The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

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Oddly, I love lots of Greenaway, and The Falls in particular, but have no use for Lynch. Hits a different part of the brain I guess.

yeah - Greenaway is a lot more "logical" - The Falls is basically playing with the impulse to catalog, and many of the protagonists in his other films are involved in some sort of scientific pursuit. Lynch, to me, seems really bound up in surrealism/subconscious dream stuff. I'm fond of Bunuel's early films, but they are also considerably shorter than something like Inland Empire. But, for the most part, David Lynch just strikes me as trying to recreate or recapture the same stuff the surrealists did decades ago, and I just shrug.

This is what I wrote in the Inland Empire thread:

I was quite disappointed with this. It looks the cheapness of shooting in digital got Lynch to think he can just shoot scene after scene and put them together into an endlessly long film. It seems like he really fell victim to his worst instincts. His previous films, as surreal as they've been, have at least had some sort of structure, but here he apparently didn't even have a script. There is a reason why the best totally surreal and plotless movies are short films: if you want have a three-hour film which is still interesting you need to have some sort of a structure.

The first hour of Inland Empire was actually quite ineresting, but after that whatever point there was to the film quickly melted into air. There were just endless close-ups to Laura Dern's face and shots of her wandering blandly through different spaces. There were still some interesting scenes in the next two hours; for example the one were she's dying on the street with the homeless people, and then the camera pulls off and it was all a movie. I though the film was gonna end there, but there was still 30+ minutes left of close-ups and wandering through rooms to suffer through. Lynch is still a masterful visualist, and the movie was beautiful to look at, but I strongly suggest that he gets someone else to produce his next film, someone who can put an stop to his wankery when needed.

― Tuomas, 15. elokuuta 2007 16:32 Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I agree that Buñuel's early stuff works because it's short, but a 3 hour barrage of surreal imagery simply gets boring. I like most of Lynch's movies because they have at least some sort of plot and character arc that helps to anchor the surreal stuff. But with IE Lynch seems to have given up on that... Pure emotional imagery might work for a 10-20 minute movie, but 3 hours is too much. Some of the individual scenes in IE can still be effective as such, but simply putting them together without any sort of real structure does not make a good movie.

the higher up the placings the less fun this thread is becoming, either because my reaction to movies I didn't like gets more engraged and visceral, or because the movies i liked are being torn apart from others feeling the same way.

maybe next time we should reveal in order #1 up?

Give or take a Big Fish, Slant list is fucking fantastic so far

Thanks, TS. (Big Fish didn't have my support, fwiw, but I sort of like when movies I don't like that aren't also Winking Amelie mingle with ones I do like.)

i gotta say, do NOT watch inland empire on netflix-on-demand. for some of the low-light scenes i might as well have just taken my glasses off.

I am one of those horrible people who voted for Amelie, though I did put A Very Long Enagement way above it

lol you voted for "doggie fart, warms my heart."

Eh?

That's a terrible line of terrible dialogue from that terrible movie.

The only reason I don't hate AVLE about a million times more than Amelie is because the later movie rightly disappeared without a trace.

children of men
city of god
eternal sunshine
inglourious basterds
knocked up
mulholland drive
no country for old men
spirited away
there will be blood
wall-e
zodiac

^one of these won't be in the top 10.

sorry for the speculation.

I'm going out on a limb and predicting it's the comedy on that list that gets knocked down.

zoolander

kncoked up won't be there, but if xzoolander don't make it then i'll be ????

i don't know exactly how well regarded Basterds is around here but i'd be kinda shocked if it was so much higher than both Kill Bills

i think we're all forgetting michael clayton

(which i'm starting to give up on)

and i think i voted for bad santa twice, so look out for that again

God, I hope Knocked Up won't be in the top 10! That would mean Fred Phelps has won.

