Doctor Who 2008: Sontarans cometh, RTD Ood 'ave 'im etc.

Then again, I think I highly tolerant of a lot of stuff in this last story from just the angle of "fine, FINE, if this is what you need to do in order to leave the show, whatevs. Have your emo beach scene, tie up your loose ends, send Mickey off to Torchwood to get skeeved out by Jack."

Wish there had been more Davros, tho. He needs a proper ep or two.

And bring back Peter Miles, if nothing else than for one of the best representations of a fascist cog on film.

Donna still had that time beetle on her back in last week's episode. They made a point of it. So wtf happened there? An excuse to bring her back in later years?

Also, expect a big announcement in the next 48 hours. They always cap off a season with some kind of announcement, just to keep the hype going.

I reckon it'll be the next companion.

I don't think she had the spider on her back, I think the Shadow Proclamation woman said she'd had a spider on her back.

either way, too late now

But it made the noise!

I'll have to go back now, damn it.

either way, too late now

Well yeah, quite. Half the show under RTD is McGuffins. Be interesting to see how the general tone alters under Stephen Moffatt. Is he in charge from now?

Not for another 2 years. RTD has control over the off-year specials, doesn't he?

At any rate, who wants to place bets that he'll have a new Doctor when he finally gets the reins?

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YES YES LOOK AT THE CAMERA

Also, Jack enjoys pumping

I thought the Christmas special trailer was edited in a way that didn't rule out the possibility of David Morrissey being the next regeneration. Which would be cool, so probably he isn't.

Wow, that was quick. The auto-suggest in my google window does "david morrissey david tennant" without even fully spelling it out, and here's the result:

from your friends at the Daily Mail

I'm torn between finding the Rose/Doctor clone matchup a bit fanfictiony and being totally charmed by it since I'm a romantic and have been dying for them to hook up. I was also waiting for David Morrissey to drop from the ceiling or something at the end of the episode so the lack of any hint of the Christmas special was a bit jarring.

xpost People have known about the Morrissey/Cybermen Christmas special for a few months now. It was a pretty big clue that Tennant wasn't going to regenerate this week, as there are lots of pictures of him and Morrissey traipsing around in costume.

Not least because a week of cliffhanger excitement dissipated in the first 30 seconds

I agree that this was kind of disappointing, but to be fair nearly every Who cliffhanger is cheaply satisfied within the first 30 seconds (I think we had this same conversation circa the Sontaran 2-parter).

I love Donna and I kind of hate her ending. We barely get a goodbye from the old Donna, just fearful gurgling and a mindzap and then oblivious chattering Donna to end with. It just felt abrupt, since she was already partially sidelined by Companionpalooza.

Same thing happened to Jamie and Zoe when the Time Lords banished the Doctor to Earth back in, uh, 1969. Back to your old life, all memory of your travels with the Doctor wiped away.

David Morrissey is the guy from Men Behaving Badly?

No, that was Neil Morrissey

The noise when the Shadow Proc lass talked to Donna was the heartbeat noise, wasn't it?

And given the Daleks can time travel, and have no fears about changing the course of history, the 'Dalek' thing bugs me not. I mean, they changed the Time War, which is presumably a bigger deal than changing events taking place in an isolated spot under Salt Lake City.

Here's hoping that moffat can do a cliffhanger without doing a reset afterwards. Although SITL and FOTD don't give me much home.

Whilst I like the idea of Mickey in Torchwood I hope that Martha swiftly gets eaten by some unspeakable horror from the rift.

What I liked is that there wasn't a reset at the end of this one: the thing with Donna was genuinely moving, and the fact that RTD managed to restrain from her giving the Doc a lingering look as he left, despite everything, impressed me.

Donna and Wilf were absolutely brilliant, and am so sad they are consigned to history whilst EmoRose and DoctorTwo get to live on.

