The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

I voted for this one

so glad ITMFL placed, though I gotta say, I kinda hate WKW for romanticizing hong kong in all his movies - the real thing just doesn't quite match up

redeeming some of the other crap on this list now

"When faced with the jeering and hollering of the 1,500 booing patrons who despised his Lessons of Darkness at the Berlin Film Festival, Herzog shouted back: "You are all wrong."

love ya Werner don't ever change

Grizzly Man is a great movie.

every scene in inland empire was a peak experience - a part that wouldve been the climax in an ordinary movie was just one of many - it sounds monotonously overbearing but each piece was intense in its own unique way - david lynch just calmly and methodically displaying the myriad ways he has to fuck w/you - such a ridiculous display of virtuosity

I said "not really." Sheesh.

definitely paired in my mind with the book 'Into the Wild'. Treadwell came across as more complex then McCandless, but it was also harder for me to empathize with him. Part of that is the medium too I think.

Really? From Into the Wild I felt like McCandless was a heartless asshole after like the frist 30 pages.

It was harder for me to turn down the cynical/obvious 'what a dumbass' voice in Grizzly Man then it was in Krackhauers book.

xpost - yeah they are definitely both assholes to an extent

what an extraordinary movie. i think the decision to not show the tape is as much an aesthetic one as a moral one. the scene of him listening to it and NOT showing it is so much more memorable, and brilliant really, than a scene where the tape IS presented.

― s1ocki

lol he does the same trick in the white diamond w/the mystical cave - both 2005

btw i have something to say abt grizzly man that i found obvious but no one seems to agree with - treadwells death was a suicide

eh maybe in a "death by cop" manner

feel it is my duty as a werner herzog stand-in to tell all of ilx's cineaste contingent:

"you must never look at these top 10 poll results." *stern face*

no one agrees with you cos you're wrong xxp

or maybe u r wrong eh

phew all this intellectual sparrings got me worn out!

"you must never look at these top 10 poll results." *stern face*

agreed, cos only 1 or 2 of the likely high rankers deserve to be above GM. and that's at a push.

just training you for that day if you ever come across that creature they call The Lex xp

or maybe herzog killed him amirite?

great screengrab for this movie, btw

(and for IE - never seen it but jesus I can tell it'd fuck with me)

sure this is stating the obvious but grizzly man is nothing to do with tredwell.

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upon first viewing i privately decided it was possibly my favorite film i'd ever seen, i've viewed it four times since. um did this happen with anyone else? also more generally do you require time or general social/critical acceptance to truly love a film (tenenbaums reviews mostly lukewarm, 'it's good but no beautiful mind/monsters ball/lotr/amelie!', meanwhile everyone i know who's seen has basically said it was enjoyable but disposable)? in high school whenever 'best movies ever' were discussed in class most kids always just seemed to name the most recent passable film they'd seen, am i just afraid of being short-sighted like that? i feel like i'm going to be proved wrong in a few months and look back and say 'oh how silly i was' or something, it's terrible. also is royal tenenbaums a great film?

― ethan

it certainly felt like a mess, that was partly what endeared it too me so quickly, finding meaning in the entire range of things i don't initially find emotionally affecting (romance between sixty-somethings) and coming around to jokes i don't initially find hilarious (dalmatian mice) is preferable to rushmore which, when it came out, was just about a nerdy kid my exact age, and all jokes are laid out one-two-three to be laughed at the first time and then it's over. also i think many people are focusing too much on the beautiful funny wonderous tingly gleeful but somehow inferior first half of tenenbaums which is fantastic style exercise stuff but didn't make me openly weep with joy (no lie) like the second part.

― ethan

I thought Royal Tenenbaums was great, as I've said on the other 40 threads Ethan has started about the film. I'm not really as fond of it as Ethan seems to be (favorite film?), but I did like it better than Rushmore (which I also like a lot). I think I just relate to the plight of the characters better in Royal Tenenbaums than I did in Rushmore.