I WANT TO BELIEVE

we're not supposed to speculate!

xp hey come on. at least it mentions abortion. dozens of films in this list pretend like it's not even an option.

sleepy hollow is a movie about abortion that i expect to see

Fred Phelps also mentions abortion, a lot.

you know what was a good movie about abortion? DUMPLINGS!

children of men
city of god
eternal sunshine
inglourious basterds
knocked up
mulholland drive
no country for old men
spirited away
there will be blood
wall-e
zodiac

^one of these won't be in the top 10.

― sofatruck, Thursday, 11 February 2010 12:47 (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I'm going to go on a limb and say that considering I think There Will Be Blood has already placed, it might not make it.

er, i dont think it has?

im thinkin city of god may not

c'mon dudes.

afraid that even the most earnest of pleas isn't gonna stop people going through that list or one very similar between now and #1 tbh

TWBB will def be there

in summary:

100. Morvern Callar (204 pts, 13 votes)
99. The Piano Teacher (208 pts, 9 votes)
98. Dogville (208.5 pts, 8 votes)
97. Happy-Go-Lucky (210.5 pts, 11 votes)
96. High Fidelity (214 pts, 10 votes)
95. Capturing the Friedmans (215 pts, 13 votes, 1 first)
94. Napoleon Dynamite (215.5 pts, 10 votes)
93. Sideways (216 pts, 12 votes)
92. Tropical Malady (219 pts, 8 votes, 1 first)
91. Talk to Her (220 pts, 10 votes)
90. Together (220.5 pts, 9 votes, 1 first)
89. The Lives of Others (221 pts, 12 votes, 1 first)
88. Memories of Murder (222 pts, 10 votes)
87. Minority Report (223.5 pts, 14 votes)
86. All the Real Girls (224.5 pts, 12 votes)
85. Almost Famous (225 pts, 11 votes, 1 first)
84. Finding Nemo (226.5 pts, 13 votes)
83. Harold and Kumar Go To White Castle (231 pts, 13 votes)
82. Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World (231.5 pts, 13 votes)
81. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (236 pts, 11 votes)
80. The Diving Bell and the Butterfly (237 pts, 10 votes)
79. Team America: World Police (237.5 pts, 8 votes)
78. 28 Days Later (239 pts, 12 votes)
77. The Squid and the Whale (242 pts, 13 votes, 1 first)
76. In the Loop (246.5 pts, 13 votes)
75. Y Tu Mama Tambien (250.5 pts, 12 votes)
74. In Bruges (251 pts, 14 votes)
73. The Triplets of Belleville (253 pts, 10 votes)
72. Amélie (259.5 pts, 14 votes)
71. The 25th Hour (261 pts, 12 votes, 1 first)
70. Ratatouille (263 points, 13 votes)
69. Far From Heaven (266 points, 13 votes)
68. Elephant (267 points, 12 votes, 1 first place)
67. Synecdoche, New York (267.5 points, 13 votes)
66. A.I. Artificial Intelligence (274 points, 17 votes)
65. Kung Fu Hustle (278.5 points, 16 votes, 1 first place)
64. Kings and Queen (282 points, 10 votes)
63. Wet Hot American Summer (289 points, 15 votes)
62. Borat (295 points, 16 votes, 1 first place)
61. Audition (296 points, 14 votes, 1 first place)
60. Sexy Beast (298.5 points, 15 votes, 1 first place)
59. The Host (305 points, 13 votes)
58. You Can Count On Me (308 points, 12 votes)
57. Brick (309.5 points, 12 votes, 1 first place)
56. Yi Yi: A One and a Two (313 points, 12 votes)
55. Munich (319 points, 15 votes)
54. Miami Vice (338 points, 12 votes)
53. Before Sunset (343 points, 13 votes)
52. Punch-Drunk Love (347 points, 13 votes)
51. Eastern Promises (348 points, 16 votes)
50. I'm Not There (359 points, 14 votes, 1 first place)
49. The 40 Year-Old Virgin (362 points, 16 votes)
48. Kill Bill: Vol. 2 (364 points, 16 votes)
47. Best In Show (366 points, 16 votes)
46. Up (374 points, 18 votes)
45. Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy (376 points, 18 votes)
44. Oldboy (378 points, 18 votes, 1 first place)
43. Gosford Park (379 points, 18 votes)
42. The Hurt Locker (383.5 points, 20 votes)
41. The Dark Knight (385.5 points, 21 votes, 1 first place)
40. The Bourne Identity (406.5 points, 16 votes)
39. A Serious Man (416.5 points, 18 votes)
38. 24 Hour Party People (418.5 points, 24 votes)
37. A History of Violence (423.5 points, 24 votes)
36. Brokeback Mountain (425.5 points, 20 votes)
35. Bad Santa (433 points, 20 votes)
34. The Bourne Supremacy (437 points, 17 votes)
33. Rachel Getting Married (442.5 points, 15 votes)
32. The New World (444.5 points, 15 votes)
31. Battle Royale (450 points, 19 votes)
30. Kill Bill: Vol. 1 (452 points, 21 votes)
29. Shaun of the Dead (453.5 points, 24 votes)
28. Pan's Labyrinth (456 points, 20 votes)
27. O Brother, Where Art Thou? (469.5 points, 21 votes)
26. American Psycho (473 points, 21 votes)
25. Superbad (483.5 points, 24 votes)
24. The Departed (485.5 points, 26 votes)
23. Donnie Darko (486 points, 24 votes, 1 first place)
22. 4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days (519 points, 22 votes, 1 first place)
21. The Incredibles (524.5 points, 24 votes, 1 first place)
20. Caché (536 points, 21 votes)
19. Adaptation (545.5 points, 27 votes)
18. Memento (546 points, 30 votes)
17. Ghost World (554 points, 21 votes)
16. Lost in Translation (597.5 points, 28 votes)
15. Let the Right One In (627 points, 29 votes)
14. In the Mood For Love (667 points, 23 votes, 2 first place)
13. Inland Empire (696 points, 25 votes, 1 first place)
12. Grizzly Man (696.5 points, 32 votes, 2 first place)
11. The Royal Tenenbaums (730 points, 29 votes)

