yeah man Plasmon your posts are a joy. the profession will be richer for your diligence!
― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Thursday, 11 February 2010 15:03 (fourteen years ago) link
btw plz give a lunch lecture on external/internal loci of disease to my class thx
― werewolf bar mitzvah of the xx (gbx), Thursday, 11 February 2010 15:04 (fourteen years ago) link
sort of not kidding btw
lol at mccarthys wikipedia
Most recently, she has written books about parenting, and has become an activist promoting the incorrect claims that vaccines cause autism[3] and that chelation therapy is effective against autism.
― dyao, Thursday, 11 February 2010 15:14 (fourteen years ago) link
Very interesting posts, Plasmon. Thanks.
(Had not thought about it before but definitely v. familiar with impulse to find external causes for my own comparatively minor medical problems - most of them could be happily put down to "here is some genetic bad luck" and obviously that would be as out of my control as finding something more specific, but it is somehow a whole lot more reassuring to think "well I was fine until THIS happened to me / this is a result of xyz abnormality which is maybe because I was born premature", etc)
― canna kirk (a passing spacecadet), Thursday, 11 February 2010 15:16 (fourteen years ago) link
Thank you, Plasmon. I believe you've stated a lot of things that I've believed to be true, with more clarity than I'm capable of.
The idea of the medical system as a police, and with some conditions being more valid than others, is going to give me a lot to think about.
― mh, Thursday, 11 February 2010 15:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Wow, Plasmon, thanks. That's probably the best and least condescending explanation for the anti-vax mindset I have ever read.
(and yeah, on a personal note, you really contextualized a recent year-long go 'round I had with a specialist that led me to begrudgingly accept a (misguided and incorrect, it turns out) SICK stamp, which really did impact my behavior and mindset as far as settling in to a "sick role." I have been feeling kind of blerg about that whole situation and seeing a nice, clinical explanation for my behavior is helpful.)
― she is writing about love (Jenny), Thursday, 11 February 2010 16:35 (fourteen years ago) link
I think one interesting wrinkle wrt autism and control, that I stabbed at earlier, is that it is ~not~ the patient him/herself seeking the external diagnosis for his/her condition, it's the parents. So you have a party external to the patient seeking an external explanation, while the patient himself may be indifferent to the etiology.
― werewolf bar mitzvah of the xx (gbx), Thursday, 11 February 2010 16:48 (fourteen years ago) link
*bookmarks plasmon's post*
― vag gangsta (k3vin k.), Thursday, 11 February 2010 17:43 (fourteen years ago) link
yeah I already emailed it to some med school pals
(hope that's ok plasmon!)
― werewolf bar mitzvah of the xx (gbx), Thursday, 11 February 2010 17:46 (fourteen years ago) link
Seriously the #1 biggest disappointment with medical school I've had is that I came from the social sciences, but the social sciences are completely ignored at my school (and from what I have gathered, at most other schools), except for a class on Ethics that just totally misses the point and essentially can be boiled down to a handful of vague clinical scenarios and the theme of "you should not be a bad doctor". (The one enjoyable part of this is that inevitably everybody ends up posting Facebook messages of like "I HATE ETHICS" and then like their aunt or someone will be like "Umm...isn't it kind of important to be an ethical doctor?" and basically we all come across like amoral monsters.) Like, in grad school I had the opportunity to go to these Clinical Social Science Case Conferences, where usually one of the anthro MD/PhDs would present a patient they had treated, and how they attempted to conceptualize how the patient dealt with their illness and how they interacted with the various structures of medicine, and this was probably the one thing that made me be all "Wow I really would rather be an MD."
But THIS, man. I kind of want to rummage through PubMed or Google Scholar looking for an article to accompany this and assemble my finest team of nerds to discuss this, like I was able to do back in grad school.
― C-L, Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:44 (fourteen years ago) link
protip 4 u C-L
I sat in on a bioethics consult two weeks ago here at the university hospital and it was like "oh thank god there are working physicians actually working through his stuff in a meaningful way." See if you can get a chance to attend one at yr hospital; really great stuff. I'd love to post even vague, tantalizing details but they'd be enough to triangulate the pt in this case, so no dice.
― werewolf bar mitzvah of the xx (gbx), Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:55 (fourteen years ago) link
WTF: Bill Maher is an anti-vaccine nut?! And a germ denialist, to boot???
― throwbookatface (skygreenleopard), Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link
funny typo "his" haw
― werewolf bar mitzvah of the xx (gbx), Thursday, 11 February 2010 18:56 (fourteen years ago) link
Hahaha I am trying to think about the right way to position myself into such a thing, since my way into the Bioethics Committee meetings would be through the lady who runs the Ethics course, and she makes me sad inside. The easiest thing to do would be to lie and be all "I am SO INTERESTED in Ethics class, I want to get more Ethics", even though I spent last week's lecture looking through an article in the Bulletin of Medical History, but I wonder if "Look, your class sucks, I am dying here, let me play at full speed" would work.
― C-L, Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:03 (fourteen years ago) link
we've got a student comm on bioethics, which coordinates with the on site bioethics consultant. tho she is, I guess, our de facto "ethics" course director (it's actually rolled into a larger course that addresses cultural stuff, law, complementary med, etc. which is so sprawlin and half assed and sucky) so maybe it's the same in yr case.
we're actually setting it up so that we(comm members) get pages via google voice when there's a consult requested. neat!
