The long overdue _Blade Runner

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how can you say "two seconds of bladerunner shits all over" forrest gump? is "feel-bad shtick" any better than "feel-good shtick".

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 06:59 (twenty years ago)

as a friend outlined for me so succinctly re: forrest gump

1. romanticizing stupidity
2. trivializing history
3. too much bullshit

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 17 April 2006 06:59 (twenty years ago)

sounds like ilx

― gear (gear), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:00 (twenty years ago)

;-)

― gear (gear), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:00 (twenty years ago)

yeah and 1 + 3 are certainly applicable to bladerunner.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:00 (twenty years ago)

#2 is not really a bad thing is it? i mean, it's good when certain people do it but bad when spielberg does it?

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:01 (twenty years ago)

like you could say #1 + #2 about "bridge on the river kwai" but that doesn't make it a bad movie.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:02 (twenty years ago)

how can you say "two seconds of bladerunner shits all over" forrest gump? is "feel-bad shtick" any better than "feel-good shtick".

-- vahid (vfoz...)

dude, blade runner isn't "feel bad schtick"! that would be Alien 3 or Seven or anything Fincher's done.

I think you're seeing the movie through its importance to you as an adolescent and not how it actually is.

― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:03 (twenty years ago)

how it actually is = rather adolescent, like everything else attached to philip k dick

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:03 (twenty years ago)

sure, but thats 99.999999999999999999% of all science fiction!

― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:04 (twenty years ago)

anyway i am hardly the first person on this thread to frame their feelings re: bladerunner in terms of their adolescent feelings toward it!

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:04 (twenty years ago)

xpost i gotta disagree with that.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:05 (twenty years ago)

and i thought you were a fellow Lovecraft aficianado...like that ain't adolescent!

― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:05 (twenty years ago)

i'm cool with spielberg, just not his 1977 new age crapfest of a movie.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:06 (twenty years ago)

god i hate film threads. always people with different opinions showing up.

― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:07 (twenty years ago)

:-D

― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:07 (twenty years ago)

Vahid does not speak a language that I even remotely understand. Seriously, it's just a pile of crap.

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:07 (twenty years ago)

which pile of crap are you referring to?

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:09 (twenty years ago)

i like vahid just fine, i just can't agree with him at all on this one!

― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:09 (twenty years ago)

i feel like an infocom parser.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:10 (twenty years ago)

lovecraft is childish, you're right. my feelings toward blade runner are about the same as my feelings toward lovecraft. it's pretty, i appreciate it for the atmosphere, but it doesn't really live and breathe, there's not enough space in it, every single fucking thing is there to make a point and i get tired of that after a while.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:10 (twenty years ago)

that's sort of also my problem with "starship troopers", i guess.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:11 (twenty years ago)

i quite liked minority report.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:12 (twenty years ago)

there's not really a moment in blade runner that's like when the NASA dude runs to the bathroom when the UFOs are landing, he practically falls on his face because he can't look away but he's gotta take a shit. or all of the "dudes in a cabin" humor and tension from "the thing", or just the little snippets of sleazy city living from "videodrome" (1000x more dystopic and prescient than bladerunner) or all the random CGI asides from "tron". that's what blade runner's missing.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:13 (twenty years ago)

and i guess when i say "adolescent" i don't really mean childish, because i can't really shit on "childish wonder", there's nothing wrong with that. more like "teenage goth coffeshop pseudo-intellectual BIG IDEAS HERE PEOPLE" sort of adolescent thinking behind bladerunner.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:15 (twenty years ago)

my feelings toward blade runner are about the same as my feelings toward lovecraft. it's pretty, i appreciate it for the atmosphere, but it doesn't really live and breathe, there's not enough space in it, every single fucking thing is there to make a point and i get tired of that after a while.

I kind of agree and ALL OF SCIENCE FICTION MOVIEMAKING TO THREAD EXCEPT FOR BLADERUNNER BECAUSE IT'S REALLY GREAT AND BRILLIANT.

See, you're trying to apply the rule to the exception. No sir.

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:16 (twenty years ago)

"teenage goth coffeshop pseudo-intellectual BIG IDEAS HERE PEOPLE" sort of adolescent thinking behind bladerunner.

-- vahid (vfoz...)

haha i think you're talking about the Matrix, not Blade Runner.

"everything is there to make a point"

i dont really think so, plotwise the film isn't as that concious of its intent, in fact it's rather all over the place (in that sense it is kind of shallow). reading the making of book shows you how much was come up with at the last minute or improvised by the actors. the main thing the movie is fully concious of is the look, the music, the atmosphere, the mise-en-scene. sure its pretentious, but it's beautiful.

― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:17 (twenty years ago)

IT'S TOO BAD SHE WON'T LIVE. BUT THEN AGAIN, WHO DOES?

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:19 (twenty years ago)

more like "teenage goth coffeshop pseudo-intellectual BIG IDEAS HERE PEOPLE" sort of adolescent thinking behind bladerunner.

