The (Now-Overrated) ILX Top 100 Films of the 2000s Poll Results

i think memento is pretty excellent but i didn't vote for it, mostly because i think it's kind of excellent as nothing more than a genre exercise and not much else. i mean, there's nothing wrong with that and it's just really well-executed but it's not top 40 material for me.

i had hopes for devil and daniel johnston as well. so sad.

sin nombre was a doc??
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Speaking of documentaries, am I the only one who voted for Some Kind of Monster?

memento placement can be explained by a third of voters giving it middle of the pack status

Sin Nombre isn't a doc.

I voted for "Dark Days", "Deep Blue", "Bodysong" (if you can call that one a documentary), and "Profit & Nothing But! Or Impolite Thoughts on the Class Struggle".

(Yeah, I know the last one is very much in character, but it's a good documentary, seriously!)

iow shameful

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h8 documentaries

Profit & Nothing But! Or Impolite Thoughts on the Class Struggle" - I haven't even heard of this! Tell me more!

jackass is not a doc.

I'm in the memento = mediocrity camp tho

hate old movies love new movies

I do agree Memento's appeal is tilted REALLY heavily to its lone narrative trick - but its also the kind of movie that when I saw it, I knew I was gonna follow this director and he was going to do big/interesting stuff. Similar to seeing Peter Jackson's Dead Alive or Heavenly Creatures, its like one of those things where you can tell the director is making a gamble for name recognition, that he was throwing everything he had into this fairly novel concept. I think it works great.

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"I knew I was gonna follow this director and he was going to do big/interesting stuff"

I knew this was going to be the last movie of his that I liked.

go easy on the lists of what we voted for that haven't placed yet

xp shakey: on the other hand - I felt the same way with Soderbergh after seeing Schizopolis, and then ...

No, I voted for Some Kind of Monster, too. And I gave 40 pts. to Daniel Johnston. Also, voted for Spellbound, DiG!, King of Kong, and The Wild Parrots of Telegraph Hill (although I knew that one didn't stand a chance in hell).
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Profit & Nothing But! Or Impolite Thoughts on the Class Struggle" - I haven't even heard of this! Tell me more!

It's an anti-globalization/neoliberalism documentary made by a Haitian filmmaker. Very polemic and strongly left-wing, but done with skill nevertheless.

Wild Parrots is a great movie!

after Schizopolis he made Out of Sight u klutz

i can still remember going w/ my friend to the one shitty theater that was anywhere near me that was playing 'memento' in waterbury, ct & knowing little to nothing abt it other than part of it went backwards or some shit...such innocent times imo

would vote in a documentaries showdown of all time btw

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/ghostworld.jpg

i saw it. it was really great. thora birch is a cute one.steve bucemi as a record club ner that only listens to 30s jazz was heart warming and i wanted to fuck thora birch through the whole thing.

― chaki

Yes, it is very good. I mean, I actually cared about the characters (well, Enid and Seymour). I'm very glad as well that it was made now rather than when Eightball and the like were at their peak -- what would have been another "slacker" film ended up being something much sweeter and more touching coming on the heels of the post-irony, pro-prosperity late 1990s. Or something like that.

Oh, the studio's first chioce for Enid was...wait for it...Jennifer Love Hewitt.

― scott p.

It's really good. And odd. The pacing and editing is all slightly... off. At first I wasn't sure if this was intentional, but it must be because the pacing and timing is SO consistent. The punchlines come a beat too late. Or not at all. Or at the beginning of the joke instead of the end. Quiet awkward moments. Small details and glances; you wonder why the film's pointing them out? And as you roll along the weight of those details really comes home. I think many ppl on this board will appreciate the attitude about art, what is it, what's worth noticing.

― Tracer Hand

I liked it the first time I saw it. Then I watched it with my mom. She kept saying, "You've already seen this before??? And you wanted to see it AGAIN??" She didn't get any of the humour either. She kept saying Thora's character was bitter and mean. I think the whole thing made me like the movie even more.

I didn't like the ending either, except that it added a level of fantasy to the movie which made it more fairytale-ish (or comic book-ish).

I felt like the movie was mostly about how people change/ finding your own identity. Thora's character grows apart from her first best friend and it's a rather painful thing to have to go through. I could definitely relate to that. I had a best friend in high school who always talked about us moving in together upon graduation. But in the end we wanted different things and she wasn't able to discuss logistics at all to make it a reality.

― Sarah McLusky

Has anyone seen Ghost World yet?

#17

Ghost World
Terry Zwigoff
2001
United States
(554 points, 21 votes)

sigh.

ghost world is p. great

Bleah.

though i have to say i watched it again last year for the first time since it came out and it held up WAY better than i expected.

definitely feels more like a hangover from the '90s than a '00s film, tho

idk, im ok w/memento on here (cant remember if i voted for it, prob not). its a pretty well crafted little exercise, and the performances were really good imo (esp the little mustachio dude i can never remember the name of but always love when i see him).

"funk-ay"

was hoping this would show up. so much better that Bad Santa imo

yea i def had 2 check release date 4 ghost world & memento 2 double check

chaki prob summing up ilx appeal there: record club nerd + wanting to fuck thora birch

after Schizopolis he made Out of Sight u klutz

― zvookster, Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:48 AM (2 minutes ago)

I was thinking of the Ocean's movies, you CHUD

just want to take this time to remind everyone* that Art School Confidential is one of the worst movies in the history of cinema.

*everyone = Bad Santa & Ghost World voters

Thora Birch so much better in Pregnancy Pact.

chaki prob summing up ilx appeal there: record club nerd + wanting to fuck thora birch

otm, I'm not sure what else this movie had going for it

i didn't mind Ghost World, but #17?

Shasta i voted both GW & BS & ttly agree

I thought Art School Confidential was funny - but primarily because I know so many people that went to art school, and I've seen a lot of art school exhibitions - but then I didn't vote for Ghost World or Bad Santa. I don't want to fuck Thora Birch either.

Results are bumming me out today.

Ghost World is good, but as unfair as this sounds, it's impossible for me to like it as much as the comic, mostly because of the changes it made to the story. I really don't think the Steve Buscemi character was a necessary addition, and the time devoted to him took away from the relationship between Enid and Rebecca (Rebecca was much blander in the movie), which was always the most interesting part of the comic.

really wish zwigoff and clowes had adapted "ugly girls" over "art school confidential"

Hahaha!

Also, Art School Confidential the movie kinda suffered from the fact that the best bits of the original comic were already used in Ghost World.

Guess I should check this out, the poster kind of put me off.
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.asylum.com/media/2009/12/ghost-world-poster-ghost-world-2854137-781-1161.jpg

I'm holding out for a Pixar version of "Like a Velvet Glove Cast in Iron".

most of clowes best stuff would become indefensible indie film cliches if transposed to celluoid tbh

can't imagine the maudlin-fest if someone got their hands on "caricature" or the juno quirk-ifying that would befall david boring