One day, bitches: the future of the Los Angeles Metro

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it's never been about TS: Casper vs. Boyd for me, as MacPherson was hands down better than both

Oh yeah, she's great.

You can't really deny that most of the city's historic, architectural and cultural landmarks and institutions (LACMA @ Stanley/Fairfax is close enough to count) are on this side. Why avoid it?

Isn't that just a fancy way of saying the East side is better? The fact is most people don't often venture beyond their little neighborhood. Most people only come to the west side on a Saturday or Sunday during 3 months out of the year to go to the beach. Other than that, people might come out to go to the Getty or something. How is that much different from westsiders only venturing out occassionally to visit the MOCA or LACMA?

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

I have plenty of civic pride for this place! Wherever you people live in it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

I want to come back for Basement Jaxx and Basquiat.

Until I saw the prices for Rose Bowl tickets...who got da hook up?

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:23 (twenty years ago)

or HOLLYWOOD BOWL or whatever.

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

Vik, we're homies, but I have to say you're talking quite a bit out of your ass on this thread!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

i am really surprised mark hasn't posted here yet.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:42 (twenty years ago)

HOOK ME UP, DEAN'S CELEBRITY FRIENDS

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

It's finals week at UCI, Jaymc! Unless he's finished all his papers or whatever he has other things on his mind. (I gather your mom is visiting out here on Friday.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

Come back to Cali, Jaymc! Correct your burrito mistake!

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

Contort yourself!

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:48 (twenty years ago)

He posted on the Chicago thread this morning!

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

YOUR MOM

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

He posted on the Chicago thread this morning!

Hurrah! He is free! Perhaps.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:52 (twenty years ago)

STAY AWAY FROM MY MOM, NED.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

Who are you, Oedipus?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

the place does look very beautiful and if the weather was hot, who wouldn't strip down?

-- Ned Raggett (ne...), June 15th, 2005.

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

http://www.usc.edu/dept/geography/losangeles/lawalk/new/rich2.gif Yes! The Richfield Building!

― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)

http://www.edhat.com/assets/images/haig180W.jpg http://www.edhat.com/assets/images/legolas200.jpg

― Remy (x Jeremy), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 16:59 (twenty years ago)

what exactly am I saying that's so strange Spencer - are you getting irked since you're a westsider? I'm cutting and pasting the encyclopedia for fuck's sake and it's a known fact that westside residents have voted against the metro for a decade

― Vichitravirya XI, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 18:01 (twenty years ago)

Vik, you're making a lot of odd claims and taking random quotes you've heard as fact. You're also calling me a west sider, saying fairfax is West Hollywood, not understanding why there's no metro, saying LA has no civic pride, etc etc etc - all of which are debatable.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:15 (twenty years ago)

Oh crap, I thought this West Hollywood thing was settled...

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

Roger, I'm just calling out Vik for automatically saying "Fairfax is West Hollywood". It's clearly more complex than that.

Vik, you're also saying some incredibly offensive things about certain groups of Angeleno's. The comments border on hate speech as far as I'm concerned.

Also, the Bounty has survived far worse than Eva Longoria (and has more famous semi-regulars).

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

I think I like the West Side!

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

http://www.todayinliterature.com/assets/illustrations/w/west-site-story-281x281.gif

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

Spencer I don't hate the Westside but I think anyone who decides to vote against the Metro based on NIMBYism does deserve to be hated. And I thought we settled this yesterday...Fairfax Avenue is in West Hollywood, how do you expect me to alter the geography there?! It's silly.

I'm more interested in hearing your (hopefully a bit elaborated) opinion on why there is no Metro, what lack-of-development led to it being this way. It's easy to claim offense, but why don't you add to the discussion and set it right then? I have civic proide but it's not that I have an excess of personal pride in that I won't be corrected - CORRECT ME CHOW! SET ME STR8 (good luck w/ that)

― Vichitravirya XI, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

It's a bit much to pretend like all of the city's transportation problems are the fault of racist westside yuppies. Perhaps if the rest of the city had an amazing network of unclogged roads and efficient public transportation you might have a point.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

You might also have a point if these NIMBY enclaves were right in the middle of town but they're just not. They may block access to the beach but that's about it.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

Vik, If you read any of the discussion on both the Fairfax district and the street itself, you would have seen that MOST of it is not in West Hollywood. Also, "Westside" boundary definitions (and stereotypes) vary. Look at this map:

http://www.visitwesthollywood.com/whpress/images/map.gif

The black line is The City of West Hollywood. The classic definition of the Fairfax district is not within the city boundary at all. Also, Fairfax continues for many miles south going through many different neighborhoods.

