The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

man i cant wait for the mass pants-shitting when lost in translation shows up.

― strongohulkingtonsghost, Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:08 PM (22 seconds ago)

i think you and i were the only ones who hated it at the time it was released.

show us yr list man xp

watched it again recently and hated it even more. the loss of all those sweeping screen-sized shots of tokyo just makes you realize how empty it is even faster.

its a movie abt stuff being empty tho rite

i think you and i were the only ones who hated it at the time it was released.

I thought LiT was watchable but nt particularly original. Like Jim Jarmusch lite. I remember having big arguments about it with my friends though, who all seemed to inexplicably love it.

enid is so awful that she hangs on to whoever actually puts up with her basically

also, i don't have a prob with scarlett johansson.. uh you do realize women also watch movies and thus half the population probably doesn't like a certain movie only because they have a crush on the actress or appreciate that she has big boobs.

Caché placing above superbad makes me believe in justice - a totally trivial form of justice that applies to nothing significant and meaningful - but justice nonetheless. Yay ILX.

― sarahel, Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:53 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

stop posting about movies

scarlett johansson is a worse actress than lindsay lohan. there, i feel better for having said it.

lindsey lohan is a p good actress tho

I think it's fortunate that Lost in Translation came out 7 years ago, because I think it took about three years for me to get over my loathing and annoyance with that movie, now I'm on to the acceptance stage where I just shrug and roll my eyes.

hate the hell out of lost in translation

stop posting about movies

― pro bono publico (history mayne), Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:13 PM (21 seconds ago)

Stop posting

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also, i don't have a prob with scarlett johansson.. uh you do realize women also watch movies and thus half the population probably doesn't like a certain movie only because they have a crush on the actress or appreciate that she has big boobs.

so what you're trying to say is women can have bad taste in movies too?

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tim ernst's gaijin cartoon books adapted to film, featuring two vapid, xenophobic, ugly americans. "japan is a wacky country! they reverse their Rs and Ls! haha engrish!" if this was set in let's say New York, the characters would stand out as even more unlikable, but as is, the setting steals the show, diverting the attention wisely away from the characters and plot. sofia provides visuals and her soft camera tone carries over seamlessly from the 70s suburban michigan of her last film which is impressive, but there is a real lack of depth here, these losers aren't very lovable or redeemable. kevin shields's new songs are pretty good, especially the one early in the film (the 2nd song on the score). i'm gonna get a pirated copy on dvd and see it again, but as is, i was pretty disappointed.

― gygax! (r.i.p.)

I'm not really sure how I feel about it. On the one hand, yeah, it's a beautiful movie to look at (we saw it because Nancy is going to Tokyo this winter and didn't really need an excuse to drool over the landscape for two hours), but also yeah, it's a deeply shallow movie. It seemed to suck any of Scarlett J's actual life right out of her (check out her interview in Mass Appeal from a few months back if any of you are still harboring more of a crush on Thora Birch), and just replaced it with this blanked out gauziness, the uber-Trust Fund Hipster. You don't feel sorry for her treatment at the hands of her husband because he's just so fucking awful to begin with; you want to shake and say "what the fuck are you doing here in the first place??" (Yes, I guess the subtext is that their marriage is slowly falling apart - "I don't know who he is anymore" - but why the fuck would she end up with such a awful "arty" hipster schlub in the first place. And why should we care when she's such a tabula rasa! If I wanted to watch something that focused at least 50% of the time on viewing the vacuous, shallow lives of twentysomething BFA's desperately trying to enter into show biz at a distance well...I could have never left NYC.) The laughs are few and far between and usually, like gygax sez, at the expense of those wacky foreigners and their keeerazy habits. Bill Murray's character is the character he played in Rushmore stripped of any remaining will to live (and personality.) He is rapidly approaching a kind of apothesis of "the sad clown"; soon his face is going to be frozen in that kind of winsome grin with the saggy eyes. Still, with my fragile emotional state these days (and the fact that I AM Bill Murray), it was hard not to feel a little twinge at the end. More tellingly, however, I didn't even remember I saw it when I first opened this thread.

― dubplatestyle

I think I liked it. I'm still not sure - or I'm not sure if I hated it, at least. Bits of it were genuinely nice or effective, but I found myself noting that I might normally be turned off by the blinkered tone if it weren't so... innocuous. I dunno. There's something almost vaguely charming about how self-obsessed the movie is, like a really long and very nearly interesting blog entry. Coppola certainly isn't unskilled, but the movie almost seems like uh, a love-letter to *herself*. And the fact that I can identify strongly with some of her aesthetic probably make it easy for me to give the movie some slack.

I guess my problem is that it felt a little too Roman Coppola at times. (I still think the movie is ace though, mostly for the bizarre realization that came to me during it, which is that Bill Murray suddenly reminds me a LOT of Takeshi Kitano..)