Could they not get the rest of Martha's family back? Am saddened that they didn't get Pete back, and why has Gay Todd From Corrie with that information thingie in his head never ever been re-referenced?

did davros have two ultimate triumphs? destroying everything, and being nasty to the doxor

"Bad Wolf Bay"

Yeah this felt like a succession of RTD pulling rabbits out of hats, I got very annoyed indeed at the opening but once I noticed the hand continuing to glow in the corner of the screen for a while I knew we weren't done with it. The rest of it = marvellous, needed more of everyone being nasty to Mickey though.

This episode really tied in with what I've been saying about letting the air out of the Messianic Doctor balloon - this wasn't an OMG THE DOCTOR SAVES EVERYTHING episode at all, real ensemble cast feel to this one, everyone had a part to play. Well, except Jackie really, that was pointless. Total star turn from Donna as well. Also K-9 was a total icing on cake moment.

I get the feeling the two Tennants thing was structural rather than anything else, it allowed RTD to concentrate on Doctor-Donna and Doctor-Rose separately without having everyone tripping over one another.

Tennant I calling out Tennant II was almost as good as Davros calling out the Doctor. I liked how unbelievably unsatisfied Rose seemed by ending up with Tennant II. Almost as much as the look Tennant II gave when Donna said "I've got the best bit of the Doctor".

But really, the best bit was the Daleks speaking German.

However Davros and the Daleks REALLY should have cottoned on to Dalek Caan going "and one of them will die!" every five minutes. I kept expecting Davros to turn round and go "hang on, we're going to kill everyone in the universe, I thought that was the point?"

I didn't understand what Dalek Caan was up to - why did he bring Davros back to build a dalek empire in order to destroy it? Purely because he was crazed?

Lolled at Freema on Confidential afterwards moaning that the rest of them got to all hang around and do fun things and she had to go running round a forest in the dark.

German Daleks were the best thing by a very long way. Rest of it was just Rusty patting himself on the back for being very very clever "hello Gwen, we met your great-great-great-great-granny Gwyneth once" etc OH FUCK OFF.

Love Jackie so much "no you plum, he's called Tony" and would love to go to Torchwood with Mickey.

My theory was that Rose was disappointed with DoctorTwo because he will get old and grey and die and is therefore not going to look like Tennant forever and she is shallow. Would have been way better if DoctorTwo had actually been Ecclescake or McCoy or something though, see how all his memories and thoughts etc all stack up for her when not wrapped up in Tennant's body.

Would love *Jackie* to go to Torchwood obviously, though I would love to go too.

German Daleks are more efficient than their Anglophile counterparts but are somewhat flawed in that they feel the need to apologise for 50 years after the extermination.

What did the German lady call the Daleks?

Why did Rose have to go back to her other timeline but Mickey was allowed to stay in this one?

Did she have to? I thought she wanted to be with her parents.

Wasn't she taken back to Bad Wolf Bay by The Doctor and Donna because the rift was closing again, and she didn't particularly want to go because she wanted to stay with the Doctor (as opposed to DoctorTwo who she got given as a present)

I may have missed some of the finer points through general hilarity and OH FUCK OFF-ness amongst my viewing companions.

Can someone remind me why a Norwegian beach is the gateway between universes?

It looks pretty in a desolate and lonely way.

It's where melody is the be all and end all.

It looks pretty in a desolate and lonely way.

-- Matt DC, Sunday, 6 July 2008 17:52 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

And conveniently enough like south Wales to make the filming cheap.

and is called Bad Wolf Bay. Real spoddy Who answer = it is the site of one of those rift thingies.

animated gifs are fun!

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Also, turns out that Wilf's red cap wasn't SAS, but parachute regiment, and more than likely Cribbins' own.

His own!

aww.

I still don't know why people don't like the idea of Tennant and Piper pairing off. I think it's pretty OK.

Why were there German daleks anyway?

I would have imagined that you people who actually watch the programme would have understood that, unlike the likes of me.

ie. that you might have seen them before or something.