The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

I thought Art School Confidential was funny - but primarily because I know so many people that went to art school, and I've seen a lot of art school exhibitions - but then I didn't vote for Ghost World or Bad Santa. I don't want to fuck Thora Birch either.

Results are bumming me out today.

Ghost World is good, but as unfair as this sounds, it's impossible for me to like it as much as the comic, mostly because of the changes it made to the story. I really don't think the Steve Buscemi character was a necessary addition, and the time devoted to him took away from the relationship between Enid and Rebecca (Rebecca was much blander in the movie), which was always the most interesting part of the comic.

really wish zwigoff and clowes had adapted "ugly girls" over "art school confidential"

Hahaha!

Also, Art School Confidential the movie kinda suffered from the fact that the best bits of the original comic were already used in Ghost World.

Guess I should check this out, the poster kind of put me off.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.asylum.com/media/2009/12/ghost-world-poster-ghost-world-2854137-781-1161.jpg

I'm holding out for a Pixar version of "Like a Velvet Glove Cast in Iron".

most of clowes best stuff would become indefensible indie film cliches if transposed to celluoid tbh

can't imagine the maudlin-fest if someone got their hands on "caricature" or the juno quirk-ifying that would befall david boring

ghost world is so... mediocre. and art school confidential is so horrible. it's amazing how perfect bad santa is.

Ghost World is good, but as unfair as this sounds, it's impossible for me to like it as much as the comic, mostly because of the changes it made to the story. I really don't think the Steve Buscemi character was a necessary addition, and the time devoted to him took away from the relationship between Enid and Rebecca (Rebecca was much blander in the movie), which was always the most interesting part of the comic.

― Tuomas, Wednesday, February 10, 2010 2:54 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

i feel pretty much the same. the relationship b/w the two girls was really stripped down in a bad way. and visually it was so unambitious.

I have love for ghost world, but art school confidential is indeed totally wretched.

Totally meh film, but I still say "you guys up for some reggae tonight?"

lol ghost world

rock and roll baby!! freedom of speech!!

didn't vote for it but 'ghost world' was alright, i also figured it had to be a 90s film. enid def reminded me of one of my high school 'friends,' also i suppose i kind of dressed like that from about 94 to 97

The original comic came out in the 90s, maybe that's why.

I think I still make Blueshammer jokes every few years.

reggae and Blueshammer are worthwhile legacies imo

yeah I totally forgot Memento and Ghost World came out in the 00s lolz.

Ghost World is okay but Thora Birch's character is such a loathsome bitch

yeah the problem with the film is that rebecca was so bland that you couldn't figure out why enid would be so heartbroken about the deterioration of their relationship. they seemed more like co-conspirators in the first half of the comic that came slowly out of sync.

admittedly this may be more the fault of scarjo than the script.

lol the fucking INCREDIBLES? jesus christ ilx you crypto-randian fucks.

Shakey, I think it's intentional that Enid is unlikable.

like she seemed bored with their antics before the movie even began.

finally, a discussion about whether the incredibles is randian

tuomas is right, shakey

Has Scarlett Johansson ever been good in any movie? Do people like her only because she does indie flicks and has big boobs?

I don't think the indie flicks part even matters

man i cant wait for the mass pants-shitting when lost in translation shows up.

scarlett johansson is a worse actress than lindsay lohan. there, i feel better for having said it.

I don't think the indie flicks part even matters

― iatee, Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:07 PM (7 seconds ago)

I think it does, because she's clearly wank fodder for "cool" people who don't want to drool over the movies of Pamela Anderson.

man i cant wait for the mass pants-shitting when lost in translation shows up.

Was just thinking that. (I just drew up a list of what I imagine the top 16 will be -- I'll be surprised if one of them doesn't make it.)

man i cant wait for the mass pants-shitting when lost in translation shows up.

― strongohulkingtonsghost, Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:08 PM (22 seconds ago)

i think you and i were the only ones who hated it at the time it was released.

show us yr list man xp

watched it again recently and hated it even more. the loss of all those sweeping screen-sized shots of tokyo just makes you realize how empty it is even faster.

its a movie abt stuff being empty tho rite

i think you and i were the only ones who hated it at the time it was released.

I thought LiT was watchable but nt particularly original. Like Jim Jarmusch lite. I remember having big arguments about it with my friends though, who all seemed to inexplicably love it.

enid is so awful that she hangs on to whoever actually puts up with her basically

also, i don't have a prob with scarlett johansson.. uh you do realize women also watch movies and thus half the population probably doesn't like a certain movie only because they have a crush on the actress or appreciate that she has big boobs.

Caché placing above superbad makes me believe in justice - a totally trivial form of justice that applies to nothing significant and meaningful - but justice nonetheless. Yay ILX.