― Adrian Langston

I thought it was very sweet and charming and amusing (the joke is on Bill Murray more than the good people of Tokyo really although it's a shame the joke was so laboured so often), just as Bill and Scarlet's characters were. I am quite mystified by the opening shot but enjoyed it despite thinking it was gratuitous and pointless. It (and the numerous shots of gorgeous SJ pottering around in her pants) reminded me of countless French films I've never seen. Really I was so taken with SJ and Bill that any problems the film has pale into insignifance. It certainly made me want to visit Japan (the Fujiyama and Neon Tokyo shots were awesome as i guess they could only be) which must be a good thing. Very cute but not Amelie-twee. I sensed a biographical element for Sofia (with Gio as Spike obv.) which is fair enough. I think Bill Murray is better in this than in Rushmore but of course he was only a supporting character in that and has more to do here (doing sod all mainly). Cinema and audience helped, nice relaxed mood and lots of laughter (fax machine, blinds, walking machine etc.)

― stevem[/i]

lost in translation

#16

Lost In Translation
Sofia Coppola
2003
United States
(597.5 points, 28 votes)

There are some Todd Solondz movies that are more accurate Ghost World adaptations than Ghost World. (like the one with the clowes-illustrated poster for it)

lolll

ha

lol TIMING

oh hahaha no way foreshadowing

I hated LiT when it came. First ILX film thread I remember, aside from Kill Bill.

Ghost World is pretty easily the best movie of all the movies revealed today so far.

i mean what the hell, i really did think 'ghost world' was interesting & sort of realistic in portraying these two teenage girls messed up friendship, um, i took it as not only being created based on whether or not guys were into one/both of the actresses

uh you do realize women also watch movies and thus half the population probably doesn't like a certain movie only because they have a crush on the actress or appreciate that she has big boobs.

LiT was made by a woman, and it starts with a closeup of Johansson's ass... ;) I get your point though, but I've never heard a woman give any praise for her, except maybe for her looks.

lunchtime + meeting for me, back with 11-15 later this afternoon.

re LiT: fuck you guys btw

sooooo trolly to leave us w/ LoT

Nothing offensive about Lost in Translation except ScarJo's flat butt in the opening shot.

hahahaha oh MAN

er LiT

xp

i go off to re-read the original ile LiT thread and...

everyone is welcome to have bad taste in movies! this thread is proof of that, i don't particularly mind, but i do think maybe i ought to speak up & say there is another perspective in the audience that isn't men ogling actresses.. find it annoying when it's suggested that's the only reason anyone might sort of like a movie, is all.

gygax totally OTM about LIT who's voting for this crap

I think SJo's been great in lots of stuff fwiw

i think maybe the first arrival that i honestly cant even wrap my head around the appeal of. like i dont think people are just wrong about it, i cant even comprehend how they got to the point of being wrong.

i like lit alright - totally get why people wold h8 it - dont really get why anyone would love it

that has to be the longest post canks ever wrote

but I've never heard a woman give any praise for her, except maybe for her looks.

my wife likes her!

ice-y otm re:LiT

have no real like/dislike of scarlett johannsson, i haven't seen anything she's been in, aside from 'ghost world'

Coppola's camera is only marginally more expressive and eloquent than her writing, and that's why the movie feels malnourished.

daria's right. i do think scarlett johansson is a terrible actor, but LiT is pretty much the perfect role for her. it delayed my realization of what a terrible actor she is.

I DONT EVEN KNOW WHO HE IS ANYMORE

i mean what the hell, i really did think 'ghost world' was interesting & sort of realistic in portraying these two teenage girls messed up friendship, um, i took it as not only being created based on whether or not guys were into one/both of the actresses

I was talking about Scarlett Johansson's career in general, not about Ghost World. She was still kinda unknown when GW came out. And sure GW was interesting because of those things, but a better actor than Johansson might've made it even more interesting. She's been in some good films, but I can't think of any film that was good because of her.

everyone is welcome to have bad taste in movies! this thread is proof of that, i don't particularly mind, but i do think maybe i ought to speak up & say there is another perspective in the audience that isn't men ogling actresses.. find it annoying when it's suggested that's the only reason anyone might sort of like a movie, is all.

yeah but let's be honest 96 ilx votes, how many were from women? 25?

i guess it has some of that old waspy saddo privilege porn except transported to LOL WACKY JAPAN!

re LiT: fuck you guys btw

― SMALL BONES, SMALL BODIES (jjjusten)

I agree, but you're too understated. Loathe this movie with all my being. Well, at least the first 40 minutes before I left.

yeah but let's be honest 96 ilx votes, how many were from women? 25?

but wait, like 40 are from gay guys, so I dunno

find it annoying when it's suggested that's the only reason anyone might sort of like a movie, is all.

I didn't say it was the only reason anyone likes a movie, only that it seems to be the main reason people love Johansson.

oh my god i just saw the cankles bill murray/takeshi kitano connection for maybe the first time ever and finally i think we have a vehicle for 21st-century sad-eyed bill

I'll cop to voting for LiT, and I liked it at the time, but I sincerely don't think I've seen it since it first came out, so I have no idea of what my opinion would be now. I think my ballot would've been all kinds of different if I'd actually watched all of the movies that I considered nominating immediately before casting my ballot.