It seems like you're reading the most hysterical accounts of why people vote for what and taking it at face value, or you're making sweeping generalizations based on hackneyed assumptions about a person would or wouldn't want something in their neighborhood. Even if it is a NIMBY attitude, I find it difficult to blame a person for being self-centered at a highly local level (and I don't even necessarily believe that is what's going on regarding potential Metro extensions).

I think it's fine to discuss this and I'm really happy you brought it up, but I also think that you're jumping to extreme conclusions (perhaps in jest?).

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

Oooh, I have a question!!! What neighborhood is the Troubador in? My friends and I would always debate this.

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:30 (twenty years ago)

Also, please note that wikipedia articles are often *wrong* and or incomplete. To describe Fairfax between Olympic and Pico as "West Side" is wrong to me. My neighborhood is debatable, there is no official dividing line and there is certainly no way to walk across any particular street in LA and start making sweeping and offensive generalizations about the people who live there.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

I wish I knew about LA.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

Get one ticket!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

Also Gygax, I believe the Troubador's address is in West Hollywood.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

The Troubador is totaly in West Hollywood.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:32 (twenty years ago)

Yes, the whole "westside" thing is totally ridiculous and arbitrary. When I lived downtown I would have considered Fairfax westside and looked down on it snobbishly. When I lived in West Hollywood, I thought I was pretty centrally located and the "westsiders" were the people over in Brentwood and Westwood. Now that I live near the beach I mellowed out and forgot all about that silliness.

The funny thing is that nobody really talks about the eastside. Fairfax may not be the westside but you definitely don't live in East LA. It's like everybody wants to define themselves into a no-mans land. Or I guess it's just the natural instinct to assume that your neighborhood is the center of town.

Doesn't NY have a similar thing with uptown and downtown where those terms are all relative to where you live?

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

The Troubador is totaly in West Hollywood.
-- walter kranz (kranz_walte...), June 15th, 2005 3:32 PM. (walterkranz)

"totally" meaning if you cross the street you're in one of two other neighborhoods?

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

i mean like check that map that spencer links to upthread, the troubadour is barely on the cusp of the west black line. it could be anywhere!

― gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

gygax, THE LINE MUST BE DRAWN *HERE*!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:44 (twenty years ago)

is the map at the top an actual plan or someone's fevered fantasy?

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

Interesting, their site says "Hollywood" but I'm sure their mailing address is in West Hollywood. Maybe they're making a statement about something..

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:46 (twenty years ago)

Here we go!

Kyle, tell us about your Memorial Day weekend in LA!

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

the reason we dont have a decent subway system is because the auto industry (and auto-related industries) as well as business interests that would be located near the offramps to the freeways lobbied the shit out of the government to subsidize the freeways, thus gutting the old street car system and leaving the other shattered parts to wither on the vine. the reason why LA is so car oriented is because some short sighted corrupt politicians and business interests made it that way. we're still recovering.

― Actor Sizemore fails drug test with fake penis (jingleberries), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

Notice I said "totaly" rather than totally, so of course that means it's only halfway totally in West Hollywood. Seriously though, what else would you call the neighborhood that the Troubadour is in? Sure, it's the last building right on the edge, but I never thought of it as being in Beverly Hills.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:49 (twenty years ago)

xpost ??? Kyle, next time give me a call!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:50 (twenty years ago)

It was nice, the first time I've liked spending time in LA, really. The weather was good and not too hot for one thing. We saw Stereo Total and the Gossip at the knitting factory and my only comment on that is that kids pose a lot more outside of shows than they do here. We bought some art of possible value in Abbot Kinney and then we looked at the war memorial on the beach in Santa Monica. That was about it!

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

also, we were staying way the fuck out in the valley with my cousins who don't drink caffeine and I cursed Canoga Park the morning I found there was no Starbucks in a 20 block radius

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:53 (twenty years ago)

Kyle, what do you mean by "pose"? I usually see kids not knowing what to do with themselves, having smokes, etc. Maybe I'm just so far gone that I don't even comprehend what posing is...

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:54 (twenty years ago)

it was much more of a scene with a lot of kids looking each other up and down. although shows are getting that way here now as well.

oh, also, the knitting factory soundguy was an ass who made all the kids who got onstage to dance get off, and cut the band off, and cussed at everyone.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:57 (twenty years ago)

knitting factory sucks. the people at a Gossip show are not indicative of usual LA concertgoers.

― something about dan aykroyd coming out of burritoville (deangulberry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)

yeah i figured! it was still fun in an "I AM VERY OLD" way

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:58 (twenty years ago)

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