.google.com/products?q=wall-e+toys&hl=en&aq=f

Results 1 - 10 of about 39,020 for incredibles toys.
http://www.google.com/products?q=incredibles+toys&hl=en&aq=f

Results 1 - 10 of about 15,685 for disney cars toys
http://www.google.com/products?q=disney+cars+toys&hl=en&aq=f

I don't really get why the funding of the movie is such a big thing. If Disney wants to fund a movie with a ecological message, how is the message diminished by knowing who paid the bill? I'd understand the argument if there were some signs of Disney diluting or censoring the message, but I didn't see any of that in WALL-E. It's still a pretty damning statement regardless of who paid for it.

like I said, I enjoyed the first third or so but I agree with the critique that once it gets into space it just devolves into a very predictable ho-hum "oooh look another purdy chase scene" morass. political issues aside, that anyone thinks this is the best filmmaking of the decade is .. *smh*

jhosh, its because you are high, its ok, you can tell us

would a regular movie with a great first 30 minutes and a mediocre final hour be in the top 10? it's insulting to real humans I tell ya

plus the character design was lifted almost wholesale from Short Circuit. SHORT CIRCUIT people!

lol tbh dont smoke weed :/

Short Circuit without Ally Sheedy, might I add.

considering that two Bourne movies made it onto this poll, it appears that ilx appreciates purdy chase scenes.

Johnny 5 was just a robot ET anyway.

sorry for all the yelling btw

and the WALL-E people replaced the Saturday Night Sequence with Hello Dolly! or whatever.

lol http://www.google.com/products?q=ratatouille+toys&hl=en&aq=f
Results 1 - 10 of about 886 for ratatouille toys.

eco-friendliest of all is the one about a rat running around in ppl's food

its an outrage all 3 bournes didnt appear, poll invalidated

ok omar I think we're about ready for our next socio-politcal debate over the petro-military industrial complex

i was just making a preemptive morbs actually xxxpostts

The political message was heavy-handed and clumsy. I think this argument has illustrated that consumerism is a lot more complicated than the big company=bad message of the film.

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,700,000 for fight club toys

chase scenes are one of the cornerstones of cinema - I don't see why they should invalidate the greatness or worth of a film.

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,700,000,000,000 for sex toys

^ fight the real enema

hey can we have a show of hands of people that didnt give the slightest fuck about the political message of wall-e?

yeah so if astroglide makes wall-e 2 i will join yer crusade of outrage xpost

here - all my complaints were aesthetic

Ratatouille would have been 100x improved if instead of generic CG rat it was Patton Oswalt in filthy brown pajamas with foam rat ears on top. Also the toys for that would be awesome!

not ascetic

david lynch's ratatouille

like don't shit on my plate and call it ice cream

waiting for ice cr?m to change screen name to shit on plate

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ2GNk5zPuE

Patton Oswalt does an AMAZING joke about the halloween merchandising for ratatouille but i cant do it justice here

waiting for ice cr?m to change screen name to shit on plate

― Moreno, Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:48 PM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

just cant do it sry

wall-e 2: wall-e & the bea-v

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/inglourious.png

this was partly ok but mostly terrible.

+ his dialogue for the brits was very good

- all of the stuff involving the americans was very poor

+ the french girl was very beautiful

- the ending in the cinema was a disaster

+ the first scene was excellent

- most of the other long dialogue scenes were less than excellent

― history mayne

i mean in all honestly you couldn't really dream up a movie designed to appeal to me more than this—tough-as-nails jewish commandos scalping nazis, a beautiful jewish survivor who assumes a new identity and runs an art house theater in paris... a film critic turned war hero!you know what this film reminded me of? bertrand tavernier's totally slept-on 2002 laissez-passer, set in the occupied french film industry.

- s1ocki

I think the film pretty explicitly elides the moral quandary involved through all the meta-references to film and its uses. It continually hits the audience over the head with how UNREAL it is, that this is a fairytale, a fantasy writ large via film - but also that this is precisely the kind of defeat that would have driven actual, real-life Nazis nuts. That they would be the butt of jokes, that their propaganda films would pale in comparison to the propaganda films of "Jewish" Hollywood, that Jews would make a movie where they not only kill a bunch of Nazis, but also do it with an aesthetic flair that shames Leni Riefenstahl and Goebbels - this is the real revenge, and the way that subtext is integrated into the plot and characters of the movie itself is great. At every turn Tarantino's pointing out that beating the Nazis with film is the ultimate triumph, one that's more fun and more meaningful than any purely military victory, because its beating them with ideas and images.

― Shakey Mo Collier

To put it plainly though for a movie that everyone (including the Director!) was making out to be this glorious cheerleading session for the massacre of Nazis, it goes awfully far out it's way for me to present those being massacred in a strangely sympathetic light, explicitly identify the audience with those being massacred/tortured, and present the titular characters (when they are being shown at all--for a movie called Inglourius Basterds there isn't a lot of Basterding in it) as being sadistic terrorist thugs. That people are still cheering seems more an example of their choosing not to observe these "frictions" or whatever, not of the film's supposed sympathies.

― Alex in SF

Perhaps what Tarantino intended is not the most relevant thing here. What goes on in his mind might be of interest or it might not. But for me, wondering about his intent is kind of a proxy for wondering about the overall effect of the film. So the question is whether the net effect is to glamorize violence or to discourage it, and whether we should care. I guess I'm on the side that says we should care, and that it glamorizes violence more than it discourages it. I'm not sure what if anything we should try to do about that.

― o. nate

I'm like a hundred years late to the thread, but I finally saw this last night. QT didn't disappoint. I liked the slower pace, and the careful focus on the character development in those long exchanges. Landa was incredible...so varied and creepily likeable.

I didn't see this discussed anywhere yet, did anyone else feel that Landa knew who Shoshanna was in the restaurant? My husband and I discussed this; I felt that him ordering the glass of milk for her was signal enough; but my husband said that if he had recognized her surely he would have ended the cat and mouse by having her killed somehow, since that's how he operates. But I got the feeling that he was torturing her enough by making her think he knew her, and that her feeling hunted would get him the result he wanted in the end. i'm probably reading WAY too much into it. But damn, QT gave you so much character this time! I loved it. Will definitely see it again.

― VegemiteGrrrl

his was the first american ww2 movie since patton that had nazis actually speaking 100% pitch-perfect prussian/nazi german, kudos to whoever counseled qt on that. even recent movies like pvt ryan and valkyrie have nazis go 'jawoll schnitzel glauten globen mein führer' so its nice to see someone get it right for a change.

― ☆

Anticipating Quentin Tarantino's "Inglourious Basterds"...

#7

Inglourious Basterds
Quentin Tarantino
2009
United States
(982 points, 38 votes)

FUUUUUUUUUCK YOU ALL

morbs, DON'T

hahahaha

If it wants to keep ice cr?am awake, it does.

The funny thing about this argument is that my opposition to wall-to-wall action isn't borne out of a distaste for vulgarity or anything like that but from the fact that it actually makes my attention drift rather than perk up. The great thing about The Hurt Locker, for instance, is that it's a series of set pieces where you know exactly what's happening and who's involved and what the stakes are, and the lack of anything extraneous to that makes it gripping. When there's an endless series of explosions and chases and gunfire, it's hard for me to follow what's going on (even in WALL-E, I couldn't figure out for a long time who had the flower), and I start tuning out.