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I can't imagine a scenario where TWBB won't place. It would have been my #1 (had I voted. I really should have done that).

TWBTWBB

i'm curious how much people loaded up multiple movies by the same directors on their ballots

Did this with Joel and Ethan Coen, Alfonso Cuaron, and Lukas Moodysson.

Actually, I didn't think about it too much until after I voted, though. That's just how things shook out.

Pretty sure Lynch, Spielberg and Weerasethakul all got two spots on my ballot.

TWBTWBB

― 99. The Juggalo Teacher (dyao), Friday, February 12, 2010 12:23 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

lol

iirc:

richard kelly 3
david fincher 2
greg mottola 2
olivier assayas 2
adam mckay 2

Spielberg may have actually slipped in with 3 for me, iirc.

Ha, I had loads of directors duplicated. I was well aware of this with Andersson, Haneke, Lynch and Von Trier, more surprised about ending up with multiple Miike and Winterbottom.

Oh shit, and also two Coens and two Guests.

(Also, that's ROY ANDERSSON, not Wes Anderson.)

Had 2 by Brad Bird, Paul Greengrass, and Guy Maddin.

Film Comment v glad nrq's poll invite got lost in the ether.

The way you guys are using the verb "place" is dubious (unless they all tie for second).

Directors with multiples on my ballot:

2 Michael Winterbottom, 2 Stacey Peralta, 2 Stephen Chow, 2 Brad Bird

only duplicates from mine - 2 tarentino, 2 zwigoff

if there was a killing in the name ish pile-in vote for one leftfield nomination, what should it have been?

Aoyama's Eureka or Maddin's The Saddest Music in the World

(fantasyland)