― sarahel, Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:53 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

stop posting about movies

scarlett johansson is a worse actress than lindsay lohan. there, i feel better for having said it.

lindsey lohan is a p good actress tho

I think it's fortunate that Lost in Translation came out 7 years ago, because I think it took about three years for me to get over my loathing and annoyance with that movie, now I'm on to the acceptance stage where I just shrug and roll my eyes.

hate the hell out of lost in translation

stop posting about movies

― pro bono publico (history mayne), Wednesday, February 10, 2010 12:13 PM (21 seconds ago)

Stop posting

sto

also, i don't have a prob with scarlett johansson.. uh you do realize women also watch movies and thus half the population probably doesn't like a certain movie only because they have a crush on the actress or appreciate that she has big boobs.

so what you're trying to say is women can have bad taste in movies too?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/lostintranslation-1.jpg

tim ernst's gaijin cartoon books adapted to film, featuring two vapid, xenophobic, ugly americans. "japan is a wacky country! they reverse their Rs and Ls! haha engrish!" if this was set in let's say New York, the characters would stand out as even more unlikable, but as is, the setting steals the show, diverting the attention wisely away from the characters and plot. sofia provides visuals and her soft camera tone carries over seamlessly from the 70s suburban michigan of her last film which is impressive, but there is a real lack of depth here, these losers aren't very lovable or redeemable. kevin shields's new songs are pretty good, especially the one early in the film (the 2nd song on the score). i'm gonna get a pirated copy on dvd and see it again, but as is, i was pretty disappointed.

― gygax! (r.i.p.)

I'm not really sure how I feel about it. On the one hand, yeah, it's a beautiful movie to look at (we saw it because Nancy is going to Tokyo this winter and didn't really need an excuse to drool over the landscape for two hours), but also yeah, it's a deeply shallow movie. It seemed to suck any of Scarlett J's actual life right out of her (check out her interview in Mass Appeal from a few months back if any of you are still harboring more of a crush on Thora Birch), and just replaced it with this blanked out gauziness, the uber-Trust Fund Hipster. You don't feel sorry for her treatment at the hands of her husband because he's just so fucking awful to begin with; you want to shake and say "what the fuck are you doing here in the first place??" (Yes, I guess the subtext is that their marriage is slowly falling apart - "I don't know who he is anymore" - but why the fuck would she end up with such a awful "arty" hipster schlub in the first place. And why should we care when she's such a tabula rasa! If I wanted to watch something that focused at least 50% of the time on viewing the vacuous, shallow lives of twentysomething BFA's desperately trying to enter into show biz at a distance well...I could have never left NYC.) The laughs are few and far between and usually, like gygax sez, at the expense of those wacky foreigners and their keeerazy habits. Bill Murray's character is the character he played in Rushmore stripped of any remaining will to live (and personality.) He is rapidly approaching a kind of apothesis of "the sad clown"; soon his face is going to be frozen in that kind of winsome grin with the saggy eyes. Still, with my fragile emotional state these days (and the fact that I AM Bill Murray), it was hard not to feel a little twinge at the end. More tellingly, however, I didn't even remember I saw it when I first opened this thread.

― dubplatestyle

I think I liked it. I'm still not sure - or I'm not sure if I hated it, at least. Bits of it were genuinely nice or effective, but I found myself noting that I might normally be turned off by the blinkered tone if it weren't so... innocuous. I dunno. There's something almost vaguely charming about how self-obsessed the movie is, like a really long and very nearly interesting blog entry. Coppola certainly isn't unskilled, but the movie almost seems like uh, a love-letter to *herself*. And the fact that I can identify strongly with some of her aesthetic probably make it easy for me to give the movie some slack.

I guess my problem is that it felt a little too Roman Coppola at times. (I still think the movie is ace though, mostly for the bizarre realization that came to me during it, which is that Bill Murray suddenly reminds me a LOT of Takeshi Kitano..)

― Adrian Langston

I thought it was very sweet and charming and amusing (the joke is on Bill Murray more than the good people of Tokyo really although it's a shame the joke was so laboured so often), just as Bill and Scarlet's characters were. I am quite mystified by the opening shot but enjoyed it despite thinking it was gratuitous and pointless. It (and the numerous shots of gorgeous SJ pottering around in her pants) reminded me of countless French films I've never seen. Really I was so taken with SJ and Bill that any problems the film has pale into insignifance. It certainly made me want to visit Japan (the Fujiyama and Neon Tokyo shots were awesome as i guess they could only be) which must be a good thing. Very cute but not Amelie-twee. I sensed a biographical element for Sofia (with Gio as Spike obv.) which is fair enough. I think Bill Murray is better in this than in Rushmore but of course he was only a supporting character in that and has more to do here (doing sod all mainly). Cinema and audience helped, nice relaxed mood and lots of laughter (fax machine, blinds, walking machine etc.)

― stevem[/i]

lost in translation

#16

Lost In Translation
Sofia Coppola
2003
United States
(597.5 points, 28 votes)

There are some Todd Solondz movies that are more accurate Ghost World adaptations than Ghost World. (like the one with the clowes-illustrated poster for it)

lolll

ha