― Ally

apparently they really didn't get along and have very very different philosophies about film/acting, apparently wes anderson likes to tell his actors every tiny thing to do - line readings, how to hold their head, etc., hyperanal, apparently he views them as dolls basically, and hackman chafed at this, found it insulting and a bit clueless, i do wonder if it's why hackman's the only one who seems alive in that movie and i think the tension that comes out of it probably does help the flick (and was probably unintentional, cuz anderson gets his wish with life aquatic - which i nevertheless like more than tenenbaums! - and will even more so with his next flick where he won't even have to bother with messy old human beings at all).

― j blount

royal tenenbaums again

#11

The Royal Tenenbaums
Wes Anderson
2001
United States
(730 points, 29 votes)

and that is the last one of the day. again try not to speculate too much, there are 90 other films to discuss at length/trash without explanation. : D

baaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrfff

to rephrase strongo, comedy for people who dont like comedy films

whoops

i thought this was solid but it's definitely no 'rushmore' (i might actually prefer all of his other films to this one...)

not really my 'representative anderson'

yeah 'bottle rocket' is one of my comfort movies and perhaps in my top 10 ever

Liked Tenenbaums enough at the time, think I found it annoying on reflection, can't remember anything about it now. Love Hackman in anything tho.

I liked Tenenbaums well enough, but FMF is so obviously the definitive Wes A. movie of the decade imho.

Haha, "liked" "enough."

on the plus side the amount of hate i have for royal tennenbaums directly contributed to how blindsided i was by how much i loved fantastic mr fox

xposts

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You fuckin people.

luv the tenenbaums fam - imo forceful acting elevates it above the oft derided mannered typical wes anderson thing - sweet ride

tenenbaums is fantastic dont really have a lot to say - its charms are p self-evident imo - but that puts me @ 8/90

definitely loved this movie v hard when it came out. ive come to see it as the first of wes anderson's "DIRECTED BY MAX FISCHER TRILOGY," where anderson's attention to meticulous detail and his constant focus on divorce/family-unhappiness seem to me like the plays/direction of max in rushmore. taken this way, i really really really love these movies, even where theyre a little thin. aside from all that, i saw this like 10x in the theater and it has tremendous sentimental value to me cause i was an emo 19yr old when it hit. also this was way before the loud-as-shit-wes-anderson-soundtrack trope was tired for me, and hearing those nico songs so loud was like a total joy.

yeah 'bottle rocket' is one of my comfort movies and perhaps in my top 10 ever

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also OTM

You fuckin people.

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in your faggoty white suits

don't know why but I thought inland empire was super boring and I love lynch

only 3 films so far with 2 no.1 votes

I fell asleep about five times during the move and every time I woke up laura dern was just walking around somewhere looking scared

also this was way before the loud-as-shit-wes-anderson-soundtrack trope was tired for me, and hearing those nico songs so loud was like a total joy.

the fairest of the seasons kills in this imo

rushmore > bottle rocket > tenenbaums > everything else

^looks right to me.

tenenbaums > rushmore >>>>> bottle rocket >>>>>x1m>>>>>> some jerks in water, three jerks on a train

havent seen fmf yet

at this point, im like

rushmore > BR = FMF > RTs >>>>>>>>> LA >>>> DL

i'm kinda like rushmore>>>BR>>>>>DL>>LA>RT (FMF not seen)

the whole omg im in luv w/a maid aspect of bottle rocket is really a major scar on an otherwise fun sneaky movie

I think Life Aquatic made me like Tenenbaums LESS, because I fell asleep in Life Aquatic and dreamt it was the Tenenbaums and when I woke up I was watching a terrible movie.

aaaanyway my case re evidence for suicide by grizz

1 treadwell has survived like 15 or however many years amongst these beasts - hes pretty good at staying alive around grizzlies

2 he makes a big point of saying you should never ever go to the grizzly maze in september because it is super deadly and you will be eaten by a bear

3 clearly his grizz fetish is largely motivated by his alienation from human society - but hes not content to be a hermit - he still has a need for worldly success as demonstrated by all his highly narcissistic filmmaking and frustrated forays into the irl world

4 he wraps up his grizz season and heads back to the human realm - only to spazz out over some trivial bullshit at the airport - this is where he finally fully gives up on his dreams of glory and vindication - he just can not abide by the realities of lyfe as a person

5 and where does he go? the grizzly maze in september. and what happens? he dies. just like he said he would.