I will not accept shitting on ideas just because they're ideas. It's just anti-intellectualism in its purest form. You can throw a lot of stupid stereotypical labels as anything, but that doesn't make it a valid or smart thing to do.

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:20 (twenty years ago)

x-post

yeah, exactly! its all kind of nonsensical but it sounds profound! in the best possible way.

― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:22 (twenty years ago)

yeah the soundtrack is obviously immortal and awesome. the look and atmosphere is good. i guess the big thing about my list upthread is that there's 21 movies (sorry gear, i draw the line at ST) where i actually gave a shit what happened to the characters. i had a lot of trouble feeling concerned for anybody in blade runner because, well, stuff gets in the way. here's where MY film buff language breaks down, i just never really understood where i'm supposed to go from thinking roy was creepy to sympathy for roy, except there was a beautifully shot scene of roy releasing birds into sunlight with nice vangelis music. and i still didn't give a shit about deckard and his girlfriend (except for wincing when he got beat up and thinking it would be creepy to find origami on the porch).

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:23 (twenty years ago)

hey, kenan, if you're not paying attention here, i'm actually giving reasons why i don't like the movie and examples of what i think are "spaces" in the other movies and why i have problems with the ideas in blade runner. i think they're shallow ideas, dude! shallower than forrest gump, even!

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:25 (twenty years ago)

and anyway forrest gump's message isn't particularly shallow, it's just wrapped in a saccharine coating that makes it hard to swallow.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:25 (twenty years ago)

hmmm ... i wonder if we had a t/s: ET vs bladerunner which would win??

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:27 (twenty years ago)

When did "caring" become the ultimate movie virtue? Yuck.

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:27 (twenty years ago)

you don't like "caring"? maybe that's why people think you're a creep?

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:29 (twenty years ago)

anyway, one more cheap crack before i go to bed: no electric sheep, no credibility.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:29 (twenty years ago)

xxxxxx-post

that actually is the weakest part of the film: the characters are mostly undersketched and the love story is somewhat forced and unconvincing. i think the replicants and the JR Sebastian character are the most 'human' and sympasthetic elements in the film. i think Roy is kinda supposed to be a creepy/ambiguous character while the other replicants are more childlike and innocent. (even Brion James as Leon is more like an angry toddler in a man's body than anything else)

― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:30 (twenty years ago)

and anyway forrest gump's message isn't particularly shallow, it's just wrapped in a saccharine coating that makes it hard to swallow.

No, it's all shallow, to the core. What... being dumb is good? Stumbling cluelessly through life is a great and noble thing to do? Explain to me how this message is not particularly shallow.

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:31 (twenty years ago)

xpost

see, kenan, even noted misanthrope philip k dick cared about caring. enough to work the theme into the title of the book!

idiot.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:31 (twenty years ago)

gump's message isn't shallow, it's just poisonously wrong. schmaltz by itself isn't a crime, it depends on what medicine you're cramming down people's throats with it.

― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:31 (twenty years ago)

"the personal is political".

idiot.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:31 (twenty years ago)

hmmm ... i wonder if we had a t/s: ET vs bladerunner which would win??

-- vahid (vfoz...), April 17th, 2006.

well, Blade Runner. but i love grand, impersonal sci-fi visions.

i like ET a lot though, it's the best kind of "saccharine", because it earns the tears and it comes from a genuine emotional place and understanding of being a kid.

― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:33 (twenty years ago)

you don't like "caring"? maybe that's why people think you're a creep?

People think I'm a creep because I'm socially inept, not because I'm stupid.

― Gilbert O'Sullivan (kenan), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:33 (twenty years ago)

well, i try to avoid both.

yeah, latebloomer, see where i'm coming from, we get to see the man-child get shot but we don't get to see deckard crying over his dead electric sheep? weak priorities, dude.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:34 (twenty years ago)

eh, sorry i called you a creep. that was uncalled for. you're a champ.

― vahid (vahid), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:38 (twenty years ago)

i understand where you're coming from: the sheep ommission is kind of regrettable. but Blade Runner for me is seperate from the book. it's really a different entity and focuses on different aspects of the same subject matter. it turned into something else along the way.

― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:38 (twenty years ago)

lol at Gilbert O'Sullivan 3000000 times as ever

did spielberg have anything to do w/ gump?

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 17 April 2006 07:40 (twenty years ago)

nothing, i believe, other then being a close associate of zemeckis.

― latebloomer's jazz oddysey brought to you by kellog's corn flakes (latebloomer), Monday, 17 April 2006 08:02 (twenty years ago)

"Sushi. That's what my ex-wife called me; cold fish"
"Ex-cop, ex-Blade Runner... ex-killer"

I really want to watch this now but I don't own it. Like a fool I'm forever waiting for the never-come 2/3 disc spesh edish. But even then I'd miss the voiceover.

"Gaff had been there and let her live. Fours years he figured; he was wrong. I don't know how long we'll have together - who does?"
*Music swells*

― David Orton (scarlet), Monday, 17 April 2006 10:13 (twenty years ago)

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