― werewolf bar mitzvah of the xx (gbx), Thursday, 11 February 2010 19:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Not nec trying to be cheeky w/ my request, it's just that Plasmon writes well and at length on this stuff, and with the proper ILX extended deconstructory style tha. Nabisco used to do on all the politickin' threads.
Plus, I'm happy that Alice Miller & Dr Bob Altenmeyer got mentioned, as I feel their stuff is bleedingly crucial to understanding WTF has been going on, and I wish more people would read & rep for them(other than me). Heh.
― Sex Sexual (kingfish), Thursday, 11 February 2010 21:57 (fourteen years ago) link
is there an ilx rolling med school thread?
― dyao, Friday, 12 February 2010 00:55 (fourteen years ago) link
yes!
ONE OF US ONE OF US ONE OF US
― werewolf bar mitzvah of the xx (gbx), Friday, 12 February 2010 01:08 (fourteen years ago) link
haha
plasmon sent your post to a couple of med students in my program - its really thoughtful. thanks.
― Lamp, Friday, 12 February 2010 02:01 (fourteen years ago) link
link plz? xp
― dyao, Friday, 12 February 2010 02:15 (fourteen years ago) link
medical school
― werewolf bar mitzvah of the xx (gbx), Friday, 12 February 2010 02:22 (fourteen years ago) link
holy shit gbx are you still getting laid at this very moment?
― dyao, Friday, 12 February 2010 02:28 (fourteen years ago) link
he is a perpetual sex machine. md.
― Lamp, Friday, 12 February 2010 02:37 (fourteen years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jenny-mccarthy/whos-afraid-of-the-truth_b_490918.html
the huffington post is generally sucky, but fuck them
― i can make my sprays turn into a shart (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 23:31 (fourteen years ago) link
way too much retarded stuff to even begin unpacking, but this is some great science -
The idea that vaccines are a primary cause of autism is not as crackpot as some might wish. Autism's 60-fold rise in 30 years matches a tripling of the US vaccine schedule.
― i can make my sprays turn into a shart (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 23:35 (fourteen years ago) link
it EXACTLY matches a 60-fold increase in American use of the term "shart"
― Lot, Heady & Regal! (sic), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 23:37 (fourteen years ago) link
the internet causes autism, as well as hispanic people
― J0rdan S., Tuesday, 9 March 2010 23:37 (fourteen years ago) link
Who's afraid of the truth? Usually the people it would hurt the most.
~makes u think~
― lmfao @ credulity (velko), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 23:41 (fourteen years ago) link
all my health care bros check out that "study" she linked to for a good laff
― i can make my sprays turn into a shart (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 23:56 (fourteen years ago) link
I do not think I will get laffs from it, this shit pisses me off so bad
― Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 23:57 (fourteen years ago) link
My hatred for Jenny McCarthy has increased twenty-fold since she stopped appearing on Singled Out. Hence, MTV game shows caused autism.
― he's always been a bit of an anti-climb Max (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 23:58 (fourteen years ago) link
I could use a laff
― nitzer ebbebe (gbx), Tuesday, 9 March 2010 23:59 (fourteen years ago) link
keithlaw I'm still not clear on how or why a woman who is known primarily for shedding her clothes is seen as an authority on immunology.
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 March 2010 04:08 (fourteen years ago) link
Jenny McCarthy’s honesty, humility and humor have enabled her to transcend the boundaries of her roles as comedian, actress, host, best-selling author and influential activist in the world of healing and preventing autism.
― Clay, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 04:20 (fourteen years ago) link
Shes claiming she's met "hundreds" of "recovered" autistics? WTF?
― ABBAcab (Trayce), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 04:20 (fourteen years ago) link
People dont recover from autism ffs, do they?
― ABBAcab (Trayce), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 04:21 (fourteen years ago) link
trayce, haven't you met hundreds of recovered gays?
― J0rdan S., Wednesday, 10 March 2010 04:21 (fourteen years ago) link
Oh of course, yes, how silly of me.
― ABBAcab (Trayce), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 04:23 (fourteen years ago) link
Seriously, are parents just going "oh little oscar is really quiet and never behaves himself - HE HAS AUTISM!" or something.
― ABBAcab (Trayce), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 04:24 (fourteen years ago) link
vaccines aren't necessary! nobody gets measles any more!!
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 12:57 (fourteen years ago) link
If you could vaccinate the whole world and no-one got measles for a generation or two, would measles come back if you stopped?
― the pity party of tiny feet (onimo), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 13:05 (fourteen years ago) link
exactly! it's like unions, we just don't need em anymore
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 13:06 (fourteen years ago) link
Sorry, fit of giggles, read that as:
exactly! it's like onions, we just don't need em anymore
― Tom D (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 March 2010 13:09 (fourteen years ago) link
modern onion farming is a sham perpetuated by onion patent holders
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 10 March 2010 13:12 (fourteen years ago) link
i mean answer me this - i made an omelette the other day with shallots and it was FINE!!
Maybe Jim finally realized he was dealing with a crazy person.
― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 15:15 (fourteen years ago) link
They're both so odious, I'm reluctant to ascribe blame. Also, Jim was pretty on board with the anti-vax stuff, too, IIRC.
― she is writing about love (Jenny), Wednesday, 7 April 2010 15:27 (fourteen years ago) link
jim-carrey-jenny-mccarthy-split-via-twitter
― peter in montreal, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 15:33 (fourteen years ago) link
The anti-vaccination SVU rerun was on last night. I wish they had put Jenny McCarthy on trial.
― tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 7 April 2010 15:52 (fourteen years ago) link