The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

First 30 minutes are great, but I think the rest of the movie is nearly as good and the movie wouldn't have worked without them. The harshness of its tone is not nihilistic, you see that some of those fat human beings are nice guys, and could do nice things if kicked behind -- it's the collective lull that's attacked. And I found the love story touching in the second half as well.

The first 30 minutes of this is one of the greatest works of art in the history of animation.

― Your body is a spiderland (polyphonic)

This is very true. However, the next 50 minutes are so bad that they almost ruin it. Almost, but not quite.

would've been funny if all the garbage in the movie and all the spaceships were plastered with the Disney logo (ie a little REALISM)

I'd bet Wall-E is my favorite in the top 10 outside of that other Lynch movie.

could never get over the cognitive dissonance of FUCKING DISNEY selling me a movie about consumerism and over-consumption. O RLY. its called co-opting the critique via spectacle and its lame.

― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier)

You can say alot about how Disney runs it ship and how they run/control Pixar, but the creative talent at Pixar are not really the ones to go after, are they? Do you think in realizing who owns them they should tone it down and sell the "Disney ideology"??

who cares if it's disney who's behind the film? who do you think owns the studios that release many other films critiquing similar things? same kinda consumerist bullshit, different public face.

I've been trying to get my kids to watch wall-e or up so I can see how they hold up on second viewing but they won't bite

they'd rather watch steamboy or 9

However, the next 50 minutes are so bad that they almost ruin it.

I guess, but every once in awhile there is a scene like the scene with the fire extinguishers, which was so incredible.

do you have any idea how much merchandizing garbage Disney/Pixar are directly responsible for. these people FILL LANDFILLS, its their MO.

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I understand those who say zodiac didn't draw them in. I kept coming back to though, over and over. Went from thinking it was ok to one of my favorite movies. It's such a rich film, almost every note is perfect for me.

Also I've begun to notice beyond all the epistemology there's a lot going on with male friendships/relationships. Something heartbreaking about it.

Probably would have been my #1

we all fill landfills, every major corporation does, books and newspapers are made from trees, etc.

end credits and the first 20 minutes or so are pretty great - the rest = fuck this shit

― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:20 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yes

could never get over the cognitive dissonance of FUCKING DISNEY selling me a movie about consumerism and over-consumption. O RLY. its called co-opting the critique via spectacle and its lame.

― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:21 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

no, wtf?

we create villains out of obvious targets to make ourselves feel better and more noble (cf dems hating way too hard on repubs and vice versa, when most of us are closer than we think)

we don't read newspapers we read ilx

Also the best hour of Zodiac is the last one! One of those rare movies that winds down.

I think it would be awesome if Oscar Meyer funded Babe: Pig in the City.

we all fill landfills, every major corporation does, books and newspapers are made from trees, etc.

lol way to confuse the point there

calling the Fat People in Space portion BAD is just hysteria.

newspapers, Buzz Lightyear toys what's the difference amirite

why would the disney logo be on a spaceship

could never get over the cognitive dissonance of FUCKING DISNEY selling me a movie about consumerism and over-consumption. O RLY. its called co-opting the critique via spectacle and its lame.

― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:21 AM (3 minutes ago)

Uh, wasn't this what people our age spent the entire decade of the 90s contending with?

WALL-E was dope, yeah. The best Pixar I've ever seen. Like everyone else I wished it had been just about the two robots, and had had no humans or dialogue at all, because then it would've been kinda perfect. But the human bits aren't bad either, and they help establish the message, which is pretty important - and much less didactically done than in many adult movies with a similar message, like Avatar.

i'm quite certain there are films you like and went to see that were made by studios owned by corporations who cause horrible landfill overspill worldwide.

could never get over the cognitive dissonance of FUCKING DISNEY selling me a movie about consumerism and over-consumption. O RLY. its called co-opting the critique via spectacle and its lame.

― Wrinkles, I'll see you on the other side (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, February 11, 2010 7:21 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban

srs or no?

films that may have even made points that, when taking that into account, seem contradictory.

Heaven forbid that kids have toys to play with.

calling the Fat People in Space portion BAD is just hysteria.

no, it's not bad, and as satire it's pretty great, but caring about what happened... didn't happen

Shakey would rather have Greenpeace distribute expensive animated films w/ anticonsumerist message

Shakey's argument here manages to be the worst of the entire thread.

I kind of wish I'd seen "Wall-E" because this pile-on is shaping up hilariously

my children only play with hemp

is discussion of every film in the top 10 going to devolve into political butthurtz

top 100 more like

i'm quite certain there are films you like and went to see that were made by studios owned by corporations who cause horrible landfill overspill worldwide.

I'm sure that's entirely true but those movies weren't cutesy little robot movies specifically ABOUT humanity's garbage. If Exxon made a cute little movie about a robot teaching humanity about the evils of the oil industry wouldn't you be just a little bit suspect/confused

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like don't shit on my plate and call it ice cream, its just insulting

In their defense they didn't exactly flood the market with WALL-E toys, which was kind of admirable. There were a few here and there, but not exactly a merchandising blitz.

luvd wall*e - everyone is right that the beginning is better than the end - and im right that UP is better altogether

If tobacco industry can be made to fund anti-tobacco ads, I'm all for Exxon funding No Blood For Oil agit-prop.

guys, remember when wall-e was offensive to fat people?

uh shakey i think i could see where you were going with this if wall-e had been made by the disposable diaper industry or something but as it is i am confused

don't get me started on the second half of up

i was the #1 for Wall-E :) :) :)

and im right that UP is better altogether

I thought the fat people in outerspace part was better than the talking dogs part of Up.

Loved the first third of WALL-E; the rest was too garish and confusingly frenetic. My feelings weren't too different from when I saw The Dark Knight, tbh: must it devolve into wall-to-wall action?

Where was Eva's abortion, I ask you.

up doesnt have halves its seamless fyi

If tobacco industry can be made to fund anti-tobacco ads, I'm all for Exxon funding No Blood For Oil agit-prop.

if Wall-E's making had been forced on Disney/Pixar by the gov't and civil lawsuits I would enjoy my lolz at the accompanying "warm... and mandoatory" ad campaign

And, yeah, the truism that WALL-E's first 20 minutes are way better than the rest =/= rest of the movie is bad.

I'm sure that's entirely true but those movies weren't cutesy little robot movies specifically ABOUT humanity's garbage. If Exxon made a cute little movie about a robot teaching humanity about the evils of the oil industry wouldn't you be just a little bit suspect/confused

Some of that suspicion sort of has to rest on what the actual message is, doesn't it? I mean, if the robot says "hey kids, oil companies are pollution monsters that kill cute animals... EXCEPT FOR EXXON, WHO EMPLOYS CUTE ANIMALS TO WORK IN SPARKLING FUN PALACES" you might have a valid point, but I gather from the people who have seen "Wall-E" that the message given isn't quite that self-serving...?

up doesn't have halves, it's perfectly formed