The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

could never get over the cognitive dissonance of FUCKING DISNEY selling me a movie about consumerism and over-consumption. O RLY. its called co-opting the critique via spectacle and its lame.

― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:21 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban

srs or no?

films that may have even made points that, when taking that into account, seem contradictory.

Heaven forbid that kids have toys to play with.

calling the Fat People in Space portion BAD is just hysteria.

no, it's not bad, and as satire it's pretty great, but caring about what happened... didn't happen

Shakey would rather have Greenpeace distribute expensive animated films w/ anticonsumerist message

Shakey's argument here manages to be the worst of the entire thread.

I kind of wish I'd seen "Wall-E" because this pile-on is shaping up hilariously

my children only play with hemp

is discussion of every film in the top 10 going to devolve into political butthurtz

top 100 more like

i'm quite certain there are films you like and went to see that were made by studios owned by corporations who cause horrible landfill overspill worldwide.

I'm sure that's entirely true but those movies weren't cutesy little robot movies specifically ABOUT humanity's garbage. If Exxon made a cute little movie about a robot teaching humanity about the evils of the oil industry wouldn't you be just a little bit suspect/confused

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like don't shit on my plate and call it ice cream, its just insulting

In their defense they didn't exactly flood the market with WALL-E toys, which was kind of admirable. There were a few here and there, but not exactly a merchandising blitz.

luvd wall*e - everyone is right that the beginning is better than the end - and im right that UP is better altogether

If tobacco industry can be made to fund anti-tobacco ads, I'm all for Exxon funding No Blood For Oil agit-prop.

guys, remember when wall-e was offensive to fat people?

uh shakey i think i could see where you were going with this if wall-e had been made by the disposable diaper industry or something but as it is i am confused

don't get me started on the second half of up

i was the #1 for Wall-E :) :) :)

and im right that UP is better altogether

I thought the fat people in outerspace part was better than the talking dogs part of Up.

Loved the first third of WALL-E; the rest was too garish and confusingly frenetic. My feelings weren't too different from when I saw The Dark Knight, tbh: must it devolve into wall-to-wall action?

Where was Eva's abortion, I ask you.

up doesnt have halves its seamless fyi

If tobacco industry can be made to fund anti-tobacco ads, I'm all for Exxon funding No Blood For Oil agit-prop.

if Wall-E's making had been forced on Disney/Pixar by the gov't and civil lawsuits I would enjoy my lolz at the accompanying "warm... and mandoatory" ad campaign

And, yeah, the truism that WALL-E's first 20 minutes are way better than the rest =/= rest of the movie is bad.

I'm sure that's entirely true but those movies weren't cutesy little robot movies specifically ABOUT humanity's garbage. If Exxon made a cute little movie about a robot teaching humanity about the evils of the oil industry wouldn't you be just a little bit suspect/confused

Some of that suspicion sort of has to rest on what the actual message is, doesn't it? I mean, if the robot says "hey kids, oil companies are pollution monsters that kill cute animals... EXCEPT FOR EXXON, WHO EMPLOYS CUTE ANIMALS TO WORK IN SPARKLING FUN PALACES" you might have a valid point, but I gather from the people who have seen "Wall-E" that the message given isn't quite that self-serving...?

up doesn't have halves, it's perfectly formed

I like the idea of a sparkling fun palace.

xp - but I think at this point in history, audiences are a lot more savvy about motives vis a vis corporations and selling messages, especially ones as blatant as your Exxon/cute robot example. Maybe you don't, but I often have mixed feelings about things.

man, a movie that tries to do something cinematic with Real Serious Problems just gets shit on for the attempt. or for not offering a solution, or being absolutely clear about real-world villains, or something, i dunno.

"disney" didn't make wall-e, a bunch of individual employees of disney did. who signs the checks is an important part of the equation, but i don't think it's absolutely damning.

haven't seen this btw (not like that's a problem itt amirite)

and while all of you dither about the pixar cash machine rolls on

I like the idea of a sparkling fun palace.

I'm working in one right now

And, yeah, the truism that WALL-E's first 20 minutes are way better than the rest =/= rest of the movie is bad.

― queen frostine (Eric H.), Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:35 PM (1 minute ago)

^^^this exactly.

must it devolve into wall-to-wall action?

If it wants to keep ice cr?am awake, it does.

Plus tbqf it's not like Disney commissioned an anti-consumerist script and hired Pixar to make it. Movie was developed in-house at Pixar and production started long before Disney actually acquired Pixar and were just the distribution/marketing partner splitting production costs and profits. Did Disney even have script approval or edits on Pixar movies prior to the acquisition?

http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww300/seanachie/NotSureIfSerious.jpg

I think in a lot of ways Wall-E did what Idiocracy tried to do a lot better.

sometimes i am sleepy morbz!

BTW:

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,391 for wall-e toys.
http://www.google.com/products?q=wall-e+toys&hl=en&aq=f

Results 1 - 10 of about 39,020 for incredibles toys.
http://www.google.com/products?q=incredibles+toys&hl=en&aq=f

Results 1 - 10 of about 15,685 for disney cars toys
http://www.google.com/products?q=disney+cars+toys&hl=en&aq=f

I don't really get why the funding of the movie is such a big thing. If Disney wants to fund a movie with a ecological message, how is the message diminished by knowing who paid the bill? I'd understand the argument if there were some signs of Disney diluting or censoring the message, but I didn't see any of that in WALL-E. It's still a pretty damning statement regardless of who paid for it.

like I said, I enjoyed the first third or so but I agree with the critique that once it gets into space it just devolves into a very predictable ho-hum "oooh look another purdy chase scene" morass. political issues aside, that anyone thinks this is the best filmmaking of the decade is .. *smh*

jhosh, its because you are high, its ok, you can tell us

would a regular movie with a great first 30 minutes and a mediocre final hour be in the top 10? it's insulting to real humans I tell ya

plus the character design was lifted almost wholesale from Short Circuit. SHORT CIRCUIT people!

lol tbh dont smoke weed :/

Short Circuit without Ally Sheedy, might I add.

considering that two Bourne movies made it onto this poll, it appears that ilx appreciates purdy chase scenes.

Johnny 5 was just a robot ET anyway.

sorry for all the yelling btw

and the WALL-E people replaced the Saturday Night Sequence with Hello Dolly! or whatever.