The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

There is one pretty grizzly scene actually. Most of the rest of violence is perpetrated by children though if that makes you feel better.

okay well I can probably handle that - is it any more graphic than, say, the child disfigruement stuff in Slumdog Millionaire?

Los Olvidados is great

man this movie was frightening. all those kids, barely dressed, and all of them armed. that's my memory of this film: kids in pool clothes with a shiny smith&wesson. i know it's climate & poverty that has whole neighborhoods wearing just shorts and flip flops, and i know a goodfellas-style sharkskin suit isn't going to stop bullets anyway, but something about how nobody looked really dressed for the combat they were in gave this movie a crazy layer of extra vulnerability

city of god has inherent problems when it comes to glamorization of gangsters but not anymore than scorsese or coppola did - almost a natural byproduct of being a gangster flick imo

reminded me a lot of menace II society

Third World poverty goin' down easy

CHUG CHUG CHUG

+ the slow creeping intensity of the slum as it grows upward around them throughout the film is really well done. you know intellectually it's shot in different locations, but it does feel like the same place slowly changing over the years.

is it any more graphic than, say, the child disfigruement stuff in Slumdog Millionaire?

not really graphic but more wrenching IIRC

are there any fiction films which by their nature do not make IRL issues go down a little easier? by nature of turning those issues into drama that "makes you think", isn't it diminishing it in every single case? (/ devil's advocate)

gangsters are glamorous, has to do w/transgression, power etc; dont blame movies

you have to be romanian and make really boring movies and then it's okay

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshh4700fw4g28LorUA3

Jingle All the Way did nothing to soften the irl frustration of trying to get a Tickle Me Elmo iirc

"Third World poverty goin' down easy"

Most moronic argument ever.

for example, doesn't munich by making the action scenes totally dynamic and thrilling diminish the entire story and make tragedy go down easier, and by making the assassinations totally inventive and skillful does that undercut the film's message? and if it's doing so in a manner that means for us to call such thrilled reactions into question, why does munich do it and city of god not?

full disclosure: i don't give a shit about this argument

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shakey mo, basically it's a scene where gangsters force some 8 yo kids to choose where they're gonna get shot, feet or hands, the tension + tears in the buildup is way worse than the actual violence

If only all those fratboys had watched Los Olvidados instead. Then there would be no more favelas.

no it's not diminishing to treat subjects in art, and there's a pretty big gulf between being as entertaining as City of God and a lot of films that make stuff really really unpleasant for the viewer.

mobs is cool guys jus let him do his thing

rate it on a Blood Diamond scale

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"why does munich do it and city of god not?"

CUZ SPIELBERG IS A MASTER SHUTUP SHUTUP FUCK YOU I GO CRY NOW </Morbs>

5 BLOOD DIAMONDS

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calling the plotting "solid" is a bit misleading. it's a very twisty labyrinthine movie with lots of red herrings and LOTS left unexplained and no real payoff. some people will probably find it unsatisfying. i think it's awesome.

visually it's unbelievable. one of the best-looking movies i've seen in a really long time. when fincher turns his visual chops to pure period stuff he's incredible. it's especially impressive to see the art direction & visuals slowly change over the several decades the movie takes place. san fran hasn't look this good since vertigo.

― s1ocki

the aqua velvet scene never fails to bring lolz

― and what

'THIS... can no longer be ignored'

― and what

Graysmith's moment at the end can be interpreted as either a transcendent confirmation of his suspicions or as the desperate grasping of an obsessive is to the film's credit...and what I like is that it suggests that these two things are not mutually exclusive...and may even depend upon each other!

this is basically the problem of modernity...how does one obtain certainty in situation that only permits probabilities? how do you reconcile this with any sense of justice?

that is, i dont quite accept that Graysmith is simply a delusional obsessive. there is, as the film puts it, about an 80% chance he is right...what you do with that figure is precisely the point.

― ryan

oh man, this was amazing. from the very first shots: the fireworks were just so luscious and full of dread. the lake murder and the roadside abduction sequences were horrifying and great. i loved the red herring and the winking ridiculous basement spooks. oddly thought jake, chloe and downey were all so-so, but more than made up for by the amazing supporting cast and mark ruffalo's terrific performance. between this and Eternal Sunshine i think he might be one of my favourite actors. way more notes in his stuff than you'd think. has he done anything else i should see?

i loved fight club and liked Se7en (but too scary for me), but i think this is pretty obviously his best film. gripping and true-feeling: reminds me oddly of Good Night and Good Luck (both newsroom dramas?), but i liked so much more the way this made cinema out of a historical timeline, while still treading very lightly at the end.

― sean gramophone

But seriously I thought it was just fantastic. Great acting, great mood, great pacing. I admit that maybe it might have resonated more with me because the case was such a part of the undercurrent of the Bay Area when I was growing up, but it's still probably the best movie I've seen this year.

― Alex in SF

Come anticipate David Fincher's "Zodiac"

#9

Zodiac
David Fincher
2007
United States
(781.5 points, 33 votes, 2 first place)

would also like to point out that the cast of city of god was almost exclusively kids from the favelas, there was like one professional actor in the cast

setting aside the moral handwringing, that's pretty impressive given the quality of the performances

i love how the kids in city of god dress - style icons imo

Hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, hurdy gurdy, gurdy he sang.

the opening scene of 'zodiac' where he pans across burb houses on fourth of july is O_O beautiful

is zodiac really any good? I dismissed it as a memories of murder retread when it came out lol

no, ppl here think it sucked, which is why it was voted #9 film of the decade

i hate fincher and i completely love this movie

i love how the kids in city of god dress - style icons imo

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I thought se7en was okay but every other fincher film has disappointed me

should rescreen zodiac - fell asleep for like .5 hours the 1st time

I enjoyed zodiac but def didn't see what made it omg 00s canon. as did lots of people not on ilx I think...

everyone i know IRL thought this film owned

Zodiac is teh awes iirc I blathered about it plenty on that thread

my #1 fwiw

well royal tenenbaums was voted #11, there's no accounting for taste

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i hate fincher and i completely love this movie

^^^also this. I really don't enjoy any of his other movies very much

i love how the kids in city of god dress - style icons imo

ya see...

fincher aversion overcame my zodiac killer fascination, guess I will have to rectify

TRT isn't bad, it's mostly just a weird movie w/r/t tone and i'm not feeling it since the lols in that one are pretty harsh and painful and it's really a drama with occasional sad comedy more than anything else. i'm willing to think my reaction has to do with post-rushmore expectations more than anything. 'zodiac' is simply a great film, though.

Yeah I hate Fincher for the most part, but Zodiac was tops.

I forget -- Did they end up pointing the finger at the right dude?

everyone i know IRL thought this film owned

I'm sure our social circles are different but I don't know anyone who loveeddd it. and I mean the reviews are sorta what I'd imagine: http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/zodiac?q=zodiac

(not that reviews matter, but there isn't gonna be another film in this poll that was in the 70s in metacritic)

My feelings about Zodiac haven't changed. And I don't like anything else Fincher has done.

"I forget -- Did they end up pointing the finger at the right dude?"

No.

admittedly TRT isn't "bad" but if its highly idiosyncratic style is anathema to you it becomes a tough haul

now that is a rabishing film

I really hope somebody makes an exciting Sudanese child-soldier film this decade to provide you guys w/